The Definition of A "Christian"

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    I had a Christian friend tell me tonight that the best definition of a Christian was someone who sincerely believed that he was absolutely wrong about his faith in Jesus.

    I said (and I quote) "What the fuck?!?!"

    He said, "Yeah, a true Christian is someone who loves his fellow man enough to sincerely hope that he is wrong about his faith because if he is wrong, then everyone he knows who doesn't know and accept Jesus gets a pass, but if he is right, then everyone he knows who doesn't know and accept Jesus goes to hell to burn forever. Therefore, if a Christian is true to the concept of 'love' (willingness to lay your life down for a friend), he sincerely hopes he is wrong about the Gospel, and everyone just dies, or gets to the next level on their own merit and the concept of 'hell' is rendered moot."

    Is this true? Can love actually transcend the bullshit?

    Please don't flame this one - I really want to know if love can possibly be this selfless and powerful.

    -Joe
     
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    That is like the question of whether true altruism can exist

    No. All is ultimately self-motivated

    Your friend described somone who satisfies his own need to feel good about himself by convincing huimself he's a good person by adopting a philosophy that fits his morality- thereby convincing him that he is moral, well-intentioned and 'good'
     
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    A selfish motivation for selfless love?!?! :eusa_think:

    Oh, the humanity!!!

    -Joe
     
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    There is the hope that it will be returned

    there is the self-satisfaction of being convinced one is 'a good person'

    Ther is the hope that others will view one as 'a good person', thereby fulfilling the need for acceptance, praise, and vindication
     
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    If this isn't confusing, I don't know what is. Who is the one that is supposed to be wrong???? A man or specifically Christian? I honestly question if this person is actually a Christian.

    A "Christian" literally means "little Christ," and as we understand it, a follower of and imitator of Christ. A disciple.
     
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    Oh, by the way... by his argument, the man would be best to simply want the bible to be wrong... his belief would have little to no meaning
     
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    He knows I am even worse than a 'non-believer', I am a 'former believer'. There is absolutely no hope for me in the Christian view of heaven.

    He told me that he sincerely hopes he is wrong about heaven because then people like me won't burn in hell for eternity. I thought that I had, for the first time ever, heard a profession of 'agape' love. It moved me. I wanted to know what my friends at USMB thought. Was that weird?

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    Very interesting comment from your friend. REcently one of my teachers of Buddhist meditation said that he thought that ultimately alll paths lead to their extinction---meaning that if there is embodiment or oneness of being, the separate self is annhilated, and with it the need to practice the religion,
     
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    IMHO, a Christian is someone that has accepted Christ as their personal savior, and attempts to follow His teachings.
     
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    Is that kind of like the altruistic police officer who hopes he is out of work soon because that would mean 'crime' would be at an end, and it would be better for his fellow man that he be unemployed?

    I've been drinking, did that sound o.k.?

    -Joe
     

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