The damage done by the New Partisans

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Good piece by Dana Milbank: America s new cycle of partisan hatred - The Washington Post

A few points from it:

-- Up until the mid-1980s, the typical American held the view that partisans on the other side operated with good intentions. But that has changed in dramatic fashion, as a study published last year by Stanford and Princeton researchers demonstrates.


It has long been agreed that race is the deepest divide in American society. But that is no longer true, say Shanto Iyengar and Sean Westwood, the academics who led the study. Using a variety of social science methods (for example, having study participants review résumés of people that make both their race and party affiliation clear), they document that “the level of partisan animus in the American public exceeds racial hostility.”

-- This leads to a grim conclusion: The problem with politics isn’t Washington but the electorate. Members of Congress, most of whom come from safely gerrymandered districts, are behaving in a perfectly rational way when they avoid cooperation with the other party and instead try to build support within their own tribe.



Elected officials and professional partisans then reinforce the tribal tendency in the electorate with overheated rhetoric, perpetual campaigns, negative ads and increasingly partisan media outlets. “The individuals who hold more hostility are then given the green light to hold these more hostile positions,” Westwood explained.



So does he see a way out of this tribal cycle of hatred? “Sadly, no.”


Sadly, indeed.

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This began with Democrats, of course. I could tick off examples of Democrats demonizing Republicans for the last 10 years and exhaust the server space on this forum. We have never seen the level of lying and vitriol against Democrats by the GOP that we saw in, say, Alan Grayson's "Republicans want you to die quickly" speech on healthcare.
And Dems arent trustworthy in the least. Bush wanted the No Child Left Behind act passed. He left it up to Ted Kennedy to write. Kennedy wrote it and then denounced it on the floor of the Senate as being not generous enough.
You cannot work with people like that. You can only destroy them in every possible way. Democrats are the ISIS of the political scene.
 
After the fall of the Soviet Union in the late '80's, the right no longer had the "Red Scare" to propagate, they replaced it with the "socialism/communism/progressive/leftist/green scare"
 
-- This leads to a grim conclusion: The problem with politics isn’t Washington but the electorate. Members of Congress, most of whom come from safely gerrymandered districts, are behaving in a perfectly rational way when they avoid cooperation with the other party and instead try to build support within their own tribe.

:bsflag:
Do not let the damn politicians which create and advance their agendas and wedge issue to be innocent...While blaming the electorate...
The politicians do not act in a civilized manor and they do not keep their mouths shut....
The biggest influx of of rracial divide was when Oblama was elected...The damn racist came out of the woodwork and their halos were dimmed...
 
-- This leads to a grim conclusion: The problem with politics isn’t Washington but the electorate. Members of Congress, most of whom come from safely gerrymandered districts, are behaving in a perfectly rational way when they avoid cooperation with the other party and instead try to build support within their own tribe.

:bsflag:
Do not let the damn politicians which create and advance their agendas and wedge issue to be innocent...While blaming the electorate...
The politicians do not act in a civilized manor and they do not keep their mouths shut....
The biggest influx of of rracial divide was when Oblama was elected...The damn racist came out of the woodwork and their halos were dimmed...
It's a symbiotic relationship. Pols are like dogs. They react to stimulus. When they go off demonizing Republicans and get huge applause in the media and from voters and get elected they learn that behavior gets rewarded. So they do it more.
Obama did more to polarize race in this country than anyone else. He had to stick his flat nose into every local controversy, regardless of the facts. Recall his jumping into the arrest of the Harvard professor before al the facts were out. Holder is an out and out racist, who gives passes to blacks who violate election laws.
 
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We The People elect the politicians. Some of us are infected by the partisanship that is causing the damage, others just don't give a shit.

Elect and spin for thugs and liars, and your results will be predictable.

This is a self-inflicted wound.

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Yes, we do live in an era of hyper partisanship. Examples of this began with accusing anyone who opposed the illegal invasion of Iraq as being terrorist supporters but it began earlier than that with the crotch sniffing attacks on Bill Clinton. In essence the "politics of personal destruction" morphed into hyper partisanship.

The subsequent gerrymandering simply reinforced those mindsets and yes, that electorate is sadly misinformed by disingenuous sources that spread disinformation under the guise of "entertainment".

As far as any remediation goes it is more just a matter of letting it run it's odious course until it burns itself out. The demographic shifts will reduce this malign influence on our society and it will die off, quite literally.

The new generation of conservatives are already moving away from the partisan rhetoric and embracing things like Obamacare because they are looking at the benefits of having healthcare and marriage equality amongst their peers.

The old guard won't be around for long enough to damage this nation irreparably IMO.
 
Something that gets overlooked is that America didn't hear much of a conservative voice once TV came on strong. The left even got control over radio. It wasn't until the "Fairness Doctrine" got the ax that America started hearing conservatives on the airwaves. Now with talk radio, TV talk show and the internet we get more information. As the liberals lost their grip on information dissemination they had to up the ante and try to convince people that conservative values were not just wrong, but evil.
 
-- This leads to a grim conclusion: The problem with politics isn’t Washington but the electorate. Members of Congress, most of whom come from safely gerrymandered districts, are behaving in a perfectly rational way when they avoid cooperation with the other party and instead try to build support within their own tribe.

:bsflag:
Do not let the damn politicians which create and advance their agendas and wedge issue to be innocent...While blaming the electorate...
The politicians do not act in a civilized manor and they do not keep their mouths shut....
The biggest influx of of rracial divide was when Oblama was elected...The damn racist came out of the woodwork and their halos were dimmed...
It's a symbiotic relationship. Pols are like dogs. They react to stimulus. When they go off demonizing Republicans and get huge applause in the media and from voters and get elected they learn that behavior gets rewarded. So they do it more.
Obama did more to polarize race in this country than anyone else. He had to stick his flat nose into every local controversy, regardless of the facts. Recall his jumping into the arrest of the Harvard professor before al the facts were out. Holder is an out and out racist, who gives passes to blacks who violate election laws.

Did you mean to say "flat nose"? Or were you trying to say "fat nose"?

Yo Mac! Great thread. Happy fishing, bro!
 
-- This leads to a grim conclusion: The problem with politics isn’t Washington but the electorate. Members of Congress, most of whom come from safely gerrymandered districts, are behaving in a perfectly rational way when they avoid cooperation with the other party and instead try to build support within their own tribe.

:bsflag:
Do not let the damn politicians which create and advance their agendas and wedge issue to be innocent...While blaming the electorate...
The politicians do not act in a civilized manor and they do not keep their mouths shut....
The biggest influx of of rracial divide was when Oblama was elected...The damn racist came out of the woodwork and their halos were dimmed...
It's a symbiotic relationship. Pols are like dogs. They react to stimulus. When they go off demonizing Republicans and get huge applause in the media and from voters and get elected they learn that behavior gets rewarded. So they do it more.
Obama did more to polarize race in this country than anyone else. He had to stick his flat nose into every local controversy, regardless of the facts. Recall his jumping into the arrest of the Harvard professor before al the facts were out. Holder is an out and out racist, who gives passes to blacks who violate election laws.
Remember the outrage when a black man was elected president, before he was even settle in office?
Holder and Oblama are no worse than what white presidents have done to acerbate the racial tension by silent proxy...
 
...and, so what do we get in a thread talking about the destructive nature of partisan politics creating warring tribes?

.... a bunch of warriors all lining up on one side or the other pointing fingers at the other tribe.
 
...and, so what do we get in a thread talking about the destructive nature of partisan politics creating warring tribes?

.... a bunch of warriors all lining up on one side or the other pointing fingers at the other tribe.

Oh boy! You and Mac are gonna be great pals! You guys get to point both fingers!! So cool!
 
...and, so what do we get in a thread talking about the destructive nature of partisan politics creating warring tribes?

.... a bunch of warriors all lining up on one side or the other pointing fingers at the other tribe.
Which is not polite...
 
After the fall of the Soviet Union in the late '80's, the right no longer had the "Red Scare" to propagate, they replaced it with the "socialism/communism/progressive/leftist/green scare"

You obviously don't remember the eighties. Demonstrating the op, aren't you?
 
You can see that the article speaks truth...by reading this board.

We are in a drift toward mutual hatred which has not been seen in this country since the 1850s and that ended in Civil War. I don't predict that, but something bad will come of it.

I was not a partisan in the 1980s, but I am now, so I am also evidence verifying the article. Mine started with the very divisive presidency of Barack Obama...who himself the the consummate partisan.

I believe that he has in mind what ought to be considered an Act of Treason.

He means to bring in enough illegal Mexicans, and though ultra-constitutional machinations, get them the vote---and turn Texas into a blue state. He might have it done in time for him to run for re-election in 2020.

It would be treason because the law is intentionally broken, and an invasion allowed, by the very officer sworn to prevent that very activity.

Yes, the conflict has hardened, because its not Democrats v. Republicans anymore; its Socialists v. Jeffersonians.
 
You can see that the article speaks truth...by reading this board.

We are in a drift toward mutual hatred which has not been seen in this country since the 1850s and that ended in Civil War. I don't predict that, but something bad will come of it.

I was not a partisan in the 1980s, but I am now, so I am also evidence verifying the article. Mine started with the very divisive presidency of Barack Obama...who himself the the consummate partisan.

I believe that he has in mind what ought to be considered an Act of Treason.

He means to bring in enough illegal Mexicans, and though ultra-constitutional machinations, get them the vote---and turn Texas into a blue state. He might have it done in time for him to run for re-election in 2020.

It would be treason because the law is intentionally broken, and an invasion allowed, by the very officer sworn to prevent that very activity.

Yes, the conflict has hardened, because its not Democrats v. Republicans anymore; its Socialists v. Jeffersonians.

You think Obama wants to run for. POTUS in 2020? He intends to do so after bringing in millions of illegal Mexican voters? He didn't need them in 2008 or 2012. Why would he need them in 2020? Ya freak, ya.
 

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