The "Czar" Debate settled once and for all.

[Modbert]

consider this robtard.. President Bush's four czars seemed to lay well below the radar. Didn't seem to raise any red flags.. weren't as controversial as eugenicists and communists and race baiters.. maybe now because of these things folks are snapping to attention. figure? yep,, I thought so.

Consider the opinion that you and the majority of Americans probably think Czars are a new concept created by Obama. Consider the fact that Liberals didn't bitch and moan about Czars because maybe they aren't there to help bring in the new Socialist movement. Maybe because the Republicans are looking for ANYTHING to use against Obama, since they cannot make any good arguments on the issues, that they turn to this.

Figure it's maybe that? I think so.

 

[paperview]

Bush's OMB Czar:

During his time as the director of the OMB, President Bush admiringly called him "the Blade," for his noted acumen at budget cutting.[7] Daniels instituted a first-of-its-kind accountability system for all governmental entities. Daniels came under fire for overseeing a $236 billion annual surplus turn into a $400 billion deficit during his 29-month tenure. Supporters argued that Daniels was one of the few in the administration working toward restraint, and that ultimately he had to take marching orders from the administration.[3]


In 2002, Daniels helped discredit a report by Assistant to the President on Economic Policy Lawrence B. Lindsey estimating the cost of the Iraq War at between $100–$200 billion. Daniels called this estimate "very, very high" and stated that the costs would be between $50–$60 billion.[8] (paperview ---> )



In March, as Congress considered H.R. 1559, “Emergency Wartime Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2003,” OMB was ordered to prepare an estimate for the defeat of the Iraqi Army and a six-month aftermath ending with the 2003 fiscal year on September 30. [9] Daniels’ estimate referred only to this period,[10] an estimate that proved largely accurate.

 

[RadiomanATL]

Yeah, but Obama is on track to have 400% more than Bush. Thats like saying yeah, a Bentley is expensive at $300,000, but so is a Cadillac (at $75,000).

They're not in the same league. Hell, they're not even in the same ballpark, stadium or state.

That's true, however one has to consider the certain Republican mood toward the Czars. Now, if that's the way they were acting when Obama is doing it, then shouldn't be acting the same way when Bush was doing it? Of course they aren't.

The majority of people in this thread seem to be not getting my point. If these Czars are a step towards a Dictatorship and Socialism then shouldn't the reaction towards Bush been a lot more harsher in general in the past and on this board?

Where were the Republicans complaining between 2001-2009? Where were the Republicans on this board complaining about the Czars beforehand? I mean did any of you Republicans even know about these Czars before people like Glenn Beck went on television and cried about it?

To compare apples to apples, they would have to be acting and complaining 75% less, or the number of them complaining would have to be 75% smaller. If either of those things are true then your argument is rendered invalid.

I really don't care enough either way to even attempt to find out what the numbers were then or are now. Don't even think it's possible. But it leaves your argument wide enough open to drive a Mack truck through.

 

[garyd]

Who were Bush's Czars? Were they or were they not already part of the fed, Bureaucracy?

 

[DiveCon]

Bush's OMB Czar:

During his time as the director of the OMB, President Bush admiringly called him "the Blade," for his noted acumen at budget cutting.[7] Daniels instituted a first-of-its-kind accountability system for all governmental entities. Daniels came under fire for overseeing a $236 billion annual surplus turn into a $400 billion deficit during his 29-month tenure. Supporters argued that Daniels was one of the few in the administration working toward restraint, and that ultimately he had to take marching orders from the administration.[3]


In 2002, Daniels helped discredit a report by Assistant to the President on Economic Policy Lawrence B. Lindsey estimating the cost of the Iraq War at between $100–$200 billion. Daniels called this estimate "very, very high" and stated that the costs would be between $50–$60 billion.[8] (paperview ---> )



In March, as Congress considered H.R. 1559, “Emergency Wartime Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2003,” OMB was ordered to prepare an estimate for the defeat of the Iraqi Army and a six-month aftermath ending with the 2003 fiscal year on September 30. [9] Daniels’ estimate referred only to this period,[10] an estimate that proved largely accurate.

the director of OMB is NOT a czar

 

[WillowTree]

consider this robtard.. President Bush's four czars seemed to lay well below the radar. Didn't seem to raise any red flags.. weren't as controversial as eugenicists and communists and race baiters.. maybe now because of these things folks are snapping to attention. figure? yep,, I thought so.

Consider the opinion that you and the majority of Americans probably think Czars are a new concept created by Obama. Consider the fact that Liberals didn't bitch and moan about Czars because maybe they aren't there to help bring in the new Socialist movement. Maybe because the Republicans are looking for ANYTHING to use against Obama, since they cannot make any good arguments on the issues, that they turn to this.

Figure it's maybe that? I think so.

consider robtard that we are now aware of who and what have the left ear of your chosen one, marxists, eugenisists, race batiers and and a self professed communist,, that might make the difference to a lot of us.. tomorrow is Tuesday,, I'm sure the czar shit will hit the fan,, there's on who thinks organ donation should be a forced thing,, that will raise some ire.. so sit down, strap yerself in,, it's gonna be a bumpy ride,, (aka Betty Davis eyes)

 

[Thinman]

Czar is just another name for advisor. Presidents have had advisors forever. I think if something foul could have been found with one of the Bush Czars he would have been burned at the stake.

 

[paperview]

Bush's OMB Czar:

During his time as the director of the OMB, President Bush admiringly called him "the Blade," for his noted acumen at budget cutting.[7] Daniels instituted a first-of-its-kind accountability system for all governmental entities. Daniels came under fire for overseeing a $236 billion annual surplus turn into a $400 billion deficit during his 29-month tenure. Supporters argued that Daniels was one of the few in the administration working toward restraint, and that ultimately he had to take marching orders from the administration.[3]


In 2002, Daniels helped discredit a report by Assistant to the President on Economic Policy Lawrence B. Lindsey estimating the cost of the Iraq War at between $100–$200 billion. Daniels called this estimate "very, very high" and stated that the costs would be between $50–$60 billion.[8] (paperview ---> )



In March, as Congress considered H.R. 1559, “Emergency Wartime Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2003,” OMB was ordered to prepare an estimate for the defeat of the Iraqi Army and a six-month aftermath ending with the 2003 fiscal year on September 30. [9] Daniels’ estimate referred only to this period,[10] an estimate that proved largely accurate.

the director of OMB is NOT a czar

Tell that to Business Week ( a real foe of Bush.lol)

Business Week:

MAY 21, 2001 <------

GOVERNMENT/Online Extra
Back to Main Story
Q&A with the OMB's Mitch Daniels
Bush's budget czar talks about the $1.35 trillion tax cut plan, clearing regulatory underbrush, entitlement reform, and more

[FONT=arial,helvetica,univers] White House Budget Director Mitch Daniels, the man President Bush affectionately calls "The Blade," hasn't cut a big public swath through Washington. Daniels likes it that way. He plans to keep a low profile at the Office of Management & Budget. But that's not to say he doesn't have big plans for the agency.

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[Zoom-boing]

Czar is just another name for advisor. Presidents have had advisors forever. I think if something foul could have been found with one of the Bush Czars he would have been burned at the stake.

Not it's not. There is a huge difference between the two.

advisor: one who gives advice.

czar: any person exercising great authority or power in a particular field


So, what does Obama have? What did Bush have? How do we know what they are doing - - - - advising or exercising great authority/power? If they're not confirmed, where are the checks and balances? How do we know they don't have more power than we are led to believe?

 

[DiveCon]

Bush's OMB Czar:

During his time as the director of the OMB, President Bush admiringly called him "the Blade," for his noted acumen at budget cutting.[7] Daniels instituted a first-of-its-kind accountability system for all governmental entities. Daniels came under fire for overseeing a $236 billion annual surplus turn into a $400 billion deficit during his 29-month tenure. Supporters argued that Daniels was one of the few in the administration working toward restraint, and that ultimately he had to take marching orders from the administration.[3]


In 2002, Daniels helped discredit a report by Assistant to the President on Economic Policy Lawrence B. Lindsey estimating the cost of the Iraq War at between $100&#8211;$200 billion. Daniels called this estimate "very, very high" and stated that the costs would be between $50&#8211;$60 billion.[8] (paperview ---> )



In March, as Congress considered H.R. 1559, &#8220;Emergency Wartime Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2003,&#8221; OMB was ordered to prepare an estimate for the defeat of the Iraqi Army and a six-month aftermath ending with the 2003 fiscal year on September 30. [9] Daniels&#8217; estimate referred only to this period,[10] an estimate that proved largely accurate.

the director of OMB is NOT a czar

Tell that to Business Week ( a real foe of Bush.lol)

Business Week:

MAY 21, 2001 <------

GOVERNMENT/Online Extra
Back to Main Story
Q&A with the OMB's Mitch Daniels
Bush's budget czar talks about the $1.35 trillion tax cut plan, clearing regulatory underbrush, entitlement reform, and more

[FONT=arial,helvetica,univers] White House Budget Director Mitch Daniels, the man President Bush affectionately calls "The Blade," hasn't cut a big public swath through Washington. Daniels likes it that way. He plans to keep a low profile at the Office of Management & Budget. But that's not to say he doesn't have big plans for the agency.

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some editor calls him a czar doesn't make it so

 

[paperview]

Czar is just another name for advisor. Presidents have had advisors forever. I think if something foul could have been found with one of the Bush Czars he would have been burned at the stake.

Not really...they just quitely slink away...

"...the 'DC Madam' scandal has now brought down its first big-name DC political figure: Randall Tobias, until about four o'clock this afternoon the head of the US

Agency for International Development and Director of US Foreign Assistance at the State Department.
Tobias is mounting what I guess we might call the Haggard defense: no sex, just massages.
But let me clip out just a couple grafs from Brian Ross's and Justin Rood's piece at ABC's The Blotter that show just how richly obscene (and not in the sense most people think) this story really is ...

On Thursday, Tobias told ABC News he had several times called the "Pamela Martin and Associates" escort service "to have gals come over to the condo to give me a massage." Tobias, who is married, said there had been "no sex," and that recently he had been using another service "with Central Americans" to provide massages. ​

Another service "with Central Americans." That's what he's using now. This is the guy in charge of America's international aid and development assistance to countries around the world. ("I was using one service that sent Thai broads. Now I get 'em to send Central Americans.") I'm glad this bozo is showing our best face to the world and clearing up any misunderstandings about exploiting people in the Third World.
Here's another good passage ...

As the Bush administration's so-called "AIDS czar," Tobias was criticized for emphasizing faithfulness and abstinence over condom use to prevent the spread of AIDS.
​

I'm glad Tobias was coming from a place of genuine principle when he tried to stop people in Africa from using condoms to stop the transmission of AIDS. I guess massages count as safe sex though. Lucky he was only getting massages.

 

[Modbert]

Not it's not. There is a huge difference between the two.

advisor: one who gives advice.

czar: any person exercising great authority or power in a particular field


So, what does Obama have? What did Bush have? How do we know what they are doing - - - - advising or exercising great authority/power? If they're not confirmed, where are the checks and balances? How do we know they don't have more power than we believe?

So you agree that it was outrageous how many Bush had right? By the way, just curious, did you know that he had this many before this thread?

 

[Modbert]

As Paper continues to point out, Bush's Czars had plenty of problems of their own. Except there wasn't the outrage there by either political party's people.

 

[paperview]

the director of OMB is NOT a czar

Tell that to Business Week ( a real foe of Bush.lol)

Business Week:

MAY 21, 2001 <------

GOVERNMENT/Online Extra
Back to Main Story
Q&A with the OMB's Mitch Daniels
Bush's budget czar talks about the $1.35 trillion tax cut plan, clearing regulatory underbrush, entitlement reform, and more

[FONT=arial,helvetica,univers] White House Budget Director Mitch Daniels, the man President Bush affectionately calls "The Blade," hasn't cut a big public swath through Washington. Daniels likes it that way. He plans to keep a low profile at the Office of Management & Budget. But that's not to say he doesn't have big plans for the agency.

[/FONT]http://www.webcitation.org/5jYP3429Z

some editor calls him a czar doesn't make it so

Even Encyclopedia editors too, I guess. (Yes, it's from the Globe, but you think they would have corrected it)

UPHILL BATTLE US BUDGET CZAR FIGHTING TO CONTROL SPENDING AMID DECLINING REVENUES - The Boston Globe | Encyclopedia.com

 

[Zoom-boing]

Not it's not. There is a huge difference between the two.

advisor: one who gives advice.

czar: any person exercising great authority or power in a particular field


So, what does Obama have? What did Bush have? How do we know what they are doing - - - - advising or exercising great authority/power? If they're not confirmed, where are the checks and balances? How do we know they don't have more power than we believe?

So you agree that it was outrageous how many Bush had right? By the way, just curious, did you know that he had this many before this thread?

You missed my first post. Yes I agree with you that it was outrageous that Bush had so many czars. No, I had no idea czars even existed before Obama. Was I living in a cave? Perhaps, as I was raising a special needs child and trying to keep the holes in the walls to a minimum and literally making sure he didn't burn down the house.

I don't think there should be any czars, period. If a job needs to be filled, confirm the person, vet them and make sure there are checks and balances in place.

I'm still not sure if czars or advisers are constitutional.

 

[Article 15]

I don't remember people complaining about czars before Obama took office.

We have some longtime message board veterans here ... anyone remember people getting all up in arms about czars and their existence like this before Obama took office?

 

[veritas]

Most of the Czars are already confirmed, Polk had a few good posts on that. I didn't bitch when Bush had Czars. WTF cares? Beck drones do. That's about it.

 

[veritas]

I don't remember people complaining about czars before Obama took office.

We have some longtime message board veterans here ... anyone remember people getting all up in arms about czars and their existence like this before Obama took office?

No. Maybe some bitching about the Faith based stuff, not that there was a person in charge of it called a czar.

 

[Article 15]

Most of the Czars are already confirmed, Polk had a few good posts on that. I didn't bitch when Bush had Czars. WTF cares? Beck drones do. That's about it.

I didn't bitch about them either.

I've look at them as point men for the POTUS on more specified issues.

 

[Thinman]

Not it's not. There is a huge difference between the two.

advisor: one who gives advice.

czar: any person exercising great authority or power in a particular field


So, what does Obama have? What did Bush have? How do we know what they are doing - - - - advising or exercising great authority/power? If they're not confirmed, where are the checks and balances? How do we know they don't have more power than we believe?

So you agree that it was outrageous how many Bush had right? By the way, just curious, did you know that he had this many before this thread?

I don't care how many Czars/Advisors a president has. I care if he surrounds himself with far left/right radicals.