The Curse Of Saul Alinsky...

[Mr Natural]

Bill Maher did a funny bit on Saul Alinsky last night.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Alinsky tactics:

1. "Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have."

2. "Never go outside the expertise of your people. When an action or tactic is outside the experience of the people, the result is confusion, fear and retreat.... [and] the collapse of communication.

3. "Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy. Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)

4. "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity."

5. "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage."

6. "A good tactic is one your people enjoy."

7. "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag. Man can sustain militant interest in any issue for only a limited time...."

8. "Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose."

9. "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself."

10. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign."

11. "If you push a negative hard and deep enough, it will break through into its counterside... every positive has its negative."

12. "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative."

13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. In conflict tactics there are certain rules that [should be regarded] as universalities. One is that the opposition must be singled out as the target and 'frozen.'...

"...any target can always say, 'Why do you center on me when there are others to blame as well?' When your 'freeze the target,' you disregard these [rational but distracting] arguments.... Then, as you zero in and freeze your target and carry out your attack, all the 'others' come out of the woodwork very soon. They become visible by their support of the target...'

"One acts decisively only in the conviction that all the angels are on one side and all the devils on the other." (pps.127-134)

...now, someone tell us, how much of that does NOT sound like rightwing talk radio?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Bill Maher did a funny bit on Saul Alinsky last night.

I happened to see that last night, only because directv is having a free HBO weekend, which, slightly off topic,

is puzzling, because they give you a free weekend and then fill it with crap movies. All it ends up doing is reminding you how smart you are not to pay for HBO.

 

[rightwinger]

This country is being terrorized by Alinsky Conservatives who use lies, subterfuge and fear to rally the uninformed masses to their evil conservative ways

Lead by Alinsky trained zealots like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck they mount a misinformation campaign to weak minded ditto heads

I think the "evil conservative" says it all about you leftwinger.

Yes...I am wise to your nefarious plans

There are good conservatives and Evil Alinsky Conservatives who want but one thing........turn this great country into an Evil Conservative Caliphate run by religious zealots who want to turn the country over to the super wealthy who are their masters

 

[rightwinger]

Alinsky tactics:

1. "Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have."

2. "Never go outside the expertise of your people. When an action or tactic is outside the experience of the people, the result is confusion, fear and retreat.... [and] the collapse of communication.

3. "Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy. Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)

4. "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity."

5. "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage."

6. "A good tactic is one your people enjoy."

7. "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag. Man can sustain militant interest in any issue for only a limited time...."

8. "Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose."

9. "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself."

10. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign."

11. "If you push a negative hard and deep enough, it will break through into its counterside... every positive has its negative."

12. "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative."

13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. In conflict tactics there are certain rules that [should be regarded] as universalities. One is that the opposition must be singled out as the target and 'frozen.'...

"...any target can always say, 'Why do you center on me when there are others to blame as well?' When your 'freeze the target,' you disregard these [rational but distracting] arguments.... Then, as you zero in and freeze your target and carry out your attack, all the 'others' come out of the woodwork very soon. They become visible by their support of the target...'

"One acts decisively only in the conviction that all the angels are on one side and all the devils on the other." (pps.127-134)

...now, someone tell us, how much of that does NOT sound like rightwing talk radio?

It should be the FoxNews logo

All Alinsky........all the time

 

[paulitician]

Saul Alinsky was a fanatical Marxist Community Organizer. And all Democrats obey his 'Rules for Radicals' just as fanatically. Just look at our current President if you don't believe me. Remember how he was supposedly going to 'Unite' the Country? Yeah well, that's just laughable now. He has divided the People like no other President in History has. So expect a whole lot more of that Class Warfare and Race-Baiting stuff from this President & Democrats as we get closer to November. It is very sad but it is what it is.

 

[rightwinger]

Saul Alinsky was a fanatical Marxist Community Organizer. And all Democrats obey his 'Rules for Radicals' just as fanatically. Just look at our current President if you don't believe me. Remember how he was supposedly going to 'Unite' the Country? Yeah well, that's just laughable now. He has divided the People like no other President in History has. So expect a whole lot more of that Class Warfare and Race-Baiting stuff from this President & Democrats as we get closer to November. It is very sad but it is what it is.

The GOP is now the party of Saul Alinsky

They have memorized his tactics and have used them wisely to usurp the rights of the masses and turn this country into a rightwing Christian caliphate run by their mega billionaire masters

 

[paulitician]

Saul Alinsky was a fanatical Marxist Community Organizer. And all Democrats obey his 'Rules for Radicals' just as fanatically. Just look at our current President if you don't believe me. Remember how he was supposedly going to 'Unite' the Country? Yeah well, that's just laughable now. He has divided the People like no other President in History has. So expect a whole lot more of that Class Warfare and Race-Baiting stuff from this President & Democrats as we get closer to November. It is very sad but it is what it is.

The GOP is now the party of Saul Alinsky

They have memorized his tactics and have used them wisely to usurp the rights of the masses and turn this country into a rightwing Christian caliphate run by their mega billionaire masters

Yeah sure, nice try. You're a loyal Saul Alinsky disciple just like all of your fellow Democrats are. He was a fanatical Marxist. Just like you. So quit trying to pawn your hero off on us. He's all you.

 

[Mustang]

The Right has been employing the tactics of Saul Alinsky for years.

You want a recent example from last year? It was the GOP threat to allow a technical default on paying America's debt during the debate to raise the debt ceiling which resulted in a downgrade of America's credit rating.

 

[tenthertoo]

Alinsky was a Russian Jew,

in other words, a ready made conservative boogie man.

Funny you should inject he was Jewish as in essence his "rules" are the same tactics used by the Nazis in getting into power.

Yeah, well, those rules are also the bible for major components of the Tea Party movement.

While your reply was not responsive to my reply it did suggest that you agree that Alinsky's tactics were like the Nazis'

 

[rightwinger]

Saul Alinsky was a fanatical Marxist Community Organizer. And all Democrats obey his 'Rules for Radicals' just as fanatically. Just look at our current President if you don't believe me. Remember how he was supposedly going to 'Unite' the Country? Yeah well, that's just laughable now. He has divided the People like no other President in History has. So expect a whole lot more of that Class Warfare and Race-Baiting stuff from this President & Democrats as we get closer to November. It is very sad but it is what it is.

The GOP is now the party of Saul Alinsky

They have memorized his tactics and have used them wisely to usurp the rights of the masses and turn this country into a rightwing Christian caliphate run by their mega billionaire masters

Yeah sure, nice try. You're a loyal Saul Alinsky disciple just like all of your fellow Democrats are. He was a fanatical Marxist. Just like you. So quit trying to pawn your hero off on us. He's all you.

Ron Paul is today's biggest disciple of Saul Alinsky. He hac embraced his rules for Radicals in trying to turn this great country over to Libertarian terrorists bent on state sponsored anarchy

 

[paulitician]

The GOP is now the party of Saul Alinsky

They have memorized his tactics and have used them wisely to usurp the rights of the masses and turn this country into a rightwing Christian caliphate run by their mega billionaire masters

Yeah sure, nice try. You're a loyal Saul Alinsky disciple just like all of your fellow Democrats are. He was a fanatical Marxist. Just like you. So quit trying to pawn your hero off on us. He's all you.

Ron Paul is today's biggest disciple of Saul Alinsky. He hac embraced his rules for Radicals in trying to turn this great country over to Libertarian terrorists bent on state sponsored anarchy

Yeah, that's it.

 

[bripat9643]

hes dead.

he helped poor and black people organize to protect their rights.

No wonder the right hates him

Which "rights" were those?

 

[edthecynic]

What I find highly entertaining is that EdTheDumbAss is horrified that Rush advocates using these tactics against the left. Even quotes Rush in his sig.... while completely ignoring where that quote originated from... Alinsky. It's ok for the left, but not for the right.

EdTheDumbAss.... he's TruffMocker stupid.

No matter how many times you mindless CON$ parrot that lie, it doesn't change the fact that the tactic did not originate with the God of CON$ervatism and mentor of your MessiahRushie, Saul Alinsky.

“Accuse others of what you do.”
- Attributed to Vladimir Lenin and Karl Marx.

 

[bripat9643]

Legacy

The documentary The Democratic Promise: Saul Alinsky and His Legacy,[11] states that "Alinsky championed new ways to organize the poor and powerless that created a backyard revolution in cities across America." Alinsky formed the Industrial Areas Foundation (IAF) in 1940, and Edward T. Chambers became its Executive Director after Alinsky died. Since the IAF's formation, hundreds of professional community and labor organizers and thousands of community and labor leaders have attended its workshops. Fred Ross, who worked for Alinsky, was the principal mentor for Cesar Chavez and Dolores Huerta. Other organizations following in the tradition of the Congregation-based Community Organizing pioneered by IAF include PICO National Network, Gamaliel Foundation, and Direct Action and Research Training Center (DART).[12][13] Hillary Clinton's senior honors thesis on Saul Alinsky, written at Wellesley College, noted that Alinsky's personal efforts were a large part of his method.[14]

Several prominent American leaders have been influenced by Alinsky's teachings,[13] including Ed Chambers,[11] Tom Gaudette, Ernesto Cortes, Michael Gecan, Wade Rathke,[15] and Patrick Crowley.[16] Alinsky is often credited with laying the foundation for the grassroots political organizing that dominated the 1960s.[11] Jack Newfield writing in New York magazine included Alinsky among "the purest Avatars of the populist movement," along with Ralph Nader, Cesar Chavez, and Jesse Jackson.[17]

Biographer Sanford Horwitt has claimed that U.S. President Barack Obama was influenced by Alinsky and followed in his footsteps as a Chicago-based community organizer. Horwitt furthermore has asserted that Barack Obama's 2008 presidential campaign was influenced by Alinsky's teachings.[18]

Adam Brandon, a spokesman for the conservative non-profit organization FreedomWorks, which is one of several groups involved in organizing Tea Party protests, says the group gives Alinsky's Rules for Radicals to its top leadership members. A shortened guide called Rules for Patriots is distributed to its entire network. In a January 2012 story that appeared in The Wall Street Journal, citing the organization's tactic of sending activists to town-hall meetings, Brandon explained, "his tactics when it comes to grass-roots organizing are incredibly effective." Former Republican House Majority Leader Dick Armey also gives copies of Alinsky's book Rules for Radicals to Tea Party leaders.[19]

It sounds like Alinksy was organizing the communist underground.

In 1969, he was awarded the Pacem in Terris Peace and Freedom Award.

Isn't that a communist organization?

 

[bripat9643]

Ron Paul is today's biggest disciple of Saul Alinsky. He hac embraced his rules for Radicals in trying to turn this great country over to Libertarian terrorists bent on state sponsored anarchy

The term "state sponsored anarchy" is an oxymoron. So is the term "libertarian terrorist."

 

[edthecynic]

This country is being terrorized by Alinsky Conservatives who use lies, subterfuge and fear to rally the uninformed masses to their evil conservative ways

Lead by Alinsky trained zealots like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck they mount a misinformation campaign to weak minded ditto heads

Limbaugh has been propagandizing Alinsky-style for over 20 years.

Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

November 11, 2009
RUSH: I think that's the fastest way to persuade people, you know, is to ridicule and make fun of the people that you're having problems with.

May 14, 2007
RUSH: Everything we did about Clinton was humorous. It had a political point. We were making fun of and laughing.

January 24, 2007
RUSH: One of the techniques that Alinsky has advocated be used against people you need to destroy is ridicule, because there's no response to it. When you get ridiculed and made fun of, that's the toughest thing to have a response because everybody's laughing at you... In order to execute the strategeries and the policies of Saul Alinsky, you cannot have a soul, you cannot have a conscience, because your sole objective is to destroy people and ruin them.

June 23, 2008
RUSH: Ronald Reagan said, "Just laugh at 'em, just laugh at 'em and just ridicule it,"

April 03, 2009
RUSH: The thing that irritates this White House the most and the way to really put them off stride is to laugh at them, to ridicule them, and to make fun of them

 

[California Girl]

This country is being terrorized by Alinsky Conservatives who use lies, subterfuge and fear to rally the uninformed masses to their evil conservative ways

Lead by Alinsky trained zealots like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck they mount a misinformation campaign to weak minded ditto heads

Limbaugh has been propagandizing Alinsky-style for over 20 years.

Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

November 11, 2009
RUSH: I think that's the fastest way to persuade people, you know, is to ridicule and make fun of the people that you're having problems with.

May 14, 2007
RUSH: Everything we did about Clinton was humorous. It had a political point. We were making fun of and laughing.

January 24, 2007
RUSH: One of the techniques that Alinsky has advocated be used against people you need to destroy is ridicule, because there's no response to it. When you get ridiculed and made fun of, that's the toughest thing to have a response because everybody's laughing at you... In order to execute the strategeries and the policies of Saul Alinsky, you cannot have a soul, you cannot have a conscience, because your sole objective is to destroy people and ruin them.

June 23, 2008
RUSH: Ronald Reagan said, "Just laugh at 'em, just laugh at 'em and just ridicule it,"

April 03, 2009
RUSH: The thing that irritates this White House the most and the way to really put them off stride is to laugh at them, to ridicule them, and to make fun of them

You really don't get irony, do you?

 

[rightwinger]

Ron Paul is today's biggest disciple of Saul Alinsky. He hac embraced his rules for Radicals in trying to turn this great country over to Libertarian terrorists bent on state sponsored anarchy

The term "state sponsored anarchy" is an oxymoron. So is the term "libertarian terrorist."

Ron Paul has sucked on the nipple of Alinskism his whole life...


His brand of radical libertarian anarchy is well fitting of a noted disciple of Alinsky

 

[edthecynic]

Limbaugh has been propagandizing Alinsky-style for over 20 years.

Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

November 11, 2009
RUSH: I think that's the fastest way to persuade people, you know, is to ridicule and make fun of the people that you're having problems with.

May 14, 2007
RUSH: Everything we did about Clinton was humorous. It had a political point. We were making fun of and laughing.

January 24, 2007
RUSH: One of the techniques that Alinsky has advocated be used against people you need to destroy is ridicule, because there's no response to it. When you get ridiculed and made fun of, that's the toughest thing to have a response because everybody's laughing at you... In order to execute the strategeries and the policies of Saul Alinsky, you cannot have a soul, you cannot have a conscience, because your sole objective is to destroy people and ruin them.

June 23, 2008
RUSH: Ronald Reagan said, "Just laugh at 'em, just laugh at 'em and just ridicule it,"

April 03, 2009
RUSH: The thing that irritates this White House the most and the way to really put them off stride is to laugh at them, to ridicule them, and to make fun of them

You really don't get irony, do you?

And you pretend not to get the hypocrisy, don't you!!!