The Cost To Deport Illegal Aliens

[DiveCon]

Actually in most case they don't put it into a general fund, most of the time they don't do anything! I had an illegal using my number, do you think anyone has done anything. I even called the IRS since they paid taxes for me also which by the way I didnot get back or even get a W2 for.Do you think the IRS has done anything? All I got was something on identy theft. I also called the company they worked for, the guy got real nervous and then never called me back.
Like someones else said on here, we need to start solving the real problem! They wouldn't come here if they couldn't find work or recieve other services. They couldn't get any sort of benefits if people did there job! You guys blame the illegals who are just trying to do whatever it takes to provide for their family when really you should blame the people who keep letting the problem go on by hiring them and giving them reason to come to the US.

hey, real ID should help stop that

 

[Againsheila]

Actually in most case they don't put it into a general fund, most of the time they don't do anything! I had an illegal using my number, do you think anyone has done anything. I even called the IRS since they paid taxes for me also which by the way I didnot get back or even get a W2 for.Do you think the IRS has done anything? All I got was something on identy theft. I also called the company they worked for, the guy got real nervous and then never called me back.
Like someones else said on here, we need to start solving the real problem! They wouldn't come here if they couldn't find work or recieve other services. They couldn't get any sort of benefits if people did there job! You guys blame the illegals who are just trying to do whatever it takes to provide for their family when really you should blame the people who keep letting the problem go on by hiring them and giving them reason to come to the US.

Stealling people's social security number is a real problem. When you retire, you will have to provide proof of every job you've ever worked because someone else used your social security number and they aren't going to pay you for jobs you didn't work. They don't care that you reported it, you are the one who is going to get hassled for it.

Last year there was an article in the Seattle Times about a woman whose husband had disappeared. After a reasonable amount of time, she had him declared dead, then she retired on his social secuirty. All of a sudden, Social Security stopped sending her checks and when she called to find out why, they told her that her husband was alive and living in California.

No follow up story. No happy reunion or explanation. I'm sure it turned out an illegal alien had stolen her husband's identity and this lady was paying the bill by losing everything. The Seattle Times, of course, is pro illegal and so wasn't going to tell the public what really happened. I'm so tired of our media bias.

Illegals ARE criminals.

 

[Againsheila]

You right wing nut jobs are funny...blame everyone else except the ones with the power. People need to stop listening to Fox News and blogs by people who have an IQ of 5 and start doing a little bit of leg work and research on their own.

Who gave loans to people? Who got rid of the oversite of the banking system? Who ignored all the signs when they started a year ago?

It is amazing to me that people are blaming the illegal immigrants for the global collapse of the banking systems...maybe the Mexicans also went to China, Iceland, Germany, Hong Kong, Japan, Australia and the UK....yeah....thats it...those bloody illegals, its all their fault....

If you people were not so pathetic, you would be funny.

Not all illegals are Mexicans. We also have illegal Chinese, illegal germans, even illegal Irish. It's true because of geography that the majority of our illegals are hispanic, but hispanic doesn't mean Mexican.

Again, I agree that our government is at fault. So are the banks, but so are the people that took out those mortgages in the first place. There was an article, sob story, in the LA times about an immigrant who bought one of those homes. He planned on making the mortgage payments with his money, his wifes money and paychecks from THREE of his daughters. He was putting his own daughters into slavery for his mortgage. You defend these people?

I don't remember if he was illegal or not, but it doesn't matter, that man shouldn't have been buying a house.

Like everything else, there is enough blame to go around, though I think most of it should go to our corrupt government that passed that bill so that the criminals could steal even more of our money. We don't live in a capitalistic country anymore. It's called facism. That's the difference we have currently between the republicans and the democrats, facists or communists, either way, America is lost.

 

[Grismonda]

Explain to me again, how those without social security numbers, driving licenses and bank accounts (which is the case for almost all illegal immigrants) got sub prime loans????? Because if they did..that is a reflection on the banking system and not the immigrants.

aztech, Foreigners have always been welcome to purchase real estate in the USA. All they need is money...cash or a loan. This is all legal. Why are you shocked? All the same...as an American it is within my legal right to buy real estate in say France.... I don't see a problem with this. I do see those that blame immigrants for our problems in the US as misplacing where that blame should be go. Yes, plenty of "fat cats" in the USA thrive because of illegal immigrants living here. I agree with you.

 

[Againsheila]

aztech, Foreigners have always been welcome to purchase real estate in the USA. All they need is money...cash or a loan. This is all legal. Why are you shocked? All the same...as an American it is within my legal right to buy real estate in say France.... I don't see a problem with this.

You can't buy property in Japan, China, Vietnam, Thailand, etc. Until recently you couldn't even buy property in Mexico, now you can but there are strict rules and exceptions. You still can't buy waterfront property in Mexico and you must go through a Mexican to purchase any property at all and that Mexican must represent you in all dealings with the mexican government. You have to pay x number of taxes, it's all really really complicated. I don't even understand it. It's probably easier to just do the 99 year lease thing that they've been doing since Americans first started retiring there to save money.

 

[Grismonda]

Again, I agree that our government is at fault. So are the banks, but so are the people that took out those mortgages in the first place. .

How so Sheila? Were these home buyers licensed realtors and bankers? Is this what you are suggesting....?? Because it's sort of like when you become ill, and your doctor's prognosis is incorrect and you get blamed because you didn't know enough about medicine.

When yo buy real estate, you consult with licensed experts. The blame STOPS THERE!

 

[Grismonda]

You can't buy property in Japan, China, Vietnam, Thailand, etc. Until recently you couldn't even buy property in Mexico, now you can but there are strict rules and exceptions. You still can't buy waterfront property in Mexico and you must go through a Mexican to purchase any property at all and that Mexican must represent you in all dealings with the mexican government. You have to pay x number of taxes, it's all really really complicated. I don't even understand it. It's probably easier to just do the 99 year lease thing that they've been doing since Americans first started retiring there to save money.

How many countries are in the world? You can't buy property in China, because the Chinese government OWNS it! Regardless what laws in other countries apply to their own situation, we are dealing with the USA...and the USA is a capitalist country. Guys like Rupert Murdoch from Australia is welcome. Honestly I don't see this to be a problem...as I fancy capitalism..even though I regard Murdoch as a morally corrupt human being.

 

[Againsheila]

How so Sheila? Were these home buyers licensed realtors and bankers? Is this what you are suggesting....?? Because it's sort of like when you become ill, and your doctor's prognosis is incorrect and you get blamed because you didn't know enough about medicine.

When yo buy real estate, you consult with licensed experts. The blame STOPS THERE!

Have you never heard of a second opinion? Of learning something for yourself? Yeah, we were offered that FannyMae mortgage back in the 80's, but we were too smart to take it. In fact, the realitor started showing us houses that were out of our range because I was working too and she was including my salary. I said no, if we buy a house, it will be one we can afford on ONE income. We saved up and made a downpayment and assumed a mortgage on another person's home when mortgages were 20%, we assumed an 11% mortgage. Then we sold that house and bought this one with $20,000 cash down and 6.75%. Yeah, it's a fixer upper but we love it and we've lived here now for 19 years. WE knew what we could afford and acted accordingly. No one, who includes 3 of his children's income to get a house should EVER be buying a home, he shouldn't even be a father.

I don't care how stupid you are, it's up to you to make intelligent decisions. To research the facts and to decide what's appropriate for you, if you can't do that, you have no business signing any papers in the first place.

Realtors don't work for you, they work for themselves. They get paid only if they make a sale and they will tell you anything to make that sale. I don't even understand how you can put them on the level of a doctor but even doctors have been known to be wrong, that's why there is such a thing as a second opinion

 

[Againsheila]

How many countries are in the world? You can't buy property in China, because the Chinese government OWNS it! Regardless what laws in other countries apply to their own situation, we are dealing with the USA...and the USA is a capitalist country. Guys like Rupert Murdoch from Australia is welcome. Honestly I don't see this to be a problem...as I fancy capitalism..even though I regard Murdoch as a morally corrupt human being.

If we lived in a capitalistic society, there wouldn't have just been a $700 billion bailout.

 

[Grismonda]

Have you never heard of a second opinion? Of learning something for yourself? Yeah, we were offered that FannyMae mortgage back in the 80's, but we were too smart to take it. In fact, the realitor started showing us houses that were out of our range because I was working too and she was including my salary. I said no, if we buy a house, it will be one we can afford on ONE income. We saved up and made a downpayment and assumed a mortgage on another person's home when mortgages were 20%, we assumed an 11% mortgage. Then we sold that house and bought this one with $20,000 cash down and 6.75%. Yeah, it's a fixer upper but we love it and we've lived here now for 19 years. WE knew what we could afford and acted accordingly. No one, who includes 3 of his children's income to get a house should EVER be buying a home, he shouldn't even be a father.

I don't care how stupid you are, it's up to you to make intelligent decisions. To research the facts and to decide what's appropriate for you, if you can't do that, you have no business signing any papers in the first place.

Realtors don't work for you, they work for themselves. They get paid only if they make a sale and they will tell you anything to make that sale. I don't even understand how you can put them on the level of a doctor but even doctors have been known to be wrong, that's why there is such a thing as a second opinion

Sweety, when you encounter a major finanacial crisis...say a catastrophic medical bill, then honey, you AIN'T affording that house! Most Americans going bankrupt today..are doing so because of the high costs of medical treatments. After going bankrupt, most forelose on their homes.... I wish you would do a little research... YOUR comment about yourself, not mine ...what was it that you said, "of learning something for yourself" Your syntax could use some improvement....but I'm sure you do mean, research a subject matter...do you not? So before you claim to be a self proclaimed expert on the "reasons" why so many people foreclose on homes...check out some stats, at least. Most Americans are up past their heads in bills...and these are for simple living items, food, school, health, insurance, clothes...etc. etc. They can't afford their house payments any longer.

I'm not sure what this subject has to do with the cost of deporting illegal aliens, except you want to blame Mexicans and others south of the border for the US foreclosure problems. It must suck to be you!

 

[Againsheila]

Sweety, when you encounter a major finanacial crisis...say a catastrophic medical bill, then honey, you AIN'T affording that house! Most Americans going bankrupt today..are doing so because of the high costs of medical treatments. After going bankrupt, most forelose on their homes.... I wish you would do a little research... YOUR comment about yourself, not mine ...what was it that you said, "of learning something for yourself" Your syntax could use some improvement....but I'm sure you do mean, research a subject matter...do you not? So before you claim to be a self proclaimed expert on the "reasons" why so many people foreclose on homes...check out some stats, at least. Most Americans are up past their heads in bills...and these are for simple living items, food, school, health, insurance, clothes...etc. etc. They can't afford their house payments any longer.

I'm not sure what this subject has to do with the cost of deporting illegal aliens, except you want to blame Mexicans and others south of the border for the US foreclosure problems. It must suck to be you!

Washington Times - MALKIN: Illegal immigrant factor

It's no coincidence that most of the areas hit hardest by the foreclosure wave - Loudoun County, Va., California's Inland Empire, Stockton and San Joaquin Valley, and Las Vegas and Phoenix, for starters - also happen to be some of the nation's largest illegal alien sanctuaries. Half of the mortgages to Hispanics are subprime (the accursed species of loan to borrowers with the shadiest credit histories). A quarter of all those subprime loans are in default and foreclosure.

The Washington Post noted, almost as an afterthought in a 2005 report: "Hispanics, the nation's fastest-growing major ethnic or racial group, have been courted aggressively by real estate agents, mortgage brokers and programs for first-time buyers that offer help with closing costs. Ads proclaim: "Sin verificacion de ingresos! Sin verificacion de documento!" - which loosely translates as, 'Income tax forms are not required, nor are immigration papers.'

The above are quotes, my words are below:

The truth is, were the illegals not here, the banks wouldn't have been recruiting them for home loans they couldn't afford in the first place. Add to that the fact that if they weren't here, Americans would be making a living wage, more Americans would be able to afford to purchase homes and the banks wouldn't have had to go recruiting the illegals.

Illegals TAKE jobs from Americans, the reduce our wages and the take our resources. We can't afford them.

 

[Grismonda]

Washington Times - MALKIN: Illegal immigrant factor

It's no coincidence that most of the areas hit hardest by the foreclosure wave - Loudoun County, Va., California's Inland Empire, Stockton and San Joaquin Valley, and Las Vegas and Phoenix, for starters - also happen to be some of the nation's largest illegal alien sanctuaries. Half of the mortgages to Hispanics are subprime (the accursed species of loan to borrowers with the shadiest credit histories). A quarter of all those subprime loans are in default and foreclosure.

The Washington Post noted, almost as an afterthought in a 2005 report: "Hispanics, the nation's fastest-growing major ethnic or racial group, have been courted aggressively by real estate agents, mortgage brokers and programs for first-time buyers that offer help with closing costs. Ads proclaim: "Sin verificacion de ingresos! Sin verificacion de documento!" - which loosely translates as, 'Income tax forms are not required, nor are immigration papers.'

The above are quotes, my words are below:

The truth is, were the illegals not here, the banks wouldn't have been recruiting them for home loans they couldn't afford in the first place. Add to that the fact that if they weren't here, Americans would be making a living wage, more Americans would be able to afford to purchase homes and the banks wouldn't have had to go recruiting the illegals.

Illegals TAKE jobs from Americans, the reduce our wages and the take our resources. We can't afford them.

THIS little piece says NOTHING with regards to whether these Hispanics are residing in the USA illegally! NOTHING! So, tell me, what in the heck does the foreclouse crisis have to do with illegal immigration? NOTHING!

The sample you have chosen to support your crazy ass theory: illegals are causing the foreclosure crisis, does not state "why" these folks are foreclosing on their homes.(let alone the fact these Hispanics are Aermicans) Yes, many foreclosures can be blamed on immoral realtors. BUT half of ALL foreclosures in the USA can be directly associated with the high cost of medical bills.

In recent years, there has been national alarm about the rising rate of home foreclosures, which now strike one in every 92 households in America and which contribute to even broader macroeconomic effects. The "standard account" of home foreclosure attributes this spike to loose lending practices, irresponsible borrowers, a flat real estate market, and rising interest rates. Based on our study of homeowners going through foreclosures in four states, we find that the standard account fails to represent the facts and thus makes a poor guide for policy. In contrast, we find that half of all foreclosures have medical causes, and we estimate that medical crises put 1.5 million Americans in jeopardy of losing their homes last year.

Get Sick, Get Out: The Medical Causes of Home Foreclosures

Get Sick, Get Out: The Medical Causes of Home Foreclosures Christopher T Robertson, Harvard University

 

[editec]

Yes...and no. There would be no child pornography if people didn't make it, but there wouldn't be any if people didn't buy it either. Both are guilty.

Both those who hire the illegals and the illegals themselves are guilty of breaking our laws. It's time to punish them all, including those who aid and abet them.

Quite right. But the question is how to do end the problem in some way that we can AFFORD to do.

What? Are we going to imprison millions of illegals costing us $35,000 a year to punish them with prison?

In the case of the illegals, it is far more effective to punish the corporations which hire them than to track down and deport them.

Deporting the illegals also serves no purpose whtever since they just come back over the boarder.

But would they come back if they couldn't find any jobs?

No, of course not. Why would they?

So going after the largest employers, and making examples of those would have a chilling effect on the other employers.

It's a best bang for the buck solution.

As more and more states and cities are cracking down on illegals and those who hire them, crime is increasing, what does that tell you? That these illegals came here illegally and they have no respect for our laws. Why should they? We don't punish them. Heck one of them in our state stole my friends car. He spent ONE night in jail. Do you know in Washington state you have to get caught stealing a car SEVEN times before they send you to prison? And we are very illegal friendly. We even give them driver's licenses and in state tuition.

Exactly! Punishing criminals of course is right, but that won't solve the illegal imigrant problem, will it? Most illegals are only people here to WORK for a living. They're not criminals EXCEPT that they are here illegally.

As the drug czars get more powerful in Mexico, they will push into our country and as we are not enforcing our own laws, it's the American people that are going to be hurt.

YUP!

 

[strollingbones]

Have you never heard of a second opinion? Of learning something for yourself? Yeah, we were offered that FannyMae mortgage back in the 80's, but we were too smart to take it. In fact, the realitor started showing us houses that were out of our range because I was working too and she was including my salary. I said no, if we buy a house, it will be one we can afford on ONE income. We saved up and made a downpayment and assumed a mortgage on another person's home when mortgages were 20%, we assumed an 11% mortgage. Then we sold that house and bought this one with $20,000 cash down and 6.75%. Yeah, it's a fixer upper but we love it and we've lived here now for 19 years. WE knew what we could afford and acted accordingly. No one, who includes 3 of his children's income to get a house should EVER be buying a home, he shouldn't even be a father.

I don't care how stupid you are, it's up to you to make intelligent decisions. To research the facts and to decide what's appropriate for you, if you can't do that, you have no business signing any papers in the first place.

Realtors don't work for you, they work for themselves. They get paid only if they make a sale and they will tell you anything to make that sale. I don't even understand how you can put them on the level of a doctor but even doctors have been known to be wrong, that's why there is such a thing as a second opinion

let me wade in here..first ..not all real estate agents are realtors....you join the board of realtors...simply paying for what the public perceives as some great title...an agent is working for the buyer unless otherwise noted by a "buyers agent" agreement. unless you hire an agent as a buyer...the agents all work for the seller.. an agent in held responsible for withholding information...you do have recourse thur civil court...the best way to buy a house is research your market...and hire a home inspector. guess what..in a normal real estate transaction the only person working for the buyer is the home inspector.

people are "upside down" on mortages due to home values fallling in the last year...20% or more. you could have made all the right decisions and still be upside down when the market falls. people brought into the allusion that home values would just continue to climb and were shocked when the housing market adjusted. the market was driven by low interest rates and shady lending practices...i.e. no down payment, no payments for a year....a the end of the year you are upside down...oweing more than the house is worth.

 

[Againsheila]

Quite right. But the question is how to do end the problem in some way that we can AFFORD to do.

What? Are we going to imprison millions of illegals costing us $35,000 a year to punish them with prison?

In the case of the illegals, it is far more effective to punish the corporations which hire them than to track down and deport them.

Deporting the illegals also serves no purpose whtever since they just come back over the boarder.

But would they come back if they couldn't find any jobs?

No, of course not. Why would they?

So going after the largest employers, and making examples of those would have a chilling effect on the other employers.

It's a best bang for the buck solution.








Exactly! Punishing criminals of course is right, but that won't solve the illegal imigrant problem, will it? Most illegals are only people here to WORK for a living. They're not criminals EXCEPT that they are here illegally.



YUP!

How about every illegal caught is deported and NEVER allowed to come here legally? How about if they get caught a second time they do prison time for two years before being sent back AND we take any and all of the illegals assets we can find?

How about the first time you get caught helping (or employing) an illegal you pay $1,000 find. The second time, $100,000, the third time we take all YOUR assets and put YOU in jail for two years?

All of that money can go to pay for deporting illegals and imprisioning them.

What do you want to bet the illegal immigration problem would end overnight?

 

[Againsheila]

Quite right. But the question is how to do end the problem in some way that we can AFFORD to do.

What? Are we going to imprison millions of illegals costing us $35,000 a year to punish them with prison?

In the case of the illegals, it is far more effective to punish the corporations which hire them than to track down and deport them.

Deporting the illegals also serves no purpose whtever since they just come back over the boarder.

But would they come back if they couldn't find any jobs?

No, of course not. Why would they?

So going after the largest employers, and making examples of those would have a chilling effect on the other employers.

It's a best bang for the buck solution.








Exactly! Punishing criminals of course is right, but that won't solve the illegal imigrant problem, will it? Most illegals are only people here to WORK for a living. They're not criminals EXCEPT that they are here illegally.



YUP!

let me wade in here..first ..not all real estate agents are realtors....you join the board of realtors...simply paying for what the public perceives as some great title...an agent is working for the buyer unless otherwise noted by a "buyers agent" agreement. unless you hire an agent as a buyer...the agents all work for the seller.. an agent in held responsible for withholding information...you do have recourse thur civil court...the best way to buy a house is research your market...and hire a home inspector. guess what..in a normal real estate transaction the only person working for the buyer is the home inspector.

people are "upside down" on mortages due to home values fallling in the last year...20% or more. you could have made all the right decisions and still be upside down when the market falls. people brought into the allusion that home values would just continue to climb and were shocked when the housing market adjusted. the market was driven by low interest rates and shady lending practices...i.e. no down payment, no payments for a year....a the end of the year you are upside down...oweing more than the house is worth.

More than that...increase in population, decrease in wages and insourcing and outsourcing of our jobs have made it very difficult for Americans to purchase homes. that's why banks losened the restrictions, that's why they went after the illegals and everyone they could. This is a disaster that started in the 70's with changes in corporate law that make our country corporate owned rather than owned by the people.

This is a depression. The problem is that there is no way for us to get out of this depression. The reason we got out of the last one was because we sold arms to the allies during WWII, we didn't enter the war until AFTER the allies ran out of money.

Now we are out of money and with our factories shipped overseas, I don't see a way out. Illegals are returning home in record numbers but those countries won't take poor Americans, we're stuck in this mess.

 

[editec]

How about every illegal caught is deported and NEVER allowed to come here legally?

What will they care? They could never have gotten in legally to begin with. And illegals who are deported ALREADY aren't allowed to ever immigrate here, anyway. That just doesn't have any effect on them.

How about if they get caught a second time they do prison time for two years before being sent back AND we take any and all of the illegals assets we can find?

So we've got 10,000,000 illegals costing us $70,000 EACH for their two years in prison?!

That plan would cost us $70,000,000,000,000 (that's $70 TRILLION dollars, BTW) NOT including the cost of rounding them up and giving them all trials.

I'm afraid your plan to punish these basically innocent people (except for being illegals, I mean) is highly unworkable.

These illegals don't need to be punished.

They need to be disencentivized from staying here, an incentivized to leave America under their own power and on their own dime.

How about the first time you get caught helping (or employing) an illegal you pay $1,000 find. The second time, $100,000, the third time we take all YOUR assets and put YOU in jail for two years?

Well, it's better than putting the illegals in prison, I guess. It actually goes to the heart of the problem...which is not the illegals, but their AMERICAN EMPLOYERS.

All of that money can go to pay for deporting illegals and imprisioning them.

I don't think you fully understand how expensive deporting and imprisoning these people really would be.

 

[Sovereignty]

The Americans didn't tell illegal aliens to jump the fence and enter into the United States illegally and break the laws. If they did please post your source!

If you break the law in America there will be consequences. We are a Nation of Laws the Rule Of Law will prevail. No one is above the law not even illegal aliens.

The cost to deport illegal aliens as stated on the Senate Floor by Senator Ted Kennedy is:

The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period."

Source:

http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.o...eportation.pdf

 

[Againsheila]

THIS little piece says NOTHING with regards to whether these Hispanics are residing in the USA illegally! NOTHING! So, tell me, what in the heck does the foreclouse crisis have to do with illegal immigration? NOTHING!

What part of "Ads proclaim: "Sin verificacion de ingresos! Sin verificacion de documento!" - which loosely translates as, 'Income tax forms are not required, nor are immigration papers.'"

Don't you understand?

 

[Wolfmoon]

The Americans didn't tell illegal aliens to jump the fence and enter into the United States illegally and break the laws. If they did please post your source!

If you break the law in America there will be consequences. We are a Nation of Laws the Rule Of Law will prevail. No one is above the law not even illegal aliens.

The cost to deport illegal aliens as stated on the Senate Floor by Senator Ted Kennedy is:

The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period."

Source:

http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.o...eportation.pdf

In my opinion (IMO), the cost seem cheap. I think America can recover from the economic crisis but we would never recover from amnesty.