The 'Deep State:' Fact Or Fable

[xyz]

You don't read that well: I didn't say you've read Hegel, Marx and Rousseau....I said that government schooling is based on these, rather than America's Founders.

Oh, yeah, clearly, all Americans are taught that since elementary school, just like in the Soviet Union. And to be fair, they were probably just taught about Marx and Engels in elementary school in the Soviet Union.

What are you trying to say?

Take your time...and focus like a laser.

You're not very sharp, are you?

Of course I am....the problem is that you aren't articulate in the least.


You're a government school grad, huh?

Yeah, so you're a rich private school brat?

 

[PoliticalChic]

You don't read that well: I didn't say you've read Hegel, Marx and Rousseau....I said that government schooling is based on these, rather than America's Founders.

Oh, yeah, clearly, all Americans are taught that since elementary school, just like in the Soviet Union. And to be fair, they were probably just taught about Marx and Engels in elementary school in the Soviet Union.

What are you trying to say?

Take your time...and focus like a laser.

You're not very sharp, are you?

Of course I am....the problem is that you aren't articulate in the least.


You're a government school grad, huh?

Yeah, so you're a rich private school brat?

We're discussing you, and your inability to post a coherent and articulate message.

It indicates government schooling....what Liberals call 'education,' with you as the result.

"Let me give you a little tip: if you want liberalism to continue in this country, you have to realize that liberal students are being let down by their professors! They have liberal school teachers, and read the liberal press! Because of this weak preparation, they are unable to argue, to think beyond the first knee-jerk impulse. They can’t put together a logical thought. Now, compare that to a college Republican…:
Coulter

 

[xyz]

Oh, yeah, clearly, all Americans are taught that since elementary school, just like in the Soviet Union. And to be fair, they were probably just taught about Marx and Engels in elementary school in the Soviet Union.

What are you trying to say?

Take your time...and focus like a laser.

You're not very sharp, are you?

Of course I am....the problem is that you aren't articulate in the least.


You're a government school grad, huh?

Yeah, so you're a rich private school brat?

We're discussing you, and your inability to post a coherent and articulate message.

It indicates government schooling....what Liberals call 'education,' with you as the result.

"Let me give you a little tip: if you want liberalism to continue in this country, you have to realize that liberal students are being let down by their professors! They have liberal school teachers, and read the liberal press! Because of this weak preparation, they are unable to argue, to think beyond the first knee-jerk impulse. They can’t put together a logical thought. Now, compare that to a college Republican…:
Coulter

You just admitted you know squat about Soviet schools and are rambling nonsense about liberal colleges.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What are you trying to say?

Take your time...and focus like a laser.

You're not very sharp, are you?

Of course I am....the problem is that you aren't articulate in the least.


You're a government school grad, huh?

Yeah, so you're a rich private school brat?

We're discussing you, and your inability to post a coherent and articulate message.

It indicates government schooling....what Liberals call 'education,' with you as the result.

"Let me give you a little tip: if you want liberalism to continue in this country, you have to realize that liberal students are being let down by their professors! They have liberal school teachers, and read the liberal press! Because of this weak preparation, they are unable to argue, to think beyond the first knee-jerk impulse. They can’t put together a logical thought. Now, compare that to a college Republican…:
Coulter

You just admitted you know squat about Soviet schools and are rambling nonsense about liberal colleges.

Nay, nay....you just admitted that you are a dunce.....given three opportunities to post a clear response to the post that brought you crawling in....and you couldn't.


Three strikes.....

 

[xyz]

You're not very sharp, are you?

Of course I am....the problem is that you aren't articulate in the least.


You're a government school grad, huh?

Yeah, so you're a rich private school brat?

We're discussing you, and your inability to post a coherent and articulate message.

It indicates government schooling....what Liberals call 'education,' with you as the result.

"Let me give you a little tip: if you want liberalism to continue in this country, you have to realize that liberal students are being let down by their professors! They have liberal school teachers, and read the liberal press! Because of this weak preparation, they are unable to argue, to think beyond the first knee-jerk impulse. They can’t put together a logical thought. Now, compare that to a college Republican…:
Coulter

You just admitted you know squat about Soviet schools and are rambling nonsense about liberal colleges.

Nay, nay....you just admitted that you are a dunce.....given three opportunities to post a clear response to the post that brought you crawling in....and you couldn't.


Three strikes.....

You're so full of it, your arguments are just trolling.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Of course I am....the problem is that you aren't articulate in the least.


You're a government school grad, huh?

Yeah, so you're a rich private school brat?

We're discussing you, and your inability to post a coherent and articulate message.

It indicates government schooling....what Liberals call 'education,' with you as the result.

"Let me give you a little tip: if you want liberalism to continue in this country, you have to realize that liberal students are being let down by their professors! They have liberal school teachers, and read the liberal press! Because of this weak preparation, they are unable to argue, to think beyond the first knee-jerk impulse. They can’t put together a logical thought. Now, compare that to a college Republican…:
Coulter

You just admitted you know squat about Soviet schools and are rambling nonsense about liberal colleges.

Nay, nay....you just admitted that you are a dunce.....given three opportunities to post a clear response to the post that brought you crawling in....and you couldn't.


Three strikes.....

You're so full of it, your arguments are just trolling.

Take a seat....you struck out......again.

 

[xyz]

Plus at the college level, private schools can be just as liberal as state colleges. So even your arguments are null.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Resistance Royalty: Pelosi, Soros Headline Left’s Biggest Dark Money Conference
Resistance Royalty: Pelosi, Soros Headline Left's Biggest Dark Money Conference

Not only does Deep State exist, they meet in secret and are responsible for the daily attacks on our President, the buzz words the media shout in unison, the critical ads and fake poles painting Trump and his followers in a constant negative light.
And half of this country is being fooled by them.

Soros makes no bones about taking America down. So ask yourself, why is Nancy colluding with her buddy at a meeting designed to divide us even further? She and Soros are as close as pants and ass. She wants Soros to win and give her lots of money for helping him.
What was CNN doing there? They weren't there to report on the conference and guests, so what are they doing there?

We are in the fight of our lives for this country, and half of us don't even recognize the enemy. To the contrary, they give them their vote of approval. One Democrat in the White House will welcome the U.N. with open arms. That is how close we are to losing this war...

 

[alang1216]

It marks you as the sort who believed every one of the Democrat ploys....Russia, Stormy, obstruction, racist, Charlottesville, Quid Pro Quo, Ukraine, and hasn't learned as each and every one fails.

"fails' must be a term you're personally wedded to, huh?

Yet every 'ploy' is based on verifiable fact. 'Fact' is obviously not a term you're personally wedded to, huh?

 

[xyz]

And you are really confused between what a "liberal education" is, and liberal political convictions. They don't necessarily have to be the same.

 

[Questioner]

And you are really confused between what a "liberal education" is, and liberal political convictions. They don't necessarily have to be the same.

"Liberal" in the education sense had nothing to do with liberal as in left-wing or progressive politics. (A conservative philosopher such as Russell Kirk is an example of a liberal education of the conservative variety).

This may be where popular myths such as "liberals being smarter than conservatives" came from (though I believe it was John Stuart Mill who popularized that notion as well); in practice most of the media, whether "progressive" or otherwise is aimed at the 6th-grade to high school reading level, so obviously an educated conservative will be smarter than a "liberal" who doesn't read books and uses propaganda like "Media Matters" as their only source of information.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Plus at the college level, private schools can be just as liberal as state colleges. So even your arguments are null.

This is not government school: you failed....now you're out.

Beat it.

 

[Questioner]

Plus at the college level, private schools can be just as liberal as state colleges. So even your arguments are null.

This is not government school: you failed....now you're out.

Beat it.

Show me what curriculum is based off of Marx, Hegel, or Rousseau.

"Anti-government" views, if practiced consistently would be anarchy, which has more in common with Rousseau than with the Founders, who wanted limited government, not anarchy. Rousseau was effectively an anarchist, so more or less the polar opposite of Hegel from what I know of.

"No government" would mean no Constitution, no Bill of Rights, no courts, and so forth.

 

[PoliticalChic]

It marks you as the sort who believed every one of the Democrat ploys....Russia, Stormy, obstruction, racist, Charlottesville, Quid Pro Quo, Ukraine, and hasn't learned as each and every one fails.

"fails' must be a term you're personally wedded to, huh?

Yet every 'ploy' is based on verifiable fact. 'Fact' is obviously not a term you're personally wedded to, huh?

Watch how easily I prove you the liar.


You wrote: "Obstruction of justice as outlined in the Mueller Report"

Where's the quote stating such.

If you can't provide such a quote.....I demand you change your avi to 'Low-LifeLyingLiberal"......forthwith.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Plus at the college level, private schools can be just as liberal as state colleges. So even your arguments are null.

This is not government school: you failed....now you're out.

Beat it.

Show me what curriculum is based off of Marx, Hegel, or Rousseau.

America was founded by religious men, followers of the Judeo-Christian faith.


What is the attitude toward religion in government school?


Here's a hint.

"The biblical view holds that wisdom begins with acknowledging God. The secular view is that is that God is unnecessary for wisdom, and the left-wing view is that God is destructive to wisdom. But if you want to know which view is more accurate, look at the most godless and Bible-less institution in our society: the universities.

They are, without competition, the most foolish institutions in our society.

For nearly all of American history, the Bible was the most important book in America. It is no longer. This is a moral and intellectual catastrophe."
Why the Left Mocks the Bible

 

[CWayne]

Is The “Deep State” A Fable?

No…it’s a fact.




1.Government school grads will deny the fact 'til their dying day.
There are two reasons why government school grads regularly claim that there is no “Deep State:”

a.They are trying to obviate the argument that there is a cabal in our government that is aimed at reversing the 2016 election.

b.They are ignorant of the Progressive doctrine, from Woodrow Wilson on, that government should be run by unelected bureaucrats who will do a better job than the deplorables.

“Rather than the people being governed by elected representatives, the three branches, “Woodrow Wilson gave the administrative state its rationale: he held that government by nonpartisan, public-spirited, Ivy League–trained experts making rules in such agencies as the Federal Trade Commission or the Interstate Commerce Commission would be infinitely wiser, more efficient, and more responsive to changing conditions and the evolving spirit of the age than the Framers’ government of limited and separated powers, a clockwork relic in the electricity age.

….ever since the New Deal supersized Wilson’s system, administrative agencies have multiplied like the Sorcerer’s Apprentice’s brooms, so that federal regulations now spill out of 240 volumes—and not only overregulated businessmen, infrastructure planners, and a few law professors, but also Supreme Court justices, have begun to wonder by what legitimate authority unelected bureaucrats can make rules like a legislature, carry them out like an executive, and adjudicate and punish infractions of them like a judiciary, usurping powers that the Constitution places solely in the Congress, the president, and the courts, with no two powers concentrated in the same hands.” The Court Moves Right
The Court Moves Right




2. Government school grads have been totally weaned away from the Founder’s view that free citizens elect….vote into office….those who rule them. Hence, the indoctrinated deny that they are the sheep being herded by unelected bureaucrats, diplomats, career government workers who are in charge….the Deep State.

And the Deep State….which clearly exists….is fighting to prove that the great unwashed must be chastised for electing a candidate not of their choosing…..giving us, first Russiagate, and now Ukrainegate.




3. “People capable of feeling shame would not have immediately followed up the Russiagate hoax fiasco with another transparently phony—and in “substance” nearly identical—attempt to remove President Trump from office, overturn the 2016 election, and shower deplorable-Americans with contempt and hatred. But our ruling elites have no shame.”
The Empire Strikes Back

4. Those people….described here…..ran, and testified at the recent Democrat committee hearing, mislabeled as the ‘Impeachment Inquiry,’…

“Beginning in the late 19th century and intensifying in the mid-1960s, elites inside and outside our government have centralized authority in a “fourth branch,” the executive branch’s agencies and bureaucracies. Marini refers to those institutions, the people in them, and their governing philosophy and methods as “the administrative state.” Administrative state rule is fundamentally anti-democratic and anti-constitutional, intended to be rule by “expert consensus.” Ibid.



This is the Deep State.

It claims to be the real American government.

There is no ‘deep state’ – the notion is just another rightwing lie.

LOL

Two words.l

Administrative Law.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Is The “Deep State” A Fable?

No…it’s a fact.




1.Government school grads will deny the fact 'til their dying day.
There are two reasons why government school grads regularly claim that there is no “Deep State:”

a.They are trying to obviate the argument that there is a cabal in our government that is aimed at reversing the 2016 election.

b.They are ignorant of the Progressive doctrine, from Woodrow Wilson on, that government should be run by unelected bureaucrats who will do a better job than the deplorables.

“Rather than the people being governed by elected representatives, the three branches, “Woodrow Wilson gave the administrative state its rationale: he held that government by nonpartisan, public-spirited, Ivy League–trained experts making rules in such agencies as the Federal Trade Commission or the Interstate Commerce Commission would be infinitely wiser, more efficient, and more responsive to changing conditions and the evolving spirit of the age than the Framers’ government of limited and separated powers, a clockwork relic in the electricity age.

….ever since the New Deal supersized Wilson’s system, administrative agencies have multiplied like the Sorcerer’s Apprentice’s brooms, so that federal regulations now spill out of 240 volumes—and not only overregulated businessmen, infrastructure planners, and a few law professors, but also Supreme Court justices, have begun to wonder by what legitimate authority unelected bureaucrats can make rules like a legislature, carry them out like an executive, and adjudicate and punish infractions of them like a judiciary, usurping powers that the Constitution places solely in the Congress, the president, and the courts, with no two powers concentrated in the same hands.” The Court Moves Right
The Court Moves Right




2. Government school grads have been totally weaned away from the Founder’s view that free citizens elect….vote into office….those who rule them. Hence, the indoctrinated deny that they are the sheep being herded by unelected bureaucrats, diplomats, career government workers who are in charge….the Deep State.

And the Deep State….which clearly exists….is fighting to prove that the great unwashed must be chastised for electing a candidate not of their choosing…..giving us, first Russiagate, and now Ukrainegate.




3. “People capable of feeling shame would not have immediately followed up the Russiagate hoax fiasco with another transparently phony—and in “substance” nearly identical—attempt to remove President Trump from office, overturn the 2016 election, and shower deplorable-Americans with contempt and hatred. But our ruling elites have no shame.”
The Empire Strikes Back

4. Those people….described here…..ran, and testified at the recent Democrat committee hearing, mislabeled as the ‘Impeachment Inquiry,’…

“Beginning in the late 19th century and intensifying in the mid-1960s, elites inside and outside our government have centralized authority in a “fourth branch,” the executive branch’s agencies and bureaucracies. Marini refers to those institutions, the people in them, and their governing philosophy and methods as “the administrative state.” Administrative state rule is fundamentally anti-democratic and anti-constitutional, intended to be rule by “expert consensus.” Ibid.



This is the Deep State.

It claims to be the real American government.

There is no ‘deep state’ – the notion is just another rightwing lie.

LOL

Two words.l

Administrative Law.

Everything changed when Progressives took over law schools. They taught law students
a) that there was no natural law, nor unalienable rights, and
b) that the Constitution is altered by case law.
This meant American lawyers interpreting the Constitution via caselaw rather than through studying the Constitution itself.


Roscoe Pound.


a. Roscoe Pound (1870-1964), Dean of Harvard Law School, instituted the "taught legal tradition." Pound firmly believed that the implementation of the principles of the taught legal tradition by wise common-law judges resulted in substantive change, which reflected changes in society. As the interpreters of the common law, judges had a special duty to consider the practical effects of their decisions and to strive to ensure that judging facilitated rather than hindered societal growth.” Roscoe Pound - definition of Roscoe Pound by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
What was evident in his first published book in law, common with Progressives, was his deep indebtedness to German modes of thinking.



b. Pound sought to adjust principles and doctrines of law to the realities of the human condition…. wanted to extract wisdom from German social science to apply to American law.: law must leave "conceptions" and open itself up to social realities of the modern world.”… the backwardness of law in meeting social ends,…”
roscoe pound and jurisprudence and 1903 and nebraska and harvard law school

A true social-justice warrior.....but far from a constitutionalist.



c. He was perhaps the chief U.S. advocate of sociological jurisprudence, which holds that statutes and court decisions are affected by social conditions; his ideas apparently influenced the New Deal programs of Pres. Franklin D. Roosevelt.
Roscoe Pound: Biography from Answers.com



This is the sort of jurist that need be extirpated from the system.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Instead of following the Constitution, 'social justice' is to be pursued from the bench by following the dictates of unelected judges.....caselaw.

"Christopher Columbus Langdell ....Before Langdell's tenure, the study of law was a technical pursuit. Students were told what the law is. However, at Harvard Langdell applied the principles of pragmatism to the study of law. Now, as a result of this innovation, lawyers are taught the law through a dialectical process of inference called the case method. The case method has been the primary method of pedagogy at American law schools ever since. The case method has since been adopted and improved upon by schools in other disciplines, such as business, public policy, and education. Students such as Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. would ensure that Langdell's innovation would not go unnoticed. Christopher Columbus Langdell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


There is no excuse for this corruption of jurisprudence except for a hatred of America.

 

[Questioner]

America was founded by religious men, followers of the Judeo-Christian faith.

Their Christianity wasn't "the same" as others. My understanding though is that they did respect the wisdom of the Bible and other thinkers, such as the Puritans, but their system was not a direct copy of the text of the Bible and included other lines of thinking which had developed over the centuries.

The Bible and other older legal system did play a role in the development of Common Law, which is what the states are governed by. (Common Law is effectively based off of the Golden Rule, or respect for people, their families, their property, and so forth - which interestingly was a principle which the Ten Commandants seemed to include - nevertheless, the governmental systems of America were not a direct copy of the Bible or the Ten Commandments, but were much more complicated than that).

What is the attitude toward religion in government school?

Non-sequitur.

Here's a hint.

"The biblical view holds that wisdom begins with acknowledging God. The secular view is that is that God is unnecessary for wisdom, and the left-wing view is that God is destructive to wisdom. But if you want to know which view is more accurate, look at the most godless and Bible-less institution in our society: the universities.

They are, without competition, the most foolish institutions in our society.

For nearly all of American history, the Bible was the most important book in America. It is no longer. This is a moral and intellectual catastrophe."
Why the Left Mocks the Bible

The governmental system of the Biblical Old Testament was more or less an authoritarian system ruled by religious elites or kings, and didn't contain a Constitution or Bill of Rights. Something more akin to a monarchy, given it was an Iron Age government after all.

So no, if you're comparing the Constitution and the Bill of Rights to the legal system of Iron Age Israel, they wouldn't be the same. (Given that you're a woman, I'm unsure if you would have been allowed to participate in government, unless you were born into a royal family, like that of the Biblical Queen Ester).

 

[PoliticalChic]

America was founded by religious men, followers of the Judeo-Christian faith.

Their Christianity wasn't "the same" as others. My understanding though is that they did respect the wisdom of the Bible and other thinkers, such as the Puritans, but their system was not a direct copy of the text of the Bible.

The Bible and other older legal system did play a role in the development of Common Law, which is what the states are governed by. (Common Law is effectively based off of the Golden Rule, or respect for people, their families, their property, and so forth - which interestingly was a principle which the Ten Commandants seemed to include - nevertheless, the governmental systems of America were not a direct copy of the Bible or the Ten Commandments, but were much more complicated than that).

What is the attitude toward religion in government school?

Non-sequitur.

Here's a hint.

"The biblical view holds that wisdom begins with acknowledging God. The secular view is that is that God is unnecessary for wisdom, and the left-wing view is that God is destructive to wisdom. But if you want to know which view is more accurate, look at the most godless and Bible-less institution in our society: the universities.

They are, without competition, the most foolish institutions in our society.

For nearly all of American history, the Bible was the most important book in America. It is no longer. This is a moral and intellectual catastrophe."
Why the Left Mocks the Bible

The governmental system of the Biblical Old Testament was more or less an authoritarian system ruled by religious elites or kings, and didn't contain a Constitution or Bill of Rights. Something more akin to a monarchy, given it was an Iron Age government after all.

So no, if you're comparing the Constitution and the Bill of Rights to the legal system of Iron Age Israel, they wouldn't be the same. (Given that you're a woman, I'm unsure if you would have been allowed to participate in government, unless you were born into a royal family, like that of the Biblical Queen Ester).

Good thing you dropped by.....you have so very much to learn.


The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html
Believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known today, “an extremist Fundementalist hate group.”


There is a clear reference to Jesus Christ in the Constitution, and four references to the Biblical God in the Declaration.



The Constitution provides for an observance of the Sabbath in its Presentment Clause, mandating that the President has ten days, excluding Sundays, to veto a bill lest it become binding.

And the instrument was framed with a view to the Declaration, which unequivocally bestows gratitude on the God of the Bible for America's independence.




1. The most quoted source was the Bible. Established in the original writings of our Founding Fathers we find that they discovered in Isaiah 33:22 the three branches of government: Isaiah 33:22 “For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.” Here we see the judicial, the legislative and the executive branches. In Ezra 7:24 we see where they established the tax exempt status of the church: Ezra 7:24 “Also we certify you, that touching any of the priests and Levites, singers, porters, Nethinims, or ministers of this house of God, it shall not be lawful to impose toll, tribute, or custom, upon them.”

When we look at our Constitution we see in Article 4 Section 4 that we are guaranteed a Republican form of government, that was found in Exodus 18“Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens:” This indicates that we are to choose, or elect God fearing men and women. Looking at Article 3 Section 3 we see almost word for word Deuteronomy 17:6: ‘No person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the testimony of two Witnesses. . .’ Deuteronomy 17:6 “At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses. . .”. The next paragraph in Article 3 Section 3 refers to who should pay the price for treason. In England, they could punish the sons for the trespasses of the father, if the father died.
Roger Anghis -- Bring America Back To Her Religious Roots, Part 7