The 'Deep State:' Fact Or Fable

[PoliticalChic]

 

[PoliticalChic]

Is The “Deep State” A Fable?

No…it’s a fact.




1.Government school grads will deny the fact 'til their dying day.
There are two reasons why government school grads regularly claim that there is no “Deep State:”

a.They are trying to obviate the argument that there is a cabal in our government that is aimed at reversing the 2016 election.

b.They are ignorant of the Progressive doctrine, from Woodrow Wilson on, that government should be run by unelected bureaucrats who will do a better job than the deplorables.

“Rather than the people being governed by elected representatives, the three branches, “Woodrow Wilson gave the administrative state its rationale: he held that government by nonpartisan, public-spirited, Ivy League–trained experts making rules in such agencies as the Federal Trade Commission or the Interstate Commerce Commission would be infinitely wiser, more efficient, and more responsive to changing conditions and the evolving spirit of the age than the Framers’ government of limited and separated powers, a clockwork relic in the electricity age.

….ever since the New Deal supersized Wilson’s system, administrative agencies have multiplied like the Sorcerer’s Apprentice’s brooms, so that federal regulations now spill out of 240 volumes—and not only overregulated businessmen, infrastructure planners, and a few law professors, but also Supreme Court justices, have begun to wonder by what legitimate authority unelected bureaucrats can make rules like a legislature, carry them out like an executive, and adjudicate and punish infractions of them like a judiciary, usurping powers that the Constitution places solely in the Congress, the president, and the courts, with no two powers concentrated in the same hands.” The Court Moves Right
The Court Moves Right




2. Government school grads have been totally weaned away from the Founder’s view that free citizens elect….vote into office….those who rule them. Hence, the indoctrinated deny that they are the sheep being herded by unelected bureaucrats, diplomats, career government workers who are in charge….the Deep State.

And the Deep State….which clearly exists….is fighting to prove that the great unwashed must be chastised for electing a candidate not of their choosing…..giving us, first Russiagate, and now Ukrainegate.




3. “People capable of feeling shame would not have immediately followed up the Russiagate hoax fiasco with another transparently phony—and in “substance” nearly identical—attempt to remove President Trump from office, overturn the 2016 election, and shower deplorable-Americans with contempt and hatred. But our ruling elites have no shame.”
The Empire Strikes Back

4. Those people….described here…..ran, and testified at the recent Democrat committee hearing, mislabeled as the ‘Impeachment Inquiry,’…

“Beginning in the late 19th century and intensifying in the mid-1960s, elites inside and outside our government have centralized authority in a “fourth branch,” the executive branch’s agencies and bureaucracies. Marini refers to those institutions, the people in them, and their governing philosophy and methods as “the administrative state.” Administrative state rule is fundamentally anti-democratic and anti-constitutional, intended to be rule by “expert consensus.” Ibid.



This is the Deep State.

It claims to be the real American government.

It's ironic that people who have actively worked to thwart Trump have been Trumps own people, just ask Nicki Hailey.

I know many people who work at many different gov't agencies in many different positions. Many are ex-military and all think gov't has an important role to play and are loyal to the country. Do many of them dislike Trump? You bet. Did many dislike Obama? You bet.

We have gotten to the point where anyone that does not worship Trump is now a Deep Stater. All that matters to these people is blind obedience to their god.

Comey was a life-long registered Republican. Obviously a Deep State mole. He was so good undercover he donated to Senator John McCain's campaign in the 2008 presidential election and to Governor Mitt Romney's campaign in the 2012 presidential election.

"Comey was a life-long registered Republican,"

Any who would post anything as stupid as this.....as flaccid a claim as this.....doesn't have status for the thread.
Stop wasting bytes....get lost.

The problem with your opposition to this comment is that Comey was a republican.

 

[alang1216]

The other part is that you don't understand the role that regualations play: they are the 'tool' that government officials use to become wealthy....both by the Deep State,and elected pols...e.g., Clintons, Bidens....who write the (unnecessary) regulations that business needs to bribe their way out of.

Shocking!! What third-world country do you live in?

 

[alang1216]

Irony Alert: The Puritans essentially lived in a theocracy which ran just about every aspect of their lives.

 

[bodecea]

I hate

Your biggest weakness.

I have no weaknesses.


I used to have superpowers, but my psychiatrist took them away.....

That post says so much Truth about you.

 

[Kilroy2]

Psst the deep state is nothing more than the people who go to work day to day and are government employees

they are repubs, demos, and anyone in between being paid to go to work on your taxpayer dollars

nothing nefarious about it but when the president becomes corrupt like Trump is then its time to get rid of him

MAGA get rid of Trump

People talk about Biden son making money off his dad's position but when Ivanka get deals in China during the same time China and the US are in a trade war

Nothing to see here

All Trump children will be making money now that there Dad has some juice

we just haven't heard all the stories yet but they will come

still it the same for all political persuasions

political influence catch it

 

[Doc7505]

Is The “Deep State” A Fable?

No…it’s a fact.




1.Government school grads will deny the fact 'til their dying day.
There are two reasons why government school grads regularly claim that there is no “Deep State:”

a.They are trying to obviate the argument that there is a cabal in our government that is aimed at reversing the 2016 election.

b.They are ignorant of the Progressive doctrine, from Woodrow Wilson on, that government should be run by unelected bureaucrats who will do a better job than the deplorables.

“Rather than the people being governed by elected representatives, the three branches, “Woodrow Wilson gave the administrative state its rationale: he held that government by nonpartisan, public-spirited, Ivy League–trained experts making rules in such agencies as the Federal Trade Commission or the Interstate Commerce Commission would be infinitely wiser, more efficient, and more responsive to changing conditions and the evolving spirit of the age than the Framers’ government of limited and separated powers, a clockwork relic in the electricity age.

….ever since the New Deal supersized Wilson’s system, administrative agencies have multiplied like the Sorcerer’s Apprentice’s brooms, so that federal regulations now spill out of 240 volumes—and not only overregulated businessmen, infrastructure planners, and a few law professors, but also Supreme Court justices, have begun to wonder by what legitimate authority unelected bureaucrats can make rules like a legislature, carry them out like an executive, and adjudicate and punish infractions of them like a judiciary, usurping powers that the Constitution places solely in the Congress, the president, and the courts, with no two powers concentrated in the same hands.” The Court Moves Right
The Court Moves Right




2. Government school grads have been totally weaned away from the Founder’s view that free citizens elect….vote into office….those who rule them. Hence, the indoctrinated deny that they are the sheep being herded by unelected bureaucrats, diplomats, career government workers who are in charge….the Deep State.

And the Deep State….which clearly exists….is fighting to prove that the great unwashed must be chastised for electing a candidate not of their choosing…..giving us, first Russiagate, and now Ukrainegate.




3. “People capable of feeling shame would not have immediately followed up the Russiagate hoax fiasco with another transparently phony—and in “substance” nearly identical—attempt to remove President Trump from office, overturn the 2016 election, and shower deplorable-Americans with contempt and hatred. But our ruling elites have no shame.”
The Empire Strikes Back

4. Those people….described here…..ran, and testified at the recent Democrat committee hearing, mislabeled as the ‘Impeachment Inquiry,’…

“Beginning in the late 19th century and intensifying in the mid-1960s, elites inside and outside our government have centralized authority in a “fourth branch,” the executive branch’s agencies and bureaucracies. Marini refers to those institutions, the people in them, and their governing philosophy and methods as “the administrative state.” Administrative state rule is fundamentally anti-democratic and anti-constitutional, intended to be rule by “expert consensus.” Ibid.



This is the Deep State.

It claims to be the real American government.

~~~~~~
Well said.... Every time we point this out the sycophants of the Progressive Marxist Socialist/DSA Left claims we are blowing smoke. Meanwhile history proves us correct.

 

[dblack]

Is The “Deep State” A Fable?

Strictly Alex Jones nonsense. Granted, there are lots of people out there doing whatever the can to undermine the Trump administration - often things that are unethical and illegal. But there's no cabal, no secret conspiracy. There's just a lot of people who really, really hate Trump and his supporters. If you guys didn't take such joy in being in-your-face jackasses, that might not be the case.

 

[BlindBoo]

While Quid Pro Quo is the charge against the President, the fact is that all of foreign policy is predicated on quid pro quo.

I agree, but Foreign aid is approve and appropriated by Congress. What Trumpybear is accused of is making private demands of the Ukraine using the bipartisan foreign aid passed by both parties. Worst still is that demand would have been used against one of the parties that voted for the foreign aid. That's a poison pill. Why would any party approve foreign aid if that aid could be used as leverage against them?

 

[IM2]

No…wait: Hussein gave lots to Iran without anything in return, unless one counts his pride in providing Iran with nuclear weapons.

Obama Didn’t Give Iran ‘150 Billion in Cash’

As a candidate during the 2016 campaign, President Donald Trump criticized the international agreement to curb Iran’s nuclear weapons’ program — formally called the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action — that had been adopted the year before. He suggested that the U.S. had returned $150 billion to Iran as part of the deal.

That’s not true. We’ve written about this issue before. PolitiFact and the Washington Post have, too.

But Trump has repeated the claim as recently as December, when he tweeted: “The Democrats and President Obama gave Iran 150 Billion Dollars and got nothing, but they can’t give 5 Billion Dollars for National Security and a Wall?”

Trump’s bogus claim now has been repeated in a meme that references the president’s declaration of a national emergency to redirect federal funds for a proposed wall on the southern border.

The meme, which has been shared 149,000 times on Facebook, mentions the recent lawsuit brought against the Trump administration by 16 states to block the national emergency. The meme says: “So, when Obama bypassed the Congress while giving Iran 150 billion in cash, how many States had sued him?”

First of all, former President Barack Obama didn’t give “150 billion in cash” to Iran.

The nuclear agreement included China, France, Germany, Russia, the United Kingdom, the United States and the European Union, so Obama didn’t carry out any part of it on his own.

Obama Didn't Give Iran '150 Billion in Cash'

"It’s important to know that little of that money was under the control of the United States or any U.S. bank. Most of it, Habibi said, was in central and commercial banks overseas. Furthermore, it was Iran’s money to begin with, not a payment from any government to buy Iran’s cooperation.'

Donald Trump: Iran got $150 billion and $1.8 billion in cash

The $1.8 billion

The Congressional Research Service, the nonpartisan analytic arm of Congress, reviewed this cash transfer in a 2018 report. It gave a total of $1.7 billion.

That was the amount that U.S. and Iranian negotiators settled on to resolve an arms contract between the United States and Iran that predated the Iranian revolution in 1979. Iran had paid for military equipment, and it was never delivered.

As of 1990, there were $400 million in that account. Negotiators agreed that accrued interest would add $1.3 billion to the amount, which is a lot of money — but 25 years is a long time for interest to build up the balance.

Donald Trump: Iran got $150 billion and $1.8 billion in cash

The Asian queen of disingenuous runs her mouth once again.

​

 

[IM2]

Is The “Deep State” A Fable?

Strictly Alex Jones nonsense. Granted, there are lots of people out there doing whatever the can to undermine the Trump administration - often things that are unethical and illegal. But there's no cabal, no secret conspiracy. There's just a lot of people who really, really hate Trump and his supporters. If you guys didn't take such joy in being in-your-face jackasses, that might not be the case.

Trump has undermined himself. Beyond the corruption, is the manner in which he has treated his staff. If I was on that staff and trump talked to me like he has done others, the president would be told to go fuck himself and I would not be anonymous in providing my displeasure of his existence in that office. We'd just be 2 tweeting mfs.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Psst the deep state is nothing more than the people who go to work day to day and are government employees

they are repubs, demos, and anyone in between being paid to go to work on your taxpayer dollars

nothing nefarious about it but when the president becomes corrupt like Trump is then its time to get rid of him

MAGA get rid of Trump

People talk about Biden son making money off his dad's position but when Ivanka get deals in China during the same time China and the US are in a trade war

Nothing to see here

All Trump children will be making money now that there Dad has some juice

we just haven't heard all the stories yet but they will come

still it the same for all political persuasions

political influence catch it

What a vapid post.

 

[g5000]

Is The “Deep State” A Fable?

It's a birther thing. It's a Comet Pizza, Sandy Hook was a false flag operation, aliens are at Area 51, thing.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Is The “Deep State” A Fable?

No…it’s a fact.




1.Government school grads will deny the fact 'til their dying day.
There are two reasons why government school grads regularly claim that there is no “Deep State:”

a.They are trying to obviate the argument that there is a cabal in our government that is aimed at reversing the 2016 election.

b.They are ignorant of the Progressive doctrine, from Woodrow Wilson on, that government should be run by unelected bureaucrats who will do a better job than the deplorables.

“Rather than the people being governed by elected representatives, the three branches, “Woodrow Wilson gave the administrative state its rationale: he held that government by nonpartisan, public-spirited, Ivy League–trained experts making rules in such agencies as the Federal Trade Commission or the Interstate Commerce Commission would be infinitely wiser, more efficient, and more responsive to changing conditions and the evolving spirit of the age than the Framers’ government of limited and separated powers, a clockwork relic in the electricity age.

….ever since the New Deal supersized Wilson’s system, administrative agencies have multiplied like the Sorcerer’s Apprentice’s brooms, so that federal regulations now spill out of 240 volumes—and not only overregulated businessmen, infrastructure planners, and a few law professors, but also Supreme Court justices, have begun to wonder by what legitimate authority unelected bureaucrats can make rules like a legislature, carry them out like an executive, and adjudicate and punish infractions of them like a judiciary, usurping powers that the Constitution places solely in the Congress, the president, and the courts, with no two powers concentrated in the same hands.” The Court Moves Right
The Court Moves Right




2. Government school grads have been totally weaned away from the Founder’s view that free citizens elect….vote into office….those who rule them. Hence, the indoctrinated deny that they are the sheep being herded by unelected bureaucrats, diplomats, career government workers who are in charge….the Deep State.

And the Deep State….which clearly exists….is fighting to prove that the great unwashed must be chastised for electing a candidate not of their choosing…..giving us, first Russiagate, and now Ukrainegate.




3. “People capable of feeling shame would not have immediately followed up the Russiagate hoax fiasco with another transparently phony—and in “substance” nearly identical—attempt to remove President Trump from office, overturn the 2016 election, and shower deplorable-Americans with contempt and hatred. But our ruling elites have no shame.”
The Empire Strikes Back

4. Those people….described here…..ran, and testified at the recent Democrat committee hearing, mislabeled as the ‘Impeachment Inquiry,’…

“Beginning in the late 19th century and intensifying in the mid-1960s, elites inside and outside our government have centralized authority in a “fourth branch,” the executive branch’s agencies and bureaucracies. Marini refers to those institutions, the people in them, and their governing philosophy and methods as “the administrative state.” Administrative state rule is fundamentally anti-democratic and anti-constitutional, intended to be rule by “expert consensus.” Ibid.



This is the Deep State.

It claims to be the real American government.

~~~~~~
Well said.... Every time we point this out the sycophants of the Progressive Marxist Socialist/DSA Left claims we are blowing smoke. Meanwhile history proves us correct.

There is a very real problem for America, in that government school has 'taught' them to leave any thought out of any political question, and simply treat every issue as though it was a sport, and 'Democrat' is the name of their team.

They are simply fans, and not sentient individuals.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Is The “Deep State” A Fable?

Strictly Alex Jones nonsense. Granted, there are lots of people out there doing whatever the can to undermine the Trump administration - often things that are unethical and illegal. But there's no cabal, no secret conspiracy. There's just a lot of people who really, really hate Trump and his supporters. If you guys didn't take such joy in being in-your-face jackasses, that might not be the case.

So there is nothing in the posts you can refute?

Dismissed.

 

[IM2]

It's ironic that people who have actively worked to thwart Trump have been Trumps own people, just ask Nicki Hailey.

I know many people who work at many different gov't agencies in many different positions. Many are ex-military and all think gov't has an important role to play and are loyal to the country. Do many of them dislike Trump? You bet. Did many dislike Obama? You bet.

We have gotten to the point where anyone that does not worship Trump is now a Deep Stater. All that matters to these people is blind obedience to their god.

Comey was a life-long registered Republican. Obviously a Deep State mole. He was so good undercover he donated to Senator John McCain's campaign in the 2008 presidential election and to Governor Mitt Romney's campaign in the 2012 presidential election.

"Comey was a life-long registered Republican,"

Any who would post anything as stupid as this.....as flaccid a claim as this.....doesn't have status for the thread.
Stop wasting bytes....get lost.

The problem with your opposition to this comment is that Comey was a republican.

100 percent afflicted with low self esteem and self hatred. A wannabe white Asian who endorses an ideology that would exclude her if their agenda is realized.

 

[PoliticalChic]

While Quid Pro Quo is the charge against the President, the fact is that all of foreign policy is predicated on quid pro quo.

I agree, but Foreign aid is approve and appropriated by Congress. What Trumpybear is accused of is making private demands of the Ukraine using the bipartisan foreign aid passed by both parties. Worst still is that demand would have been used against one of the parties that voted for the foreign aid. That's a poison pill. Why would any party approve foreign aid if that aid could be used as leverage against them?

Soooo.....why did Bill 'the rapist' Clinton sign this into law?


"Formal Title

• Treaty Between the United States of America and Ukraine on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters with Annex, signed at Kiev on July 22, 1998, and with an Exchange of Notes signed on September 30, 1999, which provides for its provisional application.

Date Received from President

• 11/10/1999 Text of Treaty Document available as:
  • TXT"
  • TREATY WITH UKRAINE ON MUTUAL LEGAL ASSISTANCE IN CRIMINAL MATTERS
    
    __________
    
    MESSAGE
    
    from
    
    THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
    
    transmitting
    
    TREATY BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND UKRAINE ON MUTUAL LEGAL
    ASSISTANCE IN CRIMINAL MATTERS WITH ANNEX, SIGNED AT KIEV ON JULY 22,
    1998, AND WITH AN EXCHANGE OF NOTES SIGNED ON SEPTEMBER 30, 1999, WHICH
    PROVIDES FOR ITS PROVISIONAL APPLICATION
    
    Text - Treaty Document 106-16 - Treaty with Ukraine on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters

What is the logic behind immunizing Quid Pro Joe Biden 'cause he is running for President???

Better to charge him with selling influence after he is elected?

 

[alang1216]

There is a very real problem for America, in that government school has 'taught' them to leave any thought out of any political question, and simply treat every issue as though it was a sport, and 'Democrat' is the name of their team.

They are simply fans, and not sentient individuals.

Curiously, while the GOP has 'RINO's there is no comparable term among the Dems. There is even an non-Dem, Saunders, running on the Dem ticket.

 

[PoliticalChic]

No…wait: Hussein gave lots to Iran without anything in return, unless one counts his pride in providing Iran with nuclear weapons.

Obama Didn’t Give Iran ‘150 Billion in Cash’

As a candidate during the 2016 campaign, President Donald Trump criticized the international agreement to curb Iran’s nuclear weapons’ program — formally called the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action — that had been adopted the year before. He suggested that the U.S. had returned $150 billion to Iran as part of the deal.

That’s not true. We’ve written about this issue before. PolitiFact and the Washington Post have, too.

But Trump has repeated the claim as recently as December, when he tweeted: “The Democrats and President Obama gave Iran 150 Billion Dollars and got nothing, but they can’t give 5 Billion Dollars for National Security and a Wall?”

Trump’s bogus claim now has been repeated in a meme that references the president’s declaration of a national emergency to redirect federal funds for a proposed wall on the southern border.

The meme, which has been shared 149,000 times on Facebook, mentions the recent lawsuit brought against the Trump administration by 16 states to block the national emergency. The meme says: “So, when Obama bypassed the Congress while giving Iran 150 billion in cash, how many States had sued him?”

First of all, former President Barack Obama didn’t give “150 billion in cash” to Iran.

The nuclear agreement included China, France, Germany, Russia, the United Kingdom, the United States and the European Union, so Obama didn’t carry out any part of it on his own.

Obama Didn't Give Iran '150 Billion in Cash'

"It’s important to know that little of that money was under the control of the United States or any U.S. bank. Most of it, Habibi said, was in central and commercial banks overseas. Furthermore, it was Iran’s money to begin with, not a payment from any government to buy Iran’s cooperation.'

Donald Trump: Iran got $150 billion and $1.8 billion in cash

The $1.8 billion

The Congressional Research Service, the nonpartisan analytic arm of Congress, reviewed this cash transfer in a 2018 report. It gave a total of $1.7 billion.

That was the amount that U.S. and Iranian negotiators settled on to resolve an arms contract between the United States and Iran that predated the Iranian revolution in 1979. Iran had paid for military equipment, and it was never delivered.

As of 1990, there were $400 million in that account. Negotiators agreed that accrued interest would add $1.3 billion to the amount, which is a lot of money — but 25 years is a long time for interest to build up the balance.

Donald Trump: Iran got $150 billion and $1.8 billion in cash

The Asian queen of disingenuous runs her mouth once again.

​

Barack Obama was ushering in the age of the ‘Iranian Nuclear Bomb’ and fueling Iran’s war machine.

Barack Obama, the #1 funder of radical Islamic fundamentalism and of the world’s worst state sponsor of terrorism, in the history of the world.



Under Hussein Obama, the United States was the lead benefactor of Islamic terrorism

He gave his nod to ballistic missiles and nuclear weapons for 7th century barbarians.



Barack Obama, in addition to slowing the rise of the oceans, also made the world a safer place to be by funding the world’s worst state sponsor of terrorism while not restricting their ballistic missile program and, at the same time, supporting Hezbollah.



The best friend the homicidal maniacs in charge of Iran ever had was Barack Hussein Obama.

The big question about Hussein Obama was always was he Sunni or Shia…and with the Iran deal, we got answer.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Is The “Deep State” A Fable?

Strictly Alex Jones nonsense. Granted, there are lots of people out there doing whatever the can to undermine the Trump administration - often things that are unethical and illegal. But there's no cabal, no secret conspiracy. There's just a lot of people who really, really hate Trump and his supporters. If you guys didn't take such joy in being in-your-face jackasses, that might not be the case.

Trump has undermined himself. Beyond the corruption, is the manner in which he has treated his staff. If I was on that staff and trump talked to me like he has done others, the president would be told to go fuck himself and I would not be anonymous in providing my displeasure of his existence in that office. We'd just be 2 tweeting mfs.

" If I was on that staff..."

I'm certain that every executive is always searching for some vulgar, dishonest simpleton....

Must be a great call for your services.