The 'Deep State:' Fact Or Fable

"I am not blaming Trump for the actions of his worshipers like you.."


You put your foot in your mouth again:

We on the Right vote for policies, not persons.

Remember how you dolts called Obama 'god, the messiah, and Jesus'????


Talk about worship......

I do remember how those on the left did that, amazing how alike you are to them.


As I said, we on the Right vote for policies, not persons.



See if you see any 'worship' here:


The glaring error you anti-Trumpers make is assuming that folks voted for the man.


Here's a dozen reasons:


Most voted against the Democrats,
against the mess Hussein Obama made of the economy,
against the corruption we've witnessed for decades,

against awarding nuclear weapons to the 7th century savages,
against the anti-white bias of the Democrat Party,

against the flood of illegal immigrants who require welfare
against bringing millions of unvetted Muslim refugees from war-indoctrinated nations,
against redistribution of wealth,
against the failed Liberal welfare industry,
against being dictated to by the United Nothings,
against a failed Liberal education industry,


...and for the slim possibility of a rebirth of America.




"When secular leftists express frustration at how practicing Catholics (your humble servants) and evangelicals could ever vote for Donald Trump, the first thing they refuse to concede is the horror of the alternative.

They refuse to admit that Hillary Clinton clearly, forthrightly stood for abortion on demand, at any time, for any reason and even supported it having it funded by pro-life taxpayers. It’s what she and her husband called “safe, legal and rare.” Hillary and her crew even dismissed the videotaped baby-organ-selling grotesqueries of Planned Parenthood as somehow fictional. And they refuse to admit that Hillary Clinton represented the creeping extremism of the LGBT movement, with its emphasis on redesigning all the nation’s bathrooms, not to mention human nature."
Bozell & Graham Column: The Book Against Transgender Extremism




“Job growth surges by 312,000 in December” Job growth surges by 312,000 in December


"Unemployment hits 49-year low as US employers step up hiring"
Unemployment hits 49-year low as US employers step up hiring



"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 50% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. "
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports®


"Hispanic Unemployment Rate Sets New Record Low in April"
Hispanic Unemployment Rate Sets New Record Low in April

"Unemployment Rate for Women Falls to Lowest Since 1953"
Unemployment Rate for Women Falls to Lowest Since 1953 | Breitbart

"Lowest unemployment in 19 years for workers without bachelor's degrees in April"
Lowest unemployment in 19 years for workers without bachelor's degrees in April



“Black unemployment rate falls to 5.9%, ties record low hit earlier this year” Black unemployment rate falls to 5.9%, ties record low hit earlier this year

You voted for Trump to do what was already being done...that is nice...

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79. “The Office of Management and Budget (OMB) released a report recently that found “the Trump Administration’s regulatory reform efforts have saved American families and businesses $23 billion in Fiscal Year 2018 by getting rid of unduly burdensome and unnecessary regulation. The findings, released by the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA), also reported that Federal Agencies issued 176 deregulatory actions.” This is an important report that you will hear little about from a media obsessed with palace intrigue and investigations.”
Trump Regulatory Reform Saved Taxpayers $23 Billion

80. "Wages and salaries jump by 3.1%, highest level in a decade


81. “Job growth surges by 312,000 in December” Job growth surges by 312,000 in December
82. "Unemployment hits 49-year low as US employers step up hiring"
Unemployment hits 49-year low as US employers step up hiring



"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 50% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. "
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports®

83. "Record 157,288,000 Employed in July

(CNSNews.com) - The number of people employed in the United States hit a record 157,288,000 in July, according to the employment report released today by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.


That was up 283,000 from the 157,005,000 employed in June."

Record 157,288,000 Employed in July


84. “…Planned Parenthood announced that it would withdraw from Title X, a federal family planning program that helps poor women access birth control and other health services. As a result, the organization will lose about $60 million a year in federal funding. The decision was made in response to a new Trump administration rule which forbids Title X clinics from referring patients for abortions.” Planned Parenthood Just Lost $60M in Funding. What Does That Mean for Women?
85. “U.S. adds 136,000 jobs in September, unemployment rate hits 50-year low”

Published: Oct 4, 2019 10:32 a.m. ET

U.S. adds 136,000 jobs in September, unemployment rate hits 50-year low

86. “Record 158,510,000 Americans Employed in October; 23rd Record for Trump” Record 158,510,000 Americans Employed in October; 23rd Record for Trump

87. “Black Unemployment Rate Hits All Time Low”
Huge October Payrolls Beat: 128K Jobs Added As Black Unemployment Rate Hits All Time Low

88. “Dow jumps more than 200 points to 28,000, posts 4-week winning streak The Dow Jones Industrial Average rallied to record levels on Friday, reaching 28,000 for the first time ever…” Dow jumps more than 200 points to 28,000, posts 4-week winning streak



Let me know if you need the rest.....


Clearly your TDS has reduced you to dishonesty and ignorance.

All of these great accomplishments and a job disapproval rating of almost 60 percent.

We've had a decade of stock market increases, economic growth, reduced employment, and job increases. trump regulatory reforms are allowing businesses to dump toxic waste in our drinking water.

trump has not been president for 3 years yet.



"... a job disapproval rating of almost 60 percent."

Really?

Then you must be pretty certain he won't be re-elected, huh?



October 25, 2016...NYTimes gave Hillary 93% chance of winning the election.
2016 Election Forecast: Who Will Be President?



You have all the skills necessary to be employed in valet parking at the hospital emergency room....or sitting in front of a thatched hut, poking a stick in the dirt.
 
Simply admit that the America of the Founders is not for you.

Absolutely I will. 90% of the population were rural farmers. Life was hard. Kids and women had sky high mortality rates. After 240 years of changes, good riddance. Thank the creator that they crafted an update-able Constitution so We the People have the ability to adapt as technology not only threatens the entire world but also continues to shrinks the world. It's a great time to be alive.


I'll help you pack.

For what? The America of the Founders no longer exists.


Why...to leave the country, of course.

You're not the sort of individual one thinks of as having American values.
 
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The problem with your opposition to this comment is that Comey was a republican.

Which proves nothing. It is common knowledge that MANY who have positions opposed to true Conservatives and Constitutional values label themselves as "Republican".

it's a strategy. Everyone knows that today. well, except you.
No, it was the party Comey belonged to. Those who are sane know this. What is common knowledge is that you on the extreme right are a bunch of loons. You know nothing about the constitution and you aren't conservatives.
 
"Simply admit that the America of the Founders is not for you."

And that America damn sure was not for PC's Asian bundanka dunk.
 
Is The “Deep State” A Fable?

No…it’s a fact.




1.Government school grads will deny the fact 'til their dying day.
There are two reasons why government school grads regularly claim that there is no “Deep State:”

a.They are trying to obviate the argument that there is a cabal in our government that is aimed at reversing the 2016 election.

b.They are ignorant of the Progressive doctrine, from Woodrow Wilson on, that government should be run by unelected bureaucrats who will do a better job than the deplorables.

“Rather than the people being governed by elected representatives, the three branches, “Woodrow Wilson gave the administrative state its rationale: he held that government by nonpartisan, public-spirited, Ivy League–trained experts making rules in such agencies as the Federal Trade Commission or the Interstate Commerce Commission would be infinitely wiser, more efficient, and more responsive to changing conditions and the evolving spirit of the age than the Framers’ government of limited and separated powers, a clockwork relic in the electricity age.

….ever since the New Deal supersized Wilson’s system, administrative agencies have multiplied like the Sorcerer’s Apprentice’s brooms, so that federal regulations now spill out of 240 volumes—and not only overregulated businessmen, infrastructure planners, and a few law professors, but also Supreme Court justices, have begun to wonder by what legitimate authority unelected bureaucrats can make rules like a legislature, carry them out like an executive, and adjudicate and punish infractions of them like a judiciary, usurping powers that the Constitution places solely in the Congress, the president, and the courts, with no two powers concentrated in the same hands.” The Court Moves Right
The Court Moves Right




2. Government school grads have been totally weaned away from the Founder’s view that free citizens elect….vote into office….those who rule them. Hence, the indoctrinated deny that they are the sheep being herded by unelected bureaucrats, diplomats, career government workers who are in charge….the Deep State.

And the Deep State….which clearly exists….is fighting to prove that the great unwashed must be chastised for electing a candidate not of their choosing…..giving us, first Russiagate, and now Ukrainegate.




3. “People capable of feeling shame would not have immediately followed up the Russiagate hoax fiasco with another transparently phony—and in “substance” nearly identical—attempt to remove President Trump from office, overturn the 2016 election, and shower deplorable-Americans with contempt and hatred. But our ruling elites have no shame.”
The Empire Strikes Back

4. Those people….described here…..ran, and testified at the recent Democrat committee hearing, mislabeled as the ‘Impeachment Inquiry,’…

“Beginning in the late 19th century and intensifying in the mid-1960s, elites inside and outside our government have centralized authority in a “fourth branch,” the executive branch’s agencies and bureaucracies. Marini refers to those institutions, the people in them, and their governing philosophy and methods as “the administrative state.” Administrative state rule is fundamentally anti-democratic and anti-constitutional, intended to be rule by “expert consensus.” Ibid.



This is the Deep State.

It claims to be the real American government.
It's ironic that people who have actively worked to thwart Trump have been Trumps own people, just ask Nicki Hailey.

I know many people who work at many different gov't agencies in many different positions. Many are ex-military and all think gov't has an important role to play and are loyal to the country. Do many of them dislike Trump? You bet. Did many dislike Obama? You bet.



Now....focus like a laser: what does your drivel have to do with this:

Is The “Deep State” A Fable?

No…it’s a fact.




1.Government school grads will deny the fact 'til their dying day.
There are two reasons why government school grads regularly claim that there is no “Deep State:”

a.They are trying to obviate the argument that there is a cabal in our government that is aimed at reversing the 2016 election.

b.They are ignorant of the Progressive doctrine, from Woodrow Wilson on, that government should be run by unelected bureaucrats who will do a better job than the deplorables.

“Rather than the people being governed by elected representatives, the three branches, “Woodrow Wilson gave the administrative state its rationale: he held that government by nonpartisan, public-spirited, Ivy League–trained experts making rules in such agencies as the Federal Trade Commission or the Interstate Commerce Commission would be infinitely wiser, more efficient, and more responsive to changing conditions and the evolving spirit of the age than the Framers’ government of limited and separated powers, a clockwork relic in the electricity age.

….ever since the New Deal supersized Wilson’s system, administrative agencies have multiplied like the Sorcerer’s Apprentice’s brooms, so that federal regulations now spill out of 240 volumes—and not only overregulated businessmen, infrastructure planners, and a few law professors, but also Supreme Court justices, have begun to wonder by what legitimate authority unelected bureaucrats can make rules like a legislature, carry them out like an executive, and adjudicate and punish infractions of them like a judiciary, usurping powers that the Constitution places solely in the Congress, the president, and the courts, with no two powers concentrated in the same hands.” The Court Moves Right
The Court Moves Right




2. Government school grads have been totally weaned away from the Founder’s view that free citizens elect….vote into office….those who rule them. Hence, the indoctrinated deny that they are the sheep being herded by unelected bureaucrats, diplomats, career government workers who are in charge….the Deep State.

And the Deep State….which clearly exists….is fighting to prove that the great unwashed must be chastised for electing a candidate not of their choosing…..giving us, first Russiagate, and now Ukrainegate.




3. “People capable of feeling shame would not have immediately followed up the Russiagate hoax fiasco with another transparently phony—and in “substance” nearly identical—attempt to remove President Trump from office, overturn the 2016 election, and shower deplorable-Americans with contempt and hatred. But our ruling elites have no shame.”
The Empire Strikes Back

4. Those people….described here…..ran, and testified at the recent Democrat committee hearing, mislabeled as the ‘Impeachment Inquiry,’…

“Beginning in the late 19th century and intensifying in the mid-1960s, elites inside and outside our government have centralized authority in a “fourth branch,” the executive branch’s agencies and bureaucracies. Marini refers to those institutions, the people in them, and their governing philosophy and methods as “the administrative state.” Administrative state rule is fundamentally anti-democratic and anti-constitutional, intended to be rule by “expert consensus.” Ibid.



This is the Deep State.

It claims to be the real American government.
“Beginning in the late 19th century and intensifying in the mid-1960s, elites inside and outside our government have centralized authority in a “fourth branch,” the executive branch’s agencies and bureaucracies. Marini refers to those institutions, the people in them, and their governing philosophy and methods as “the administrative state.” Administrative state rule is fundamentally anti-democratic and anti-constitutional, intended to be rule by “expert consensus.” Ibid.

As the people voted to give more powers to the federal government and as science, technology and the social sciences and communications advanced, yes, there is nothing to refute about all these "helping" agencies.
Without them, we've got no agencies looking over business's shoulder to make sure they're not screwing the people. FDA, EPA. CDC, Parks Service, VA. All kinds of agencies help us.
What people are referring to as the Deep State is these folks who have made their careers learning and becoming experts in their fields in order to advise Congress and the President on legislative matters. Did the Intelligence Agencies proclaim what should be done to the Russians who hacked the DNC emails? No. They just investigated and have their report to the President.
Yes, perhaps the government has become too large and overbearing. But the people need some protection. Do you think each state should reinvent the wheel by having separate FDA's and CDC's with opposing regulations and rules? How does interstate commerce proceed in those instances?

It's easy to criticize, Political Chic, but maybe no so easy to figure out what to do once you've thrown out the baby with the bathwater.



James L. Buckley spoke at the Heritage Foundation, on his book “Freedom at Risk: Reflections on Politics, Liberty, and the State,” broadcast on C-Span.

  1. The subject was autonomy, and the exercise of personal responsibility, the values and institutions found in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, i.e., the principles of an earlier time in America: are they relevant today?
  2. Consider, by example, Title 42 of the US Code: Laws dealing with public health and welfare. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/42/usc_sup_01_42.html Today, this federal law is 1700 pages more than it was prior to the New Deal. The reason is the creation of more and more bureaus and agencies endowed with ever broader responsibilities and discretion in defining the rules that govern our activities and our lives. And these rules have the full force of law! Congress has increased the number of rules whose infractions are criminalized, waiving the common law requirement that one knows he is breaking the law. Today, one can be jailed for violating a regulation that one had no reason to know even existed!

  1. While the officials in these agencies are generally good people, they become focused on their particular portfolio of duties, that, often, they cannot see the consequences on other parts of society. Put this together with human nature, and one can see bullying, and misuse of power, especially when these individuals are immune to penalty, and supported by free and extensive legal representation: they have sovereign immunity in their positions.

  1. While not unconstitutional, regulation may be considered extra-constitutional. There may be some point where it is considered to be an unconstitutional delegation of legislative authority to an agency or bureau. Under Obamacare, or Dodd-Frank Reform we see legislation where regulators have not yet determined what the regulation should be…how can Congress allow a law without knowing what the impact will be?

If you are satisfied with being governed by unelected technocrats and bureaucrats, simply admit that the America of the Founders is not for you.
I would rather have people with sound knowledge of their fields giving informed input to the administration and Congress than to politicians. Face it, politicians have their own toolkit of skills, but deep knowledge of any given field is rarely among them.

Yes, regulations are a pain in the ass; I deal with them from the DOE every day, and they only provide 10% of our funding, but a lot of the rest is filtered through the state and other agencies, and they all need to follow those regs, too, to keep the funding rolling in. It's hopeless.

But you and Mr. Buckley haven't presented an alternative, yet.



Part of your problem is that you are willing to be governed by career bean counters.

The other part is that you don't understand the role that regualations play: they are the 'tool' that government officials use to become wealthy....both by the Deep State,and elected pols...e.g., Clintons, Bidens....who write the (unnecessary) regulations that business needs to bribe their way out of.



And they hate Trump for depriving them of that 'tool.'


. "The Economist, in a piece published last month, reported, “the impact of the Trump administration has been dramatic. The flow of new rules is suddenly a dribble. Since Mr Trump was inaugurated the number of regulatory restrictions has grown at about two-fifths of the usual speed.”

....not generally a Trump cheerleader, praised the administration’s approach to financial deregulation as “thoughtful...detailed and rigorous.” It reported, “the new approach in Washington does seem to have boosted business confidence.”



Mr. Trump is focusing on a real problem. ... the growth of federal red tape with a thought experiment explaining the difficulty of even reading, let alone complying with, the government imposed rules.

“The US Code of Federal Regulations — the annually published set of books containing all federal regulations currently in effect — contained 35.4 million words in 1970. A person could read the entire code in just a few days short of a year, assuming he or she read 250 words per minute, 40 hours per week, 50 weeks per year,” ...

“By 2016, there were 104.6 million words of federal regulation on the books, about 195 percent growth over 1970, with a corresponding increase in reading time of almost two years. “

BM has been running full-page newspaper ads boasting that its Watson artificial intelligence capability can help compliance officers “keep up with 20,000 new or modified regulations a year and 200 revisions a day.”....“humans alone are not going to be able to meet these challenges. "
An assessment of the White House’s progress on deregulation
 
Simply admit that the America of the Founders is not for you.

Absolutely I will. 90% of the population were rural farmers. Life was hard. Kids and women had sky high mortality rates. After 240 years of changes, good riddance. Thank the creator that they crafted an update-able Constitution so We the People have the ability to adapt as technology not only threatens the entire world but also continues to shrinks the world. It's a great time to be alive.


I'll help you pack.

For what? The America of the Founders no longer exists.


Why...to leave the country, of course.

You're not the sort of individual on things of as having American values.

You don't know what American values are. You're too brainwashed by the alt right bullshit you read.
 
It's ironic that people who have actively worked to thwart Trump have been Trumps own people, just ask Nicki Hailey.

I know many people who work at many different gov't agencies in many different positions. Many are ex-military and all think gov't has an important role to play and are loyal to the country. Do many of them dislike Trump? You bet. Did many dislike Obama? You bet.



Now....focus like a laser: what does your drivel have to do with this:

Is The “Deep State” A Fable?

No…it’s a fact.




1.Government school grads will deny the fact 'til their dying day.
There are two reasons why government school grads regularly claim that there is no “Deep State:”

a.They are trying to obviate the argument that there is a cabal in our government that is aimed at reversing the 2016 election.

b.They are ignorant of the Progressive doctrine, from Woodrow Wilson on, that government should be run by unelected bureaucrats who will do a better job than the deplorables.

“Rather than the people being governed by elected representatives, the three branches, “Woodrow Wilson gave the administrative state its rationale: he held that government by nonpartisan, public-spirited, Ivy League–trained experts making rules in such agencies as the Federal Trade Commission or the Interstate Commerce Commission would be infinitely wiser, more efficient, and more responsive to changing conditions and the evolving spirit of the age than the Framers’ government of limited and separated powers, a clockwork relic in the electricity age.

….ever since the New Deal supersized Wilson’s system, administrative agencies have multiplied like the Sorcerer’s Apprentice’s brooms, so that federal regulations now spill out of 240 volumes—and not only overregulated businessmen, infrastructure planners, and a few law professors, but also Supreme Court justices, have begun to wonder by what legitimate authority unelected bureaucrats can make rules like a legislature, carry them out like an executive, and adjudicate and punish infractions of them like a judiciary, usurping powers that the Constitution places solely in the Congress, the president, and the courts, with no two powers concentrated in the same hands.” The Court Moves Right
The Court Moves Right




2. Government school grads have been totally weaned away from the Founder’s view that free citizens elect….vote into office….those who rule them. Hence, the indoctrinated deny that they are the sheep being herded by unelected bureaucrats, diplomats, career government workers who are in charge….the Deep State.

And the Deep State….which clearly exists….is fighting to prove that the great unwashed must be chastised for electing a candidate not of their choosing…..giving us, first Russiagate, and now Ukrainegate.




3. “People capable of feeling shame would not have immediately followed up the Russiagate hoax fiasco with another transparently phony—and in “substance” nearly identical—attempt to remove President Trump from office, overturn the 2016 election, and shower deplorable-Americans with contempt and hatred. But our ruling elites have no shame.”
The Empire Strikes Back

4. Those people….described here…..ran, and testified at the recent Democrat committee hearing, mislabeled as the ‘Impeachment Inquiry,’…

“Beginning in the late 19th century and intensifying in the mid-1960s, elites inside and outside our government have centralized authority in a “fourth branch,” the executive branch’s agencies and bureaucracies. Marini refers to those institutions, the people in them, and their governing philosophy and methods as “the administrative state.” Administrative state rule is fundamentally anti-democratic and anti-constitutional, intended to be rule by “expert consensus.” Ibid.



This is the Deep State.

It claims to be the real American government.
“Beginning in the late 19th century and intensifying in the mid-1960s, elites inside and outside our government have centralized authority in a “fourth branch,” the executive branch’s agencies and bureaucracies. Marini refers to those institutions, the people in them, and their governing philosophy and methods as “the administrative state.” Administrative state rule is fundamentally anti-democratic and anti-constitutional, intended to be rule by “expert consensus.” Ibid.

As the people voted to give more powers to the federal government and as science, technology and the social sciences and communications advanced, yes, there is nothing to refute about all these "helping" agencies.
Without them, we've got no agencies looking over business's shoulder to make sure they're not screwing the people. FDA, EPA. CDC, Parks Service, VA. All kinds of agencies help us.
What people are referring to as the Deep State is these folks who have made their careers learning and becoming experts in their fields in order to advise Congress and the President on legislative matters. Did the Intelligence Agencies proclaim what should be done to the Russians who hacked the DNC emails? No. They just investigated and have their report to the President.
Yes, perhaps the government has become too large and overbearing. But the people need some protection. Do you think each state should reinvent the wheel by having separate FDA's and CDC's with opposing regulations and rules? How does interstate commerce proceed in those instances?

It's easy to criticize, Political Chic, but maybe no so easy to figure out what to do once you've thrown out the baby with the bathwater.



James L. Buckley spoke at the Heritage Foundation, on his book “Freedom at Risk: Reflections on Politics, Liberty, and the State,” broadcast on C-Span.

  1. The subject was autonomy, and the exercise of personal responsibility, the values and institutions found in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, i.e., the principles of an earlier time in America: are they relevant today?
  2. Consider, by example, Title 42 of the US Code: Laws dealing with public health and welfare. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/42/usc_sup_01_42.html Today, this federal law is 1700 pages more than it was prior to the New Deal. The reason is the creation of more and more bureaus and agencies endowed with ever broader responsibilities and discretion in defining the rules that govern our activities and our lives. And these rules have the full force of law! Congress has increased the number of rules whose infractions are criminalized, waiving the common law requirement that one knows he is breaking the law. Today, one can be jailed for violating a regulation that one had no reason to know even existed!

  1. While the officials in these agencies are generally good people, they become focused on their particular portfolio of duties, that, often, they cannot see the consequences on other parts of society. Put this together with human nature, and one can see bullying, and misuse of power, especially when these individuals are immune to penalty, and supported by free and extensive legal representation: they have sovereign immunity in their positions.

  1. While not unconstitutional, regulation may be considered extra-constitutional. There may be some point where it is considered to be an unconstitutional delegation of legislative authority to an agency or bureau. Under Obamacare, or Dodd-Frank Reform we see legislation where regulators have not yet determined what the regulation should be…how can Congress allow a law without knowing what the impact will be?

If you are satisfied with being governed by unelected technocrats and bureaucrats, simply admit that the America of the Founders is not for you.
I would rather have people with sound knowledge of their fields giving informed input to the administration and Congress than to politicians. Face it, politicians have their own toolkit of skills, but deep knowledge of any given field is rarely among them.

Yes, regulations are a pain in the ass; I deal with them from the DOE every day, and they only provide 10% of our funding, but a lot of the rest is filtered through the state and other agencies, and they all need to follow those regs, too, to keep the funding rolling in. It's hopeless.

But you and Mr. Buckley haven't presented an alternative, yet.



Part of your problem is that you are willing to be governed by career bean counters.

The other part is that you don't understand the role that regualations play: they are the 'tool' that government officials use to become wealthy....both by the Deep State,and elected pols...e.g., Clintons, Bidens....who write the (unnecessary) regulations that business needs to bribe their way out of.



And they hate Trump for depriving them of that 'tool.'


. "The Economist, in a piece published last month, reported, “the impact of the Trump administration has been dramatic. The flow of new rules is suddenly a dribble. Since Mr Trump was inaugurated the number of regulatory restrictions has grown at about two-fifths of the usual speed.”

....not generally a Trump cheerleader, praised the administration’s approach to financial deregulation as “thoughtful...detailed and rigorous.” It reported, “the new approach in Washington does seem to have boosted business confidence.”



Mr. Trump is focusing on a real problem. ... the growth of federal red tape with a thought experiment explaining the difficulty of even reading, let alone complying with, the government imposed rules.

“The US Code of Federal Regulations — the annually published set of books containing all federal regulations currently in effect — contained 35.4 million words in 1970. A person could read the entire code in just a few days short of a year, assuming he or she read 250 words per minute, 40 hours per week, 50 weeks per year,” ...

“By 2016, there were 104.6 million words of federal regulation on the books, about 195 percent growth over 1970, with a corresponding increase in reading time of almost two years. “

BM has been running full-page newspaper ads boasting that its Watson artificial intelligence capability can help compliance officers “keep up with 20,000 new or modified regulations a year and 200 revisions a day.”....“humans alone are not going to be able to meet these challenges. "
An assessment of the White House’s progress on deregulation
Most regulations happen because businesses abuse the system.
 
Is The “Deep State” A Fable?

No…it’s a fact.




1.Government school grads will deny the fact 'til their dying day.
There are two reasons why government school grads regularly claim that there is no “Deep State:”

a.They are trying to obviate the argument that there is a cabal in our government that is aimed at reversing the 2016 election.

b.They are ignorant of the Progressive doctrine, from Woodrow Wilson on, that government should be run by unelected bureaucrats who will do a better job than the deplorables.

“Rather than the people being governed by elected representatives, the three branches, “Woodrow Wilson gave the administrative state its rationale: he held that government by nonpartisan, public-spirited, Ivy League–trained experts making rules in such agencies as the Federal Trade Commission or the Interstate Commerce Commission would be infinitely wiser, more efficient, and more responsive to changing conditions and the evolving spirit of the age than the Framers’ government of limited and separated powers, a clockwork relic in the electricity age.

….ever since the New Deal supersized Wilson’s system, administrative agencies have multiplied like the Sorcerer’s Apprentice’s brooms, so that federal regulations now spill out of 240 volumes—and not only overregulated businessmen, infrastructure planners, and a few law professors, but also Supreme Court justices, have begun to wonder by what legitimate authority unelected bureaucrats can make rules like a legislature, carry them out like an executive, and adjudicate and punish infractions of them like a judiciary, usurping powers that the Constitution places solely in the Congress, the president, and the courts, with no two powers concentrated in the same hands.” The Court Moves Right
The Court Moves Right




2. Government school grads have been totally weaned away from the Founder’s view that free citizens elect….vote into office….those who rule them. Hence, the indoctrinated deny that they are the sheep being herded by unelected bureaucrats, diplomats, career government workers who are in charge….the Deep State.

And the Deep State….which clearly exists….is fighting to prove that the great unwashed must be chastised for electing a candidate not of their choosing…..giving us, first Russiagate, and now Ukrainegate.




3. “People capable of feeling shame would not have immediately followed up the Russiagate hoax fiasco with another transparently phony—and in “substance” nearly identical—attempt to remove President Trump from office, overturn the 2016 election, and shower deplorable-Americans with contempt and hatred. But our ruling elites have no shame.”
The Empire Strikes Back

4. Those people….described here…..ran, and testified at the recent Democrat committee hearing, mislabeled as the ‘Impeachment Inquiry,’…

“Beginning in the late 19th century and intensifying in the mid-1960s, elites inside and outside our government have centralized authority in a “fourth branch,” the executive branch’s agencies and bureaucracies. Marini refers to those institutions, the people in them, and their governing philosophy and methods as “the administrative state.” Administrative state rule is fundamentally anti-democratic and anti-constitutional, intended to be rule by “expert consensus.” Ibid.



This is the Deep State.

It claims to be the real American government.
It's ironic that people who have actively worked to thwart Trump have been Trumps own people, just ask Nicki Hailey.

I know many people who work at many different gov't agencies in many different positions. Many are ex-military and all think gov't has an important role to play and are loyal to the country. Do many of them dislike Trump? You bet. Did many dislike Obama? You bet.

We have gotten to the point where anyone that does not worship Trump is now a Deep Stater. All that matters to these people is blind obedience to their god.
#Itsacult
 
Simply admit that the America of the Founders is not for you.

Absolutely I will. 90% of the population were rural farmers. Life was hard. Kids and women had sky high mortality rates. After 240 years of changes, good riddance. Thank the creator that they crafted an update-able Constitution so We the People have the ability to adapt as technology not only threatens the entire world but also continues to shrinks the world. It's a great time to be alive.


I'll help you pack.

For what? The America of the Founders no longer exists.


Why...to leave the country, of course.

You're not the sort of individual one thinks of as having American values.

Well I'm certainly proud of not having your values.

"Today, those who subscribe to the principles of the American Revolution — individual liberty, limited government, the free market, and the rule of law — call themselves by a variety of terms, including conservative, libertarian, classical liberal, and liberal. We see problems with all of those terms. "Conservative" smacks of an unwillingness to change, of a desire to preserve the status quo. Only in America do people seem to refer to free-market capitalism — the most progressive, dynamic, and ever-changing system the world has ever known — as conservative. Additionally, many contemporary American conservatives favor state intervention in some areas, most notably in trade and into our private lives.

"Classical liberal" is a bit closer to the mark, but the word "classical" fails to capture the contemporary vibrancy of the ideas of freedom.

"Liberal" may well be the perfect word in most of the world — the liberals in societies from China to Iran to South Africa to Argentina tend to be supporters of human rights and free markets — but its meaning has clearly been altered in the contemporary United States.

The Jeffersonian philosophy that animates Cato's work has increasingly come to be called "libertarianism" or "market liberalism." It combines an appreciation for entrepreneurship, the market process, and lower taxes with strict respect for civil liberties and skepticism about the benefits of both the welfare state and foreign military adventurism.

This vision brings the wisdom of the American Founders to bear on the problems of today. As did the Founders, it looks to the future with optimism and excitement, eager to discover what great things women and men will do in the coming century. Market liberals appreciate the complexity of a great society, recognizing that socialism and government planning are just too clumsy for the modern world. It is — or used to be — the conventional wisdom that a more complex society needs more government, but the truth is just the opposite. The simpler the society, the less damage government planning does. Planning is cumbersome in an agricultural society, costly in an industrial economy, and impossible in the information age. Today collectivism and planning are outmoded and backward, a drag on social progress.

Libertarians have a cosmopolitan, inclusive vision for society. We applaud the progressive extension of the promises of the Declaration of Independence to more people, especially to women, African-Americans, religious minorities, and gay and lesbian people. Our greatest challenge today is to continue to extend the promise of political freedom and economic opportunity to those who are still denied it, in our own country and around the world."

Cato's Mission
 
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It's ironic that people who have actively worked to thwart Trump have been Trumps own people, just ask Nicki Hailey.

I know many people who work at many different gov't agencies in many different positions. Many are ex-military and all think gov't has an important role to play and are loyal to the country. Do many of them dislike Trump? You bet. Did many dislike Obama? You bet.

We have gotten to the point where anyone that does not worship Trump is now a Deep Stater. All that matters to these people is blind obedience to their god.
Comey was a life-long registered Republican. Obviously a Deep State mole. He was so good undercover he donated to Senator John McCain's campaign in the 2008 presidential election and to Governor Mitt Romney's campaign in the 2012 presidential election.



"Comey was a life-long registered Republican,"

Any who would post anything as stupid as this.....as flaccid a claim as this.....doesn't have status for the thread.
Stop wasting bytes....get lost.

The problem with your opposition to this comment is that Comey was a republican.


I have learned to always...ALWAYS....expect a dumb post from you.

I have learned to always...ALWAYS....expect a dumb thread from you posting bunch of words that say nothing. Comey was a republican and that's a fact. Maybe one day when you graduate college and leave your parents house, you'll learn how wrong and misinformed you currently are.
 
It's ironic that people who have actively worked to thwart Trump have been Trumps own people, just ask Nicki Hailey.

I know many people who work at many different gov't agencies in many different positions. Many are ex-military and all think gov't has an important role to play and are loyal to the country. Do many of them dislike Trump? You bet. Did many dislike Obama? You bet.



Now....focus like a laser: what does your drivel have to do with this:

Is The “Deep State” A Fable?

No…it’s a fact.




1.Government school grads will deny the fact 'til their dying day.
There are two reasons why government school grads regularly claim that there is no “Deep State:”

a.They are trying to obviate the argument that there is a cabal in our government that is aimed at reversing the 2016 election.

b.They are ignorant of the Progressive doctrine, from Woodrow Wilson on, that government should be run by unelected bureaucrats who will do a better job than the deplorables.

“Rather than the people being governed by elected representatives, the three branches, “Woodrow Wilson gave the administrative state its rationale: he held that government by nonpartisan, public-spirited, Ivy League–trained experts making rules in such agencies as the Federal Trade Commission or the Interstate Commerce Commission would be infinitely wiser, more efficient, and more responsive to changing conditions and the evolving spirit of the age than the Framers’ government of limited and separated powers, a clockwork relic in the electricity age.

….ever since the New Deal supersized Wilson’s system, administrative agencies have multiplied like the Sorcerer’s Apprentice’s brooms, so that federal regulations now spill out of 240 volumes—and not only overregulated businessmen, infrastructure planners, and a few law professors, but also Supreme Court justices, have begun to wonder by what legitimate authority unelected bureaucrats can make rules like a legislature, carry them out like an executive, and adjudicate and punish infractions of them like a judiciary, usurping powers that the Constitution places solely in the Congress, the president, and the courts, with no two powers concentrated in the same hands.” The Court Moves Right
The Court Moves Right




2. Government school grads have been totally weaned away from the Founder’s view that free citizens elect….vote into office….those who rule them. Hence, the indoctrinated deny that they are the sheep being herded by unelected bureaucrats, diplomats, career government workers who are in charge….the Deep State.

And the Deep State….which clearly exists….is fighting to prove that the great unwashed must be chastised for electing a candidate not of their choosing…..giving us, first Russiagate, and now Ukrainegate.




3. “People capable of feeling shame would not have immediately followed up the Russiagate hoax fiasco with another transparently phony—and in “substance” nearly identical—attempt to remove President Trump from office, overturn the 2016 election, and shower deplorable-Americans with contempt and hatred. But our ruling elites have no shame.”
The Empire Strikes Back

4. Those people….described here…..ran, and testified at the recent Democrat committee hearing, mislabeled as the ‘Impeachment Inquiry,’…

“Beginning in the late 19th century and intensifying in the mid-1960s, elites inside and outside our government have centralized authority in a “fourth branch,” the executive branch’s agencies and bureaucracies. Marini refers to those institutions, the people in them, and their governing philosophy and methods as “the administrative state.” Administrative state rule is fundamentally anti-democratic and anti-constitutional, intended to be rule by “expert consensus.” Ibid.



This is the Deep State.

It claims to be the real American government.
“Beginning in the late 19th century and intensifying in the mid-1960s, elites inside and outside our government have centralized authority in a “fourth branch,” the executive branch’s agencies and bureaucracies. Marini refers to those institutions, the people in them, and their governing philosophy and methods as “the administrative state.” Administrative state rule is fundamentally anti-democratic and anti-constitutional, intended to be rule by “expert consensus.” Ibid.

As the people voted to give more powers to the federal government and as science, technology and the social sciences and communications advanced, yes, there is nothing to refute about all these "helping" agencies.
Without them, we've got no agencies looking over business's shoulder to make sure they're not screwing the people. FDA, EPA. CDC, Parks Service, VA. All kinds of agencies help us.
What people are referring to as the Deep State is these folks who have made their careers learning and becoming experts in their fields in order to advise Congress and the President on legislative matters. Did the Intelligence Agencies proclaim what should be done to the Russians who hacked the DNC emails? No. They just investigated and have their report to the President.
Yes, perhaps the government has become too large and overbearing. But the people need some protection. Do you think each state should reinvent the wheel by having separate FDA's and CDC's with opposing regulations and rules? How does interstate commerce proceed in those instances?

It's easy to criticize, Political Chic, but maybe no so easy to figure out what to do once you've thrown out the baby with the bathwater.



James L. Buckley spoke at the Heritage Foundation, on his book “Freedom at Risk: Reflections on Politics, Liberty, and the State,” broadcast on C-Span.

  1. The subject was autonomy, and the exercise of personal responsibility, the values and institutions found in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, i.e., the principles of an earlier time in America: are they relevant today?
  2. Consider, by example, Title 42 of the US Code: Laws dealing with public health and welfare. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/42/usc_sup_01_42.html Today, this federal law is 1700 pages more than it was prior to the New Deal. The reason is the creation of more and more bureaus and agencies endowed with ever broader responsibilities and discretion in defining the rules that govern our activities and our lives. And these rules have the full force of law! Congress has increased the number of rules whose infractions are criminalized, waiving the common law requirement that one knows he is breaking the law. Today, one can be jailed for violating a regulation that one had no reason to know even existed!

  1. While the officials in these agencies are generally good people, they become focused on their particular portfolio of duties, that, often, they cannot see the consequences on other parts of society. Put this together with human nature, and one can see bullying, and misuse of power, especially when these individuals are immune to penalty, and supported by free and extensive legal representation: they have sovereign immunity in their positions.

  1. While not unconstitutional, regulation may be considered extra-constitutional. There may be some point where it is considered to be an unconstitutional delegation of legislative authority to an agency or bureau. Under Obamacare, or Dodd-Frank Reform we see legislation where regulators have not yet determined what the regulation should be…how can Congress allow a law without knowing what the impact will be?

If you are satisfied with being governed by unelected technocrats and bureaucrats, simply admit that the America of the Founders is not for you.
I would rather have people with sound knowledge of their fields giving informed input to the administration and Congress than to politicians. Face it, politicians have their own toolkit of skills, but deep knowledge of any given field is rarely among them.

Yes, regulations are a pain in the ass; I deal with them from the DOE every day, and they only provide 10% of our funding, but a lot of the rest is filtered through the state and other agencies, and they all need to follow those regs, too, to keep the funding rolling in. It's hopeless.

But you and Mr. Buckley haven't presented an alternative, yet.



Part of your problem is that you are willing to be governed by career bean counters.

The other part is that you don't understand the role that regualations play: they are the 'tool' that government officials use to become wealthy....both by the Deep State,and elected pols...e.g., Clintons, Bidens....who write the (unnecessary) regulations that business needs to bribe their way out of.



And they hate Trump for depriving them of that 'tool.'


. "The Economist, in a piece published last month, reported, “the impact of the Trump administration has been dramatic. The flow of new rules is suddenly a dribble. Since Mr Trump was inaugurated the number of regulatory restrictions has grown at about two-fifths of the usual speed.”

....not generally a Trump cheerleader, praised the administration’s approach to financial deregulation as “thoughtful...detailed and rigorous.” It reported, “the new approach in Washington does seem to have boosted business confidence.”



Mr. Trump is focusing on a real problem. ... the growth of federal red tape with a thought experiment explaining the difficulty of even reading, let alone complying with, the government imposed rules.

“The US Code of Federal Regulations — the annually published set of books containing all federal regulations currently in effect — contained 35.4 million words in 1970. A person could read the entire code in just a few days short of a year, assuming he or she read 250 words per minute, 40 hours per week, 50 weeks per year,” ...

“By 2016, there were 104.6 million words of federal regulation on the books, about 195 percent growth over 1970, with a corresponding increase in reading time of almost two years. “

BM has been running full-page newspaper ads boasting that its Watson artificial intelligence capability can help compliance officers “keep up with 20,000 new or modified regulations a year and 200 revisions a day.”....“humans alone are not going to be able to meet these challenges. "
An assessment of the White House’s progress on deregulation

It's ironic that people who have actively worked to thwart Trump have been Trumps own people, just ask Nicki Hailey.

I know many people who work at many different gov't agencies in many different positions. Many are ex-military and all think gov't has an important role to play and are loyal to the country. Do many of them dislike Trump? You bet. Did many dislike Obama? You bet.



Now....focus like a laser: what does your drivel have to do with this:

Is The “Deep State” A Fable?

No…it’s a fact.




1.Government school grads will deny the fact 'til their dying day.
There are two reasons why government school grads regularly claim that there is no “Deep State:”

a.They are trying to obviate the argument that there is a cabal in our government that is aimed at reversing the 2016 election.

b.They are ignorant of the Progressive doctrine, from Woodrow Wilson on, that government should be run by unelected bureaucrats who will do a better job than the deplorables.

“Rather than the people being governed by elected representatives, the three branches, “Woodrow Wilson gave the administrative state its rationale: he held that government by nonpartisan, public-spirited, Ivy League–trained experts making rules in such agencies as the Federal Trade Commission or the Interstate Commerce Commission would be infinitely wiser, more efficient, and more responsive to changing conditions and the evolving spirit of the age than the Framers’ government of limited and separated powers, a clockwork relic in the electricity age.

….ever since the New Deal supersized Wilson’s system, administrative agencies have multiplied like the Sorcerer’s Apprentice’s brooms, so that federal regulations now spill out of 240 volumes—and not only overregulated businessmen, infrastructure planners, and a few law professors, but also Supreme Court justices, have begun to wonder by what legitimate authority unelected bureaucrats can make rules like a legislature, carry them out like an executive, and adjudicate and punish infractions of them like a judiciary, usurping powers that the Constitution places solely in the Congress, the president, and the courts, with no two powers concentrated in the same hands.” The Court Moves Right
The Court Moves Right




2. Government school grads have been totally weaned away from the Founder’s view that free citizens elect….vote into office….those who rule them. Hence, the indoctrinated deny that they are the sheep being herded by unelected bureaucrats, diplomats, career government workers who are in charge….the Deep State.

And the Deep State….which clearly exists….is fighting to prove that the great unwashed must be chastised for electing a candidate not of their choosing…..giving us, first Russiagate, and now Ukrainegate.




3. “People capable of feeling shame would not have immediately followed up the Russiagate hoax fiasco with another transparently phony—and in “substance” nearly identical—attempt to remove President Trump from office, overturn the 2016 election, and shower deplorable-Americans with contempt and hatred. But our ruling elites have no shame.”
The Empire Strikes Back

4. Those people….described here…..ran, and testified at the recent Democrat committee hearing, mislabeled as the ‘Impeachment Inquiry,’…

“Beginning in the late 19th century and intensifying in the mid-1960s, elites inside and outside our government have centralized authority in a “fourth branch,” the executive branch’s agencies and bureaucracies. Marini refers to those institutions, the people in them, and their governing philosophy and methods as “the administrative state.” Administrative state rule is fundamentally anti-democratic and anti-constitutional, intended to be rule by “expert consensus.” Ibid.



This is the Deep State.

It claims to be the real American government.
“Beginning in the late 19th century and intensifying in the mid-1960s, elites inside and outside our government have centralized authority in a “fourth branch,” the executive branch’s agencies and bureaucracies. Marini refers to those institutions, the people in them, and their governing philosophy and methods as “the administrative state.” Administrative state rule is fundamentally anti-democratic and anti-constitutional, intended to be rule by “expert consensus.” Ibid.

As the people voted to give more powers to the federal government and as science, technology and the social sciences and communications advanced, yes, there is nothing to refute about all these "helping" agencies.
Without them, we've got no agencies looking over business's shoulder to make sure they're not screwing the people. FDA, EPA. CDC, Parks Service, VA. All kinds of agencies help us.
What people are referring to as the Deep State is these folks who have made their careers learning and becoming experts in their fields in order to advise Congress and the President on legislative matters. Did the Intelligence Agencies proclaim what should be done to the Russians who hacked the DNC emails? No. They just investigated and have their report to the President.
Yes, perhaps the government has become too large and overbearing. But the people need some protection. Do you think each state should reinvent the wheel by having separate FDA's and CDC's with opposing regulations and rules? How does interstate commerce proceed in those instances?

It's easy to criticize, Political Chic, but maybe no so easy to figure out what to do once you've thrown out the baby with the bathwater.



James L. Buckley spoke at the Heritage Foundation, on his book “Freedom at Risk: Reflections on Politics, Liberty, and the State,” broadcast on C-Span.

  1. The subject was autonomy, and the exercise of personal responsibility, the values and institutions found in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, i.e., the principles of an earlier time in America: are they relevant today?
  2. Consider, by example, Title 42 of the US Code: Laws dealing with public health and welfare. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/42/usc_sup_01_42.html Today, this federal law is 1700 pages more than it was prior to the New Deal. The reason is the creation of more and more bureaus and agencies endowed with ever broader responsibilities and discretion in defining the rules that govern our activities and our lives. And these rules have the full force of law! Congress has increased the number of rules whose infractions are criminalized, waiving the common law requirement that one knows he is breaking the law. Today, one can be jailed for violating a regulation that one had no reason to know even existed!

  1. While the officials in these agencies are generally good people, they become focused on their particular portfolio of duties, that, often, they cannot see the consequences on other parts of society. Put this together with human nature, and one can see bullying, and misuse of power, especially when these individuals are immune to penalty, and supported by free and extensive legal representation: they have sovereign immunity in their positions.

  1. While not unconstitutional, regulation may be considered extra-constitutional. There may be some point where it is considered to be an unconstitutional delegation of legislative authority to an agency or bureau. Under Obamacare, or Dodd-Frank Reform we see legislation where regulators have not yet determined what the regulation should be…how can Congress allow a law without knowing what the impact will be?

If you are satisfied with being governed by unelected technocrats and bureaucrats, simply admit that the America of the Founders is not for you.
I would rather have people with sound knowledge of their fields giving informed input to the administration and Congress than to politicians. Face it, politicians have their own toolkit of skills, but deep knowledge of any given field is rarely among them.

Yes, regulations are a pain in the ass; I deal with them from the DOE every day, and they only provide 10% of our funding, but a lot of the rest is filtered through the state and other agencies, and they all need to follow those regs, too, to keep the funding rolling in. It's hopeless.

But you and Mr. Buckley haven't presented an alternative, yet.



Part of your problem is that you are willing to be governed by career bean counters.

The other part is that you don't understand the role that regualations play: they are the 'tool' that government officials use to become wealthy....both by the Deep State,and elected pols...e.g., Clintons, Bidens....who write the (unnecessary) regulations that business needs to bribe their way out of.



And they hate Trump for depriving them of that 'tool.'


. "The Economist, in a piece published last month, reported, “the impact of the Trump administration has been dramatic. The flow of new rules is suddenly a dribble. Since Mr Trump was inaugurated the number of regulatory restrictions has grown at about two-fifths of the usual speed.”

....not generally a Trump cheerleader, praised the administration’s approach to financial deregulation as “thoughtful...detailed and rigorous.” It reported, “the new approach in Washington does seem to have boosted business confidence.”



Mr. Trump is focusing on a real problem. ... the growth of federal red tape with a thought experiment explaining the difficulty of even reading, let alone complying with, the government imposed rules.

“The US Code of Federal Regulations — the annually published set of books containing all federal regulations currently in effect — contained 35.4 million words in 1970. A person could read the entire code in just a few days short of a year, assuming he or she read 250 words per minute, 40 hours per week, 50 weeks per year,” ...

“By 2016, there were 104.6 million words of federal regulation on the books, about 195 percent growth over 1970, with a corresponding increase in reading time of almost two years. “

BM has been running full-page newspaper ads boasting that its Watson artificial intelligence capability can help compliance officers “keep up with 20,000 new or modified regulations a year and 200 revisions a day.”....“humans alone are not going to be able to meet these challenges. "
An assessment of the White House’s progress on deregulation
No. I get it. When I worked for the state, there were usually major conflicting policy statements and regs that we had to try and interpret, choose which to follow. If we asked Augusta they gave us a nonanswer like "both."
Rules are meant to be broken, which has always led me to live by the dictum, make as few rules as possible. Bureaucrats go NUTSO developing new policies every time there is a fuckup or a mistake, as if they're going to prevent any such thing ever happening in the future.

It doesn't mean, though, that they are some evil cabal put in place to make politicians rich. That's the silly part, this Deep State theory. These people, at highest levels, ARE political animals and they play political games and spend their time pointing fingers and holding on to their positions. There is no coordinated, planned effort to tangle up the government in great balls of string. It just happens because bureaucracies are like that.
 
Simply admit that the America of the Founders is not for you.

Absolutely I will. 90% of the population were rural farmers. Life was hard. Kids and women had sky high mortality rates. After 240 years of changes, good riddance. Thank the creator that they crafted an update-able Constitution so We the People have the ability to adapt as technology not only threatens the entire world but also continues to shrinks the world. It's a great time to be alive.


I'll help you pack.

For what? The America of the Founders no longer exists.


Why...to leave the country, of course.

You're not the sort of individual one thinks of as having American values.

Well I'm certainly proud of not having your values.

"Today, those who subscribe to the principles of the American Revolution — individual liberty, limited government, the free market, and the rule of law — call themselves by a variety of terms, including conservative, libertarian, classical liberal, and liberal. We see problems with all of those terms. "Conservative" smacks of an unwillingness to change, of a desire to preserve the status quo. Only in America do people seem to refer to free-market capitalism — the most progressive, dynamic, and ever-changing system the world has ever known — as conservative. Additionally, many contemporary American conservatives favor state intervention in some areas, most notably in trade and into our private lives.

"Classical liberal" is a bit closer to the mark, but the word "classical" fails to capture the contemporary vibrancy of the ideas of freedom.

"Liberal" may well be the perfect word in most of the world — the liberals in societies from China to Iran to South Africa to Argentina tend to be supporters of human rights and free markets — but its meaning has clearly been altered in the contemporary United States.

The Jeffersonian philosophy that animates Cato's work has increasingly come to be called "libertarianism" or "market liberalism." It combines an appreciation for entrepreneurship, the market process, and lower taxes with strict respect for civil liberties and skepticism about the benefits of both the welfare state and foreign military adventurism.

This vision brings the wisdom of the American Founders to bear on the problems of today. As did the Founders, it looks to the future with optimism and excitement, eager to discover what great things women and men will do in the coming century. Market liberals appreciate the complexity of a great society, recognizing that socialism and government planning are just too clumsy for the modern world. It is — or used to be — the conventional wisdom that a more complex society needs more government, but the truth is just the opposite. The simpler the society, the less damage government planning does. Planning is cumbersome in an agricultural society, costly in an industrial economy, and impossible in the information age. Today collectivism and planning are outmoded and backward, a drag on social progress.

Libertarians have a cosmopolitan, inclusive vision for society. We applaud the progressive extension of the promises of the Declaration of Independence to more people, especially to women, African-Americans, religious minorities, and gay and lesbian people. Our greatest challenge today is to continue to extend the promise of political freedom and economic opportunity to those who are still denied it, in our own country and around the world."

Cato's Mission



The Founders, classical liberals, conservatives
a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


Fascists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives, Socialists, Communists
b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.


" Franklin Roosevelt had pictured a place where citizens were joined in a collective enterprise ... Reagan pictured a more individualistic America where everyone would flourish once freed from the shackles of the state, and so the watchwords became self-reliance and small government."
The Liberal Crackup

Get it now????
 
Charging Trump with "Quid Pro Quo"???

Really?



6. The most basic question is whether the President sets foreign policy, or the Deep State of career experts does.


While Quid Pro Quo is the charge against the President, the fact is that all of foreign policy is predicated on quid pro quo. In fact, the only time it wasn’t was when Hussein Obama gave the Castro brothers everything they wished, and got noting…..except for a slap in the face….in return.

Obama removes restrictions on Cuba, gets nothing in return. And....he visits, but Raul Castro couldn't be bothered to be at the airport:

" As the plane landed at a rainy Jose Marti International Airport, Mr Obama tweeted: "What's up Cuba? Just touched down here, looking forward to meeting and hearing directly from the Cuban people." The president was greeted by foreign minister Bruno Rodriguez - not president Raul Castro. Instead he will hold talks with his Cuban counterpart on Monday." Obama Arrives In Cuba For Historic Visit

"Both Donald Trump and Sen. Ted Cruz slammed the greeting President Obama and his wife received during their historic touch-down at a Cuban airport, saying the failure of Raul Castro to personally greet them as they exited Air Force One was a slap in the face to America."
www.wnd.com/2016/03/obama-snubbed-castro-fails-to-welcome-air-force-one/#P4htmI3yufsIQ4zM.99






No…wait: Hussein gave lots to Iran without anything in return, unless one counts his pride in providing Iran with nuclear weapons.
 
The problem with your opposition to this comment is that Comey was a republican.

Which proves nothing. It is common knowledge that MANY who have positions opposed to true Conservatives and Constitutional values label themselves as "Republican".

it's a strategy. Everyone knows that today. well, except you.
No true Scotsman would ever be against Trump. :auiqs.jpg:
 
Fascists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives, Socialists, Communists
b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

Get it now????

Yes, I absolutely get you and understand your constant messaging.
 
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Absolutely I will. 90% of the population were rural farmers. Life was hard. Kids and women had sky high mortality rates. After 240 years of changes, good riddance. Thank the creator that they crafted an update-able Constitution so We the People have the ability to adapt as technology not only threatens the entire world but also continues to shrinks the world. It's a great time to be alive.


I'll help you pack.

For what? The America of the Founders no longer exists.


Why...to leave the country, of course.

You're not the sort of individual one thinks of as having American values.

Well I'm certainly proud of not having your values.

"Today, those who subscribe to the principles of the American Revolution — individual liberty, limited government, the free market, and the rule of law — call themselves by a variety of terms, including conservative, libertarian, classical liberal, and liberal. We see problems with all of those terms. "Conservative" smacks of an unwillingness to change, of a desire to preserve the status quo. Only in America do people seem to refer to free-market capitalism — the most progressive, dynamic, and ever-changing system the world has ever known — as conservative. Additionally, many contemporary American conservatives favor state intervention in some areas, most notably in trade and into our private lives.

"Classical liberal" is a bit closer to the mark, but the word "classical" fails to capture the contemporary vibrancy of the ideas of freedom.

"Liberal" may well be the perfect word in most of the world — the liberals in societies from China to Iran to South Africa to Argentina tend to be supporters of human rights and free markets — but its meaning has clearly been altered in the contemporary United States.

The Jeffersonian philosophy that animates Cato's work has increasingly come to be called "libertarianism" or "market liberalism." It combines an appreciation for entrepreneurship, the market process, and lower taxes with strict respect for civil liberties and skepticism about the benefits of both the welfare state and foreign military adventurism.

This vision brings the wisdom of the American Founders to bear on the problems of today. As did the Founders, it looks to the future with optimism and excitement, eager to discover what great things women and men will do in the coming century. Market liberals appreciate the complexity of a great society, recognizing that socialism and government planning are just too clumsy for the modern world. It is — or used to be — the conventional wisdom that a more complex society needs more government, but the truth is just the opposite. The simpler the society, the less damage government planning does. Planning is cumbersome in an agricultural society, costly in an industrial economy, and impossible in the information age. Today collectivism and planning are outmoded and backward, a drag on social progress.

Libertarians have a cosmopolitan, inclusive vision for society. We applaud the progressive extension of the promises of the Declaration of Independence to more people, especially to women, African-Americans, religious minorities, and gay and lesbian people. Our greatest challenge today is to continue to extend the promise of political freedom and economic opportunity to those who are still denied it, in our own country and around the world."

Cato's Mission



The Founders, classical liberals, conservatives
a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


Fascists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives, Socialists, Communists
b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.


" Franklin Roosevelt had pictured a place where citizens were joined in a collective enterprise ... Reagan pictured a more individualistic America where everyone would flourish once freed from the shackles of the state, and so the watchwords became self-reliance and small government."
The Liberal Crackup

Get it now????
In the real world, as opposed to the ideological utopia you dream about, every country and every society is a mix of liberal and conservative ideals, libertarian and authoritarian politics, communist and free market economics. The mix is always different and evolving but never purely one or the other extreme and for good reason, in the real world the extremes are dangerous, unstable, and ineffective.
 
Charging Trump with "Quid Pro Quo"???

Really?



6. The most basic question is whether the President sets foreign policy, or the Deep State of career experts does.


While Quid Pro Quo is the charge against the President, the fact is that all of foreign policy is predicated on quid pro quo. In fact, the only time it wasn’t was when Hussein Obama gave the Castro brothers everything they wished, and got noting…..except for a slap in the face….in return.

Obama removes restrictions on Cuba, gets nothing in return. And....he visits, but Raul Castro couldn't be bothered to be at the airport:

" As the plane landed at a rainy Jose Marti International Airport, Mr Obama tweeted: "What's up Cuba? Just touched down here, looking forward to meeting and hearing directly from the Cuban people." The president was greeted by foreign minister Bruno Rodriguez - not president Raul Castro. Instead he will hold talks with his Cuban counterpart on Monday." Obama Arrives In Cuba For Historic Visit

"Both Donald Trump and Sen. Ted Cruz slammed the greeting President Obama and his wife received during their historic touch-down at a Cuban airport, saying the failure of Raul Castro to personally greet them as they exited Air Force One was a slap in the face to America."
www.wnd.com/2016/03/obama-snubbed-castro-fails-to-welcome-air-force-one/#P4htmI3yufsIQ4zM.99






No…wait: Hussein gave lots to Iran without anything in return, unless one counts his pride in providing Iran with nuclear weapons.
I have to admit, Trump go no quid pro quo when he moved the US embassy to Jerusalem. In fact he got nothing but a thank you.
 
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