The damage done by the New Partisans

[Bfgrn]

The Eisenhower Republican Party vs. Today’s Tea Party Republicans:

In 1956, the Republican Party boasted that under Eisenhower “the Federal minimum wage has been raised for more than 2 million workers.”

Today, the Texas Republican Party wants to “repeal the minimum wage.”

In 1956, the Republican Party promised to “extend the protection of the Federal minimum wage laws to as many more workers as is possible and practicable.”

Today, the lead Republican in the Senate on labor issues wants to abolish the minimum wage.

In 1956, the Republican Party proudly stated that under Eisenhower “Social Security has been extended to an additional 10 million workers and the benefits raised for 6 1/2 million.”

Today, the Texas Republican Party wants to abolish Social Security.

In 1956, the Republican Party platform pledged that it would work to “assure equal pay for equal work regardless of Sex.”

Last year, every Republican in the Senate voted against the Paycheck Fairness Act to assure equal pay for equal work.

In 1956, the Republican Party boasted that under Eisenhower “the protection of unemployment insurance has been brought to 4 million additional workers.”

Today, the Republican Party wants to end unemployment benefits for hundreds of thousands of Americans who have lost their jobs through no fault of their own.

In 1956, the Republican Party was proud that under Eisenhower, “unions have grown in strength and responsibility, and have increased their membership by 2 million.”

Today, Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham said that abolishing the National Labor Relations Board, the federal agency in charge of protecting the rights of workers, would be considered “progress.”

In 1956, the Republican Party said “the protection of the right of workers to organize into unions and to bargain collectively is the firm and permanent policy of the Eisenhower Administration.”

Today, Republican Governors and legislators have undermined collective bargaining rights in Wisconsin, Indiana, Ohio and other states.

In 1956, the Republican Party pledged to “maintain and continue the vigorous administration of the Federal prevailing minimum wage law for public supply contracts.”

Today, the Republican Party wants to repeal prevailing wage laws and significantly cut the pay of millions of workers.

In 1956, the Republican Party platform stated “Republican action created the Department of Health, Education and Welfare as the first new Federal department in 40 years.”

Today, the Texas Republican Party wants to abolish the U.S. Department of Education.

 

[Clementine]

One thing I notice is that while people tend to stay true to party and defend anything their candidates do, their views on different issues aren't along party lines. I have friends who are Democrats and they will insult Republicans every chance they get, yet I constantly see posts on Facebook that make me realize they aren't as true to party as they might think. I laugh when I see posts promoting Hillary Clinton and the next post will be insisting that all welfare recipients get drug tested or complain that race baiters, like Sharpton, are cheating on taxes. Of course, the Dems won't agree to drug testing or say a negative word about Sharpton or any other Dem who cheated on taxes. I played a nasty trick on my in-laws, who are loyal Democrats. I repeated, almost verbatim, some statements made by conservative politicians (without mentioning that) and they agreed wholeheartedly with everything I said. Then they went on to say that's why they would vote for Dukakis, who was running at the time. I just have to laugh. Truth is that most people aren't completely left or right.

What does bother me is the way so many really believe that liberals care about the little people despite no real progress in the war on poverty. I guess some people just enjoy hearing politicians claim they will make the rich people pay more, but even when Dems had power, they didn't follow through on the campaign promises.

That is another issue that bugs me. Every time someone gets elected, it will be pointed out that they broke this or that campaign promise and people will say that no one really takes campaign speeches and promises seriously anyway. Then when another election rolls around, the same people listen to campaign speeches and vote based on those.

Most people don't do their homework when it comes to what politicians are doing in Washington. Lord knows you shouldn't count on some news programs to give you the whole scoop. But people don't realize that so-called news and even late night talk shows hosts are shaping opinions on politics. Once lies and other propaganda are put out there enough times, people start to believe it. There are false pictures painted of politicians and lies are taken as facts. Few have the time or desire to learn anything on their own, so rely on some questionable sources. They vote and then they wonder why things never change.

I will say that liberals are more vicious and far less tolerant. I've had liberal friends "unfriend" me after being upset at my posts. One didn't like my post in support of Herman Cain. They are such big babies that they can't tolerate seeing something they disagree with posted on Facebook, so they must delete all those with opposing views

 

[Missourian]

After the fall of the Soviet Union in the late '80's, the right no longer had the "Red Scare" to propagate, they replaced it with the "socialism/communism/progressive/leftist/green scare"

Wrong.
Next.

As usual, you are obtuse to the core of the issue.

-- Up until the mid-1980s, the typical American held the view that partisans on the other side operated with good intentions. But that has changed in dramatic fashion, as a study published last year by Stanford and Princeton researchers demonstrates.

I vehemently opposed Bush's invasion of Iraq, his sanction of torture, his environmental policies, his economic policies...the list is long. BUT, BIG BUT...I never accused Bush of loving America or accused him of having loyalty to another country or that he hated America.

The right can't make that claim...

You can blame Obama for that one.

Do you love your wife?

Do you want to fundamentally transform her?

Go tell her that..."I love you Baby, but I want to fundamentally transform you."

Better have your divorce lawyer on speed dial.

 

[zeke]

You can blame Obama for that one.

Face it dude. According to people like you (ODS sufferers) Obama can be blamed for everything. There is nothing that the all powerful Obama can't be blamed for. According to Obama Derangement sufferers.

Obama caused the sun to rise this morning but it wouldn't shine. Powerful stuff that Obama has. He can stop the tides if he wanted to. He can even make Ted Cruz look like an idiot. Oh wait a minute, Ted doesn't need Obama for that.

 

[Iceweasel]

You can blame Obama for that one.

Face it dude. According to people like you (ODS sufferers) Obama can be blamed for everything. There is nothing that the all powerful Obama can't be blamed for. According to Obama Derangement sufferers.

Obama caused the sun to rise this morning but it wouldn't shine. Powerful stuff that Obama has. He can stop the tides if he wanted to. He can even make Ted Cruz look like an idiot. Oh wait a minute, Ted doesn't need Obama for that.

Trying to reuse the Bush Derangement Syndrome to excuse all things obama is lame. But lame is what you do. It's just an attempt to shut down opposition. There are no obama protest marches, hanging effigies, assassination movies, pants on fire rallys, etc. that is associated with the disease. But thanks for your nonpartisan contribution.

 

[The Rabbi]

The Eisenhower Republican Party vs. Today’s Tea Party Republicans:

In 1956, the Republican Party boasted that under Eisenhower “the Federal minimum wage has been raised for more than 2 million workers.”

Today, the Texas Republican Party wants to “repeal the minimum wage.”

In 1956, the Republican Party promised to “extend the protection of the Federal minimum wage laws to as many more workers as is possible and practicable.”

Today, the lead Republican in the Senate on labor issues wants to abolish the minimum wage.

In 1956, the Republican Party proudly stated that under Eisenhower “Social Security has been extended to an additional 10 million workers and the benefits raised for 6 1/2 million.”

Today, the Texas Republican Party wants to abolish Social Security.

In 1956, the Republican Party platform pledged that it would work to “assure equal pay for equal work regardless of Sex.”

Last year, every Republican in the Senate voted against the Paycheck Fairness Act to assure equal pay for equal work.

In 1956, the Republican Party boasted that under Eisenhower “the protection of unemployment insurance has been brought to 4 million additional workers.”

Today, the Republican Party wants to end unemployment benefits for hundreds of thousands of Americans who have lost their jobs through no fault of their own.

In 1956, the Republican Party was proud that under Eisenhower, “unions have grown in strength and responsibility, and have increased their membership by 2 million.”

Today, Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham said that abolishing the National Labor Relations Board, the federal agency in charge of protecting the rights of workers, would be considered “progress.”

In 1956, the Republican Party said “the protection of the right of workers to organize into unions and to bargain collectively is the firm and permanent policy of the Eisenhower Administration.”

Today, Republican Governors and legislators have undermined collective bargaining rights in Wisconsin, Indiana, Ohio and other states.

In 1956, the Republican Party pledged to “maintain and continue the vigorous administration of the Federal prevailing minimum wage law for public supply contracts.”

Today, the Republican Party wants to repeal prevailing wage laws and significantly cut the pay of millions of workers.

In 1956, the Republican Party platform stated “Republican action created the Department of Health, Education and Welfare as the first new Federal department in 40 years.”

Today, the Texas Republican Party wants to abolish the U.S. Department of Education.

Eisenhower was a RINO.
The GOP has always had a statist wing, like Nixon. But at least they were men of integrity, especially compared to today's Democrats.
If you really want to see deterioration look at the Dems. The party that produced JFK, Humphrey, Scoop Jackson, LBJ, and Adlai Stevenson at best can muster an aged has been who's biggest claim to being qualified for the presidency is that she lived int he White House for 8 years. And she's the only serious candidate. The air has been sucked out of the Democrat clown car.

 

[gipper]

The Eisenhower Republican Party vs. Today’s Tea Party Republicans:

In 1956, the Republican Party boasted that under Eisenhower “the Federal minimum wage has been raised for more than 2 million workers.”

Today, the Texas Republican Party wants to “repeal the minimum wage.”

In 1956, the Republican Party promised to “extend the protection of the Federal minimum wage laws to as many more workers as is possible and practicable.”

Today, the lead Republican in the Senate on labor issues wants to abolish the minimum wage.

In 1956, the Republican Party proudly stated that under Eisenhower “Social Security has been extended to an additional 10 million workers and the benefits raised for 6 1/2 million.”

Today, the Texas Republican Party wants to abolish Social Security.

In 1956, the Republican Party platform pledged that it would work to “assure equal pay for equal work regardless of Sex.”

Last year, every Republican in the Senate voted against the Paycheck Fairness Act to assure equal pay for equal work.

In 1956, the Republican Party boasted that under Eisenhower “the protection of unemployment insurance has been brought to 4 million additional workers.”

Today, the Republican Party wants to end unemployment benefits for hundreds of thousands of Americans who have lost their jobs through no fault of their own.

In 1956, the Republican Party was proud that under Eisenhower, “unions have grown in strength and responsibility, and have increased their membership by 2 million.”

Today, Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham said that abolishing the National Labor Relations Board, the federal agency in charge of protecting the rights of workers, would be considered “progress.”

In 1956, the Republican Party said “the protection of the right of workers to organize into unions and to bargain collectively is the firm and permanent policy of the Eisenhower Administration.”

Today, Republican Governors and legislators have undermined collective bargaining rights in Wisconsin, Indiana, Ohio and other states.

In 1956, the Republican Party pledged to “maintain and continue the vigorous administration of the Federal prevailing minimum wage law for public supply contracts.”

Today, the Republican Party wants to repeal prevailing wage laws and significantly cut the pay of millions of workers.

In 1956, the Republican Party platform stated “Republican action created the Department of Health, Education and Welfare as the first new Federal department in 40 years.”

Today, the Texas Republican Party wants to abolish the U.S. Department of Education.

Eisenhower was a RINO.
The GOP has always had a statist wing, like Nixon. But at least they were men of integrity, especially compared to today's Democrats.
If you really want to see deterioration look at the Dems. The party that produced JFK, Humphrey, Scoop Jackson, LBJ, and Adlai Stevenson at best can muster an aged has been who's biggest claim to being qualified for the presidency is that she lived int he White House for 8 years. And she's the only serious candidate. The air has been sucked out of the Democrat clown car.

The GOP is a statist party and always has been. The entire leadership are statists. Not unlike the D party.

Both parties deficit spend, expand the power of government, and promote foreign interventions around the world. Both do the bidding of the wealthy, big corps, and Wall Street.

There are differences, but they are slight. Yet millions of Americans hate one or the other party, when in reality there is little difference.

 

[Iceweasel]

The GOP is a statist party and always has been. The entire leadership are statists. Not unlike the D party.

Both parties deficit spend, expand the power of government, and promote foreign interventions around the world. Both do the bidding of the wealthy, big corps, and Wall Street.

There are differences, but they are slight. Yet millions of Americans hate one or the other party, when in reality there is little difference.

For starters, during his first year in office Reagan cut domestic programs by 39 billion. Get a little knowledge before you post. Don't be afraid, your brain won't explode.

 

[gipper]

The GOP is a statist party and always has been. The entire leadership are statists. Not unlike the D party.

Both parties deficit spend, expand the power of government, and promote foreign interventions around the world. Both do the bidding of the wealthy, big corps, and Wall Street.

There are differences, but they are slight. Yet millions of Americans hate one or the other party, when in reality there is little difference.

For starters, during his first year in office Reagan cut domestic programs by 39 billion. Get a little knowledge before you post. Don't be afraid, your brain won't explode.

Oh brother...did he reduce the size of government or the national debt? Did he stop the abortion holocaust? Did he scale back the size of the military industrial complex? Did he eliminate ONE government agency?

Reagan did a few things right, but all POTUS' do a few things right. But in the end, he expanded the power of the State...like all the others.

 

[Iceweasel]

The GOP is a statist party and always has been. The entire leadership are statists. Not unlike the D party.

Both parties deficit spend, expand the power of government, and promote foreign interventions around the world. Both do the bidding of the wealthy, big corps, and Wall Street.

There are differences, but they are slight. Yet millions of Americans hate one or the other party, when in reality there is little difference.

For starters, during his first year in office Reagan cut domestic programs by 39 billion. Get a little knowledge before you post. Don't be afraid, your brain won't explode.

Oh brother...did he reduce the size of government or the national debt? Did he stop the abortion holocaust? Did he scale back the size of the military industrial complex? Did he eliminate ONE government agency?

Reagan did a few things right, but all POTUS' do a few things right. But in the end, he expanded the power of the State...like all the others.

Cutting 39 billion didn't reduce government? WTF?

 

[The Rabbi]

The GOP is a statist party and always has been. The entire leadership are statists. Not unlike the D party.

Both parties deficit spend, expand the power of government, and promote foreign interventions around the world. Both do the bidding of the wealthy, big corps, and Wall Street.

There are differences, but they are slight. Yet millions of Americans hate one or the other party, when in reality there is little difference.

For starters, during his first year in office Reagan cut domestic programs by 39 billion. Get a little knowledge before you post. Don't be afraid, your brain won't explode.

Oh brother...did he reduce the size of government or the national debt? Did he stop the abortion holocaust? Did he scale back the size of the military industrial complex? Did he eliminate ONE government agency?

Reagan did a few things right, but all POTUS' do a few things right. But in the end, he expanded the power of the State...like all the others.

Newsflash: Reagan was not elected dictator of the US.

 

[gipper]

The GOP is a statist party and always has been. The entire leadership are statists. Not unlike the D party.

Both parties deficit spend, expand the power of government, and promote foreign interventions around the world. Both do the bidding of the wealthy, big corps, and Wall Street.

There are differences, but they are slight. Yet millions of Americans hate one or the other party, when in reality there is little difference.

For starters, during his first year in office Reagan cut domestic programs by 39 billion. Get a little knowledge before you post. Don't be afraid, your brain won't explode.

Oh brother...did he reduce the size of government or the national debt? Did he stop the abortion holocaust? Did he scale back the size of the military industrial complex? Did he eliminate ONE government agency?

Reagan did a few things right, but all POTUS' do a few things right. But in the end, he expanded the power of the State...like all the others.

Newsflash: Reagan was not elected dictator of the US.

Oh...so it takes a dictator to reduce the size and power of the State.

You might be right.

 

[gipper]

The GOP is a statist party and always has been. The entire leadership are statists. Not unlike the D party.

Both parties deficit spend, expand the power of government, and promote foreign interventions around the world. Both do the bidding of the wealthy, big corps, and Wall Street.

There are differences, but they are slight. Yet millions of Americans hate one or the other party, when in reality there is little difference.

For starters, during his first year in office Reagan cut domestic programs by 39 billion. Get a little knowledge before you post. Don't be afraid, your brain won't explode.

Oh brother...did he reduce the size of government or the national debt? Did he stop the abortion holocaust? Did he scale back the size of the military industrial complex? Did he eliminate ONE government agency?

Reagan did a few things right, but all POTUS' do a few things right. But in the end, he expanded the power of the State...like all the others.

Cutting 39 billion didn't reduce government? WTF?

Really? You are going with that?

You need to do some research on his ENTIRE presidency...and not cherry pick.

 

[bripat9643]

The GOP is a statist party and always has been. The entire leadership are statists. Not unlike the D party.

Both parties deficit spend, expand the power of government, and promote foreign interventions around the world. Both do the bidding of the wealthy, big corps, and Wall Street.

There are differences, but they are slight. Yet millions of Americans hate one or the other party, when in reality there is little difference.

For starters, during his first year in office Reagan cut domestic programs by 39 billion. Get a little knowledge before you post. Don't be afraid, your brain won't explode.

Oh brother...did he reduce the size of government or the national debt? Did he stop the abortion holocaust? Did he scale back the size of the military industrial complex? Did he eliminate ONE government agency?

Reagan did a few things right, but all POTUS' do a few things right. But in the end, he expanded the power of the State...like all the others.

Newsflash: Reagan was not elected dictator of the US.

Oh...so it takes a dictator to reduce the size and power of the State.

You might be right.

Yeah, pretty much, it does.

 

[The Rabbi]

The GOP is a statist party and always has been. The entire leadership are statists. Not unlike the D party.

Both parties deficit spend, expand the power of government, and promote foreign interventions around the world. Both do the bidding of the wealthy, big corps, and Wall Street.

There are differences, but they are slight. Yet millions of Americans hate one or the other party, when in reality there is little difference.

For starters, during his first year in office Reagan cut domestic programs by 39 billion. Get a little knowledge before you post. Don't be afraid, your brain won't explode.

Oh brother...did he reduce the size of government or the national debt? Did he stop the abortion holocaust? Did he scale back the size of the military industrial complex? Did he eliminate ONE government agency?

Reagan did a few things right, but all POTUS' do a few things right. But in the end, he expanded the power of the State...like all the others.

Newsflash: Reagan was not elected dictator of the US.

Oh...so it takes a dictator to reduce the size and power of the State.

You might be right.

Pretty much. The president only has so much ability. Every program he wants to cut has legions of lobbyists urging congressman to keep it.
The issue is that everybody gains a little bit by cutting it but a few people lose a whole lot. So those few people are far more engaged and vociferous than the many people.

 

[gipper]

The GOP is a statist party and always has been. The entire leadership are statists. Not unlike the D party.

Both parties deficit spend, expand the power of government, and promote foreign interventions around the world. Both do the bidding of the wealthy, big corps, and Wall Street.

There are differences, but they are slight. Yet millions of Americans hate one or the other party, when in reality there is little difference.

For starters, during his first year in office Reagan cut domestic programs by 39 billion. Get a little knowledge before you post. Don't be afraid, your brain won't explode.

Oh brother...did he reduce the size of government or the national debt? Did he stop the abortion holocaust? Did he scale back the size of the military industrial complex? Did he eliminate ONE government agency?

Reagan did a few things right, but all POTUS' do a few things right. But in the end, he expanded the power of the State...like all the others.

Newsflash: Reagan was not elected dictator of the US.

Oh...so it takes a dictator to reduce the size and power of the State.

You might be right.

Pretty much. The president only has so much ability. Every program he wants to cut has legions of lobbyists urging congressman to keep it.
The issue is that everybody gains a little bit by cutting it but a few people lose a whole lot. So those few people are far more engaged and vociferous than the many people.

Conversely, it does not take a dictator to grow the state.

 

[natstew]

When Obama said, (paraphrase) "I've go a pen, I've got a phone, I don't need Congress", he took responsibility for everything, and I mean everything in the United States. He, in effect, declared himself Dictator.

 

[Iceweasel]

The GOP is a statist party and always has been. The entire leadership are statists. Not unlike the D party.

Both parties deficit spend, expand the power of government, and promote foreign interventions around the world. Both do the bidding of the wealthy, big corps, and Wall Street.

There are differences, but they are slight. Yet millions of Americans hate one or the other party, when in reality there is little difference.

For starters, during his first year in office Reagan cut domestic programs by 39 billion. Get a little knowledge before you post. Don't be afraid, your brain won't explode.

Oh brother...did he reduce the size of government or the national debt? Did he stop the abortion holocaust? Did he scale back the size of the military industrial complex? Did he eliminate ONE government agency?

Reagan did a few things right, but all POTUS' do a few things right. But in the end, he expanded the power of the State...like all the others.

Cutting 39 billion didn't reduce government? WTF?

Really? You are going with that?

You need to do some research on his ENTIRE presidency...and not cherry pick.

You need to support your theories instead of pretending to be God.

 

[FA_Q2]

I think we care but accept the problem isn't who's in office, but the system itself. When the system is the problem, who's in office is moot.

You have to go deeper than that. It is in the electorate. The system is irrelevant as well when the people no longer tend to it.

You do have a point there. Millions of Americans pay no attention, but this has always been the case.

It could be that since the power elite are invested in dividing those of us willing to pay attention, they could be the true culprit. If we did not allow them to divide us, things would be much improved.

Yeah, it's both, guys.

The system is the problem, and we could change it if we cared enough.

Chicken or the egg.

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Fair enough.
I just think that no matter how perfect a system might be it will fail if people do not maintain it but if the people care any system will work.

That might be the very problem with democratic societies – it assumes incorrectly that people will watch and control their government. It is people’s nature to be lazy about a system that is working.

Sure. A system has two large potential fatal flaws: The fact that it was created by humans and the fact that humans must implement it.

Personally, I think the American system worked too well. Its various successes ultimately created a society of people who are too bored and soft to give a shit.

That environment then opens the door to those who will say, "well, okay, if you don't give a shit, I'll take care of stuff for you. Just relax, feel good about yourselves, don't worry about me".

.

I agree with that
whole heartedly. We were enormously successful and as a result people have completely forgotten that they have a responsibility to keep the government in check. These days many cannot even name the thr3ee branches of government, their purpose or who their representative actually is. The REALY pathetic part is that damn near everyone can name more of their teams players than the people that govern their lives.

 

[FA_Q2]

The GOP is a statist party and always has been. The entire leadership are statists. Not unlike the D party.

Both parties deficit spend, expand the power of government, and promote foreign interventions around the world. Both do the bidding of the wealthy, big corps, and Wall Street.

There are differences, but they are slight. Yet millions of Americans hate one or the other party, when in reality there is little difference.

For starters, during his first year in office Reagan cut domestic programs by 39 billion. Get a little knowledge before you post. Don't be afraid, your brain won't explode.

Oh brother...did he reduce the size of government or the national debt? Did he stop the abortion holocaust? Did he scale back the size of the military industrial complex? Did he eliminate ONE government agency?

Reagan did a few things right, but all POTUS' do a few things right. But in the end, he expanded the power of the State...like all the others.

Cutting 39 billion didn't reduce government? WTF?

Really? You are going with that?

You need to do some research on his ENTIRE presidency...and not cherry pick.

You need to support your theories instead of pretending to be God.

He raised spending year over year over year. Not a single year was marked with an actual decrease. Why is it suddenly okay to shift government largess from domestic interests to foreign ones?
I give him credit for his part in taking down the USSR but he certainly did not decrease government largess.