The Democratic Convention is Just Plain Weak So Far

[Jon]

Is over your head apparently ...

No, I actually got your point. I just wanted you to see how stupid it was.

 

[Article 15]

No, I actually got your point. I just wanted you to see how stupid it was.

lol ... what an incredibly weak retort

 

[dilloduck]

Hmmmm, I seemed to hear him talking about:


-Giving American companies better tax breaks

-Cut taxes for 95% of American familes

-Within 10 years end dependence on oil from the Middle East

-Use clean coal technology, harness nuclear and wind solar power

-More early childhood education programs!

-Affordable health care

-Affordable college education

-Lower premiums on health insurance


To name a few......

Is he aware that nuclear power has already been harnessed?

 

[sealybobo]

how does he accomplish this without more of my paycheck going to the government?

He said he would end ineffective programs line by line. what if half those pork projects went away?

do you realize the gop doubled the debt or how amazing that is? get out your checkbook is right.

they spent so much, the federal reserve had to print more, which drove the value down, so your life savings got taxed to hell, basically, right?

and you didn't cry asking where bush got the money to give the rich a tax break, don't worry about it when obama gives 90 percent of us 3 times more than mccain wants to give us.

and don't worry when obama ends the unfair tax break to the rich. they'll still be rich. and they didn't mind getting a tax break we weren't getting, during a time of war?

why are you voting mccain again?

 

[chapstic]

Lets hear how much substance McCain gives. Apparently, this is your first election?

Mccain's plan;

1. Give companies and the rich more tax breaks for sending jobs overseas because most imporant is that corporations max profits. doesn't matter if only 1 percent of america benefits from this because they trickle down. they buy toys, hire illegals to do their lawns and housekeeping for their multiple homes.

2. stay in iraq spending $12k mo till 2015 rather than 2010 because chaney wants more.

mccain will follow orders just like bush did.

that's to bad, i don't support mccain in any way. i'm not voting for mccain, so i don't understand why you are targeting me.

 

[chapstic]

He said he would end ineffective programs line by line. what if half those pork projects went away?

do you realize the gop doubled the debt or how amazing that is? get out your checkbook is right.

they spent so much, the federal reserve had to print more, which drove the value down, so your life savings got taxed to hell, basically, right?

and you didn't cry asking where bush got the money to give the rich a tax break, don't worry about it when obama gives 90 percent of us 3 times more than mccain wants to give us.

and don't worry when obama ends the unfair tax break to the rich. they'll still be rich. and they didn't mind getting a tax break we weren't getting, during a time of war?

why are you voting mccain again?

i never voted for bush, and i'm not voting for mccain. when 0bama moves our capital gains tax to 28% that will affect all of us, including revenue for the government.

 

[Red Dawn]

it was a nice speech. presented well and worded well. unfortunately it had 0 substance. he spoke more about bush and mccain then his own policies.

Change means a tax code that doesn't reward the lobbyists who wrote it, but the American workers and small businesses who deserve it.

Unlike John McCain, I will stop giving tax breaks to corporations that ship jobs overseas, and I will start giving them to companies that create good jobs right here in America..

I will eliminate capital gains taxes for the small businesses and the start-ups that will create the high-wage, high-tech jobs of tomorrow.

I will cut taxes – cut taxes – for 95% of all working families. Because in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle-class.

And for the sake of our economy, our security, and the future of our planet, I will set a clear goal as President: in ten years, we will finally end our dependence on oil from the Middle East.

Washington's been talking about our oil addiction for the last thirty years, and John McCain has been there for twenty-six of them. In that time, he's said no to higher fuel-efficiency standards for cars, no to investments in renewable energy, no to renewable fuels. And today, we import triple the amount of oil as the day that Senator McCain took office.

Now is the time to end this addiction, and to understand that drilling is a stop-gap measure, not a long-term solution. Not even close.

As President, I will tap our natural gas reserves, invest in clean coal technology, and find ways to safely harness nuclear power. I'll help our auto companies re-tool, so that the fuel-efficient cars of the future are built right here in America. I'll make it easier for the American people to afford these new cars. And I'll invest 150 billion dollars over the next decade in affordable, renewable sources of energy – wind power and solar power and the next generation of biofuels; an investment that will lead to new industries and five million new jobs that pay well and can't ever be outsourced.

America, now is not the time for small plans.

Now is the time to finally meet our moral obligation to provide every child a world-class education, because it will take nothing less to compete in the global economy. Michelle and I are only here tonight because we were given a chance at an education. And I will not settle for an America where some kids don't have that chance. I'll invest in early childhood education. I'll recruit an army of new teachers, and pay them higher salaries and give them more support. And in exchange, I'll ask for higher standards and more accountability. And we will keep our promise to every young American – if you commit to serving your community or your country, we will make sure you can afford a college education.

Now is the time to finally keep the promise of affordable, accessible health care for every single American. If you have health care, my plan will lower your premiums. If you don't, you'll be able to get the same kind of coverage that members of Congress give themselves. And as someone who watched my mother argue with insurance companies while she lay in bed dying of cancer, I will make certain those companies stop discriminating against those who are sick and need care the most.

Now is the time to help families with paid sick days and better family leave, because nobody in America should have to choose between keeping their jobs and caring for a sick child or ailing parent.

Now is the time to change our bankruptcy laws, so that your pensions are protected ahead of CEO bonuses; and the time to protect Social Security for future generations.

And now is the time to keep the promise of equal pay for an equal day's work, because I want my daughters to have exactly the same opportunities as your sons.

Now, many of these plans will cost money, which is why I've laid out how I'll pay for every dime – by closing corporate loopholes and tax havens that don't help America grow. But I will also go through the federal budget, line by line, eliminating programs that no longer work and making the ones we do need work better and cost less – because we cannot meet twenty-first century challenges with a twentieth century bureaucracy.

As Commander-in-Chief, I will never hesitate to defend this nation, but I will only send our troops into harm's way with a clear mission and a sacred commitment to give them the equipment they need in battle and the care and benefits they deserve when they come home.

I will end this war in Iraq responsibly, and finish the fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan. I will rebuild our military to meet future conflicts. But I will also renew the tough, direct diplomacy that can prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons and curb Russian aggression. I will build new partnerships to defeat the threats of the 21st century: terrorism and nuclear proliferation; poverty and genocide; climate change and disease. And I will restore our moral standing, so that America is once again that last, best hope for all who are called to the cause of freedom, who long for lives of peace, and who yearn for a better future.

These are the policies I will pursue. And in the weeks ahead, I look forward to debating them with John McCain.

 

[chapstic]

yes, sounds so beautiful doesn't it? how how how how how how how how is all i ask? how is 0bama going to do it? how is 0bama going to do it without my paycheck going to people who don't want to work because the government gives them a check?

 

[random3434]

yes, sounds so beautiful doesn't it? how how how how how how how how is all i ask? how is 0bama going to do it? how is 0bama going to do it without my paycheck going to people who don't want to work because the government gives them a check?

One More Time for you Chap:

Now, many of these plans will cost money, which is why I've laid out how I'll pay for every dime – by closing corporate loopholes and tax havens that don't help America grow. But I will also go through the federal budget, line by line, eliminating programs that no longer work and making the ones we do need work better and cost less – because we cannot meet twenty-first century challenges with a twentieth century bureaucracy.

 

[dilloduck]

Change means a tax code that doesn't reward the lobbyists who wrote it, but the American workers and small businesses who deserve it.

Unlike John McCain, I will stop giving tax breaks to corporations that ship jobs overseas, and I will start giving them to companies that create good jobs right here in America..

I will eliminate capital gains taxes for the small businesses and the start-ups that will create the high-wage, high-tech jobs of tomorrow.

I will cut taxes – cut taxes – for 95% of all working families. Because in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle-class.

And for the sake of our economy, our security, and the future of our planet, I will set a clear goal as President: in ten years, we will finally end our dependence on oil from the Middle East.

Washington's been talking about our oil addiction for the last thirty years, and John McCain has been there for twenty-six of them. In that time, he's said no to higher fuel-efficiency standards for cars, no to investments in renewable energy, no to renewable fuels. And today, we import triple the amount of oil as the day that Senator McCain took office.

Now is the time to end this addiction, and to understand that drilling is a stop-gap measure, not a long-term solution. Not even close.

As President, I will tap our natural gas reserves, invest in clean coal technology, and find ways to safely harness nuclear power. I'll help our auto companies re-tool, so that the fuel-efficient cars of the future are built right here in America. I'll make it easier for the American people to afford these new cars. And I'll invest 150 billion dollars over the next decade in affordable, renewable sources of energy – wind power and solar power and the next generation of biofuels; an investment that will lead to new industries and five million new jobs that pay well and can't ever be outsourced.

America, now is not the time for small plans.

Now is the time to finally meet our moral obligation to provide every child a world-class education, because it will take nothing less to compete in the global economy. Michelle and I are only here tonight because we were given a chance at an education. And I will not settle for an America where some kids don't have that chance. I'll invest in early childhood education. I'll recruit an army of new teachers, and pay them higher salaries and give them more support. And in exchange, I'll ask for higher standards and more accountability. And we will keep our promise to every young American – if you commit to serving your community or your country, we will make sure you can afford a college education.

Now is the time to finally keep the promise of affordable, accessible health care for every single American. If you have health care, my plan will lower your premiums. If you don't, you'll be able to get the same kind of coverage that members of Congress give themselves. And as someone who watched my mother argue with insurance companies while she lay in bed dying of cancer, I will make certain those companies stop discriminating against those who are sick and need care the most.

Now is the time to help families with paid sick days and better family leave, because nobody in America should have to choose between keeping their jobs and caring for a sick child or ailing parent.

Now is the time to change our bankruptcy laws, so that your pensions are protected ahead of CEO bonuses; and the time to protect Social Security for future generations.

And now is the time to keep the promise of equal pay for an equal day's work, because I want my daughters to have exactly the same opportunities as your sons.

Now, many of these plans will cost money, which is why I've laid out how I'll pay for every dime – by closing corporate loopholes and tax havens that don't help America grow. But I will also go through the federal budget, line by line, eliminating programs that no longer work and making the ones we do need work better and cost less – because we cannot meet twenty-first century challenges with a twentieth century bureaucracy.

As Commander-in-Chief, I will never hesitate to defend this nation, but I will only send our troops into harm's way with a clear mission and a sacred commitment to give them the equipment they need in battle and the care and benefits they deserve when they come home.

I will end this war in Iraq responsibly, and finish the fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan. I will rebuild our military to meet future conflicts. But I will also renew the tough, direct diplomacy that can prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons and curb Russian aggression. I will build new partnerships to defeat the threats of the 21st century: terrorism and nuclear proliferation; poverty and genocide; climate change and disease. And I will restore our moral standing, so that America is once again that last, best hope for all who are called to the cause of freedom, who long for lives of peace, and who yearn for a better future.

These are the policies I will pursue. And in the weeks ahead, I look forward to debating them with John McCain.

You do understand that he can't pay for this ?

 

[Red Dawn]

yes, sounds so beautiful doesn't it? how how how how how how how how is all i ask? how is 0bama going to do it? how is 0bama going to do it without my paycheck going to people who don't want to work because the government gives them a check?

Look, if you don't understand how politics work, maybe you should be participating on a sports forum, or an entertainment message board forum.

Broad policy proposals are given in 30 minute speeches. That's the way it works dude. Your concern trolling isn't fooling anyone. There isn't time in a speech to go through, line by line, the specific mechanics of every policy.

speeches give you a taste of his policies and priorities. Then you go to his damn website if you want to read more details.

 

[Chris]

yes, sounds so beautiful doesn't it? how how how how how how how how is all i ask? how is 0bama going to do it? how is 0bama going to do it without my paycheck going to people who don't want to work because the government gives them a check?

Wait.... on another threat you said he gave no specifics.

Aren't you going to apologize for lying?

 

[chapstic]

You do understand that he can't pay for this ?

he can't pay for it, very true. when your taxes and my taxes go up, then he maybe able to pay for half of it.

 

[chapstic]

Wait.... on another threat you said he gave no specifics.

Aren't you going to apologize for lying?

which one?

 

[dilloduck]

Broad policy proposals are given in 30 minute speeches. That's the way it works dude. There isn't time in a speech to go through, line by line, the specific mechanics of every policy.

Of course not--the devil is all in the details. He's hoping all the starry eyed desperates won't ask for details. For instance--what federal programs does he intend to deem useless and wasteful ? That might be good to know before you vote for someone who does away with your job.

 

[Chris]

You do understand that he can't pay for this ?

Of course he can.

Bringing the troops home from Iraq will save $200 billion dollars a year.

Raising taxes on those making more than $250,000 a year will bring in even more.

 

[Ninja]

Obama united a party tonight...































... The GOP

 

[Ninja]

Bringing the troops home from Iraq will save $200 billion dollars a year.

But then he won't be able to keep AK-47s out of the hands of criminals.

 

[chapstic]

Of course he can.

Bringing the troops home from Iraq will save $200 billion dollars a year.

Raising taxes on those making more than $250,000 a year will bring in even more.

ahh yes, raising the capital gains tax to 28% will give even more. about time we are on the same page.

 

[sealybobo]

yes, sounds so beautiful doesn't it? how how how how how how how how is all i ask? how is 0bama going to do it? how is 0bama going to do it without my paycheck going to people who don't want to work because the government gives them a check?

How did bush double the debt and not raise your taxes? It sounds like some good programs that benefit the middle class that bush ended will come back and a lot of bush's wasteful programs will end. we spent more on defense than every other country combined. half of it was sweetheart deals to bush' buddies. when I say bush I mean the pnac men. the good old boys.

chaney will be a billionaire the day he leaves office. mission accomplished. if they get 4 more yrs, bonus.

but it aint gonna happen. were gonna even pick up more seats in both houses.

your only hope is enough ppl are dumb and racist.