The Cost To Deport Illegal Aliens

[gts]

yes the laws need to be enforced but I also think that some laws need to be changed. These people should have absolutely NO rights in our system at all. Call it what you will but they should have absolutely no rights to anything, civil or not.

 

[sealybobo]

yes the laws need to be enforced but I also think that some laws need to be changed. These people should have absolutely NO rights in our system at all. Call it what you will but they should have absolutely no rights to anything, civil or not.

NONE! If you get caught, it is at your own risk!

I don't get caught in South Central LA.

And you should see Mexico's laws against us being there illegally. Ours should be at least as strict as theirs is.

 

[aztech]

It'd be a lot cheaper than that $700 billion (or is it trillion) bailout that our government passed, and the bailout most likely wouldn't be needed if those people weren't here in the first place.

That is the silliest comments I have read. What do illegal immigrants have to do with Banks offering loans to people who can not afford them? What do they have to do with people borrowing more and more just to keep up with the spending of their next door neighbor?

We are in this situation due to the greed and stupidity of the people running these organizations and I am sure you will find that no illegal immigrants are running them.

 

[aztech]

There are laws all over this land to deal with illegal immigration. The problem, as has been stated, is it is seen as politically incorrect do do anything about it.

Sheriffs are too worried that people will not vote for them, because they kick them out. Employers do not want to do anything about it, as it is a source of cheap workers. Laws are laws, we do not get to pick which ones we like and which ones we dont.

If people want to come and live here, follow the law, make your application, pay the fees....just as others have done, and then come and be a positive member of society. If you do not want to do that, then we reserve the right to arrest you and kick you out...you have broken the laws of our land...just as if you had robbed a bank or killed some one.

 

[Againsheila]

That is the silliest comments I have read. What do illegal immigrants have to do with Banks offering loans to people who can not afford them? What do they have to do with people borrowing more and more just to keep up with the spending of their next door neighbor?

We are in this situation due to the greed and stupidity of the people running these organizations and I am sure you will find that no illegal immigrants are running them.

Maybe not, but you'll find a heck of a lot of them got those sub prime loans.

 

[aztech]

Explain to me again, how those without social security numbers, driving licenses and bank accounts (which is the case for almost all illegal immigrants) got sub prime loans????? Because if they did..that is a reflection on the banking system and not the immigrants.

 

[Sovereignty]

Identity Theft is a family tradition.

 

[aztech]

You have to love stereotypes...pathetic.

 

[Vel]

Really how much aid are they getting if they are illegal? Last time I checked you have to prove you are a citizen to get state funded health care and other services! .

If that's the case, then someone should explain how Obama's illegal alien Aunt has been living in public housing for the last 4 years.

 

[DiveCon]

If that's the case, then someone should explain how Obama's illegal alien Aunt has been living in public housing for the last 4 years.

OUCH

too much truth in that one

 

[Againsheila]

Explain to me again, how those without social security numbers, driving licenses and bank accounts (which is the case for almost all illegal immigrants) got sub prime loans????? Because if they did..that is a reflection on the banking system and not the immigrants.

By using tax id numbers and the mexican consulate cards (which btw aren't even accepted in mexico for ID). And of course, there's the id theft.

And you're right, the banking industry never should have loaned to them. Then again, if they weren't here, they wouldn't have and we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now and our wages would be higher and we wouldn't be spending $700 billion bailing out the banks.

 

[aztech]

You right wing nut jobs are funny...blame everyone else except the ones with the power. People need to stop listening to Fox News and blogs by people who have an IQ of 5 and start doing a little bit of leg work and research on their own.

Who gave loans to people? Who got rid of the oversite of the banking system? Who ignored all the signs when they started a year ago?

It is amazing to me that people are blaming the illegal immigrants for the global collapse of the banking systems...maybe the Mexicans also went to China, Iceland, Germany, Hong Kong, Japan, Australia and the UK....yeah....thats it...those bloody illegals, its all their fault....

If you people were not so pathetic, you would be funny.

 

[DiveCon]

You right wing nut jobs are funny...blame everyone else except the ones with the power. People need to stop listening to Fox News and blogs by people who have an IQ of 5 and start doing a little bit of leg work and research on their own.

Who gave loans to people? Who got rid of the oversite of the banking system? Who ignored all the signs when they started a year ago?

It is amazing to me that people are blaming the illegal immigrants for the global collapse of the banking systems...maybe the Mexicans also went to China, Iceland, Germany, Hong Kong, Japan, Australia and the UK....yeah....thats it...those bloody illegals, its all their fault....

If you people were not so pathetic, you would be funny.

wow, you dont know what you're talking about and calling others names

 

[aztech]

If I do not know what I am talking about, please explain it to me, I am happy to learn

 

[DiveCon]

If I do not know what I am talking about, please explain it to me, I am happy to learn

i guess you missed all those vids of Barny Franks and other dems huh

 

[editec]

So, do you think of illegal aliens as nothing but modern day slaves, indentured serfs? The illegal aliens do get welfare, public housing, food stamps medicare from the federal government and the taxpayer’s pay for it ALL.

They're not legally eligible for it, you know. Doubt me? Do feel free to check it out if you do.

The illegal alien's children get free educations, translators, school lunches and after school care, college tuition and medical care. These programs were created for low income Americans and they're being abused by illegal aliens.

They get college tuition? Can you document that for me? That's absurd if they are.

The illegal aliens also get many more benefits. The illegal alien can get unemployment benefits,

Again, are you sure about that?

they get the benefit of escaping the law for, identity theft which ruins American lives, drunk driving and driving without a drivers license.

Yes, this is a problem, I am sure. When people have no legal status, when they're living essantially underground, then such things are definititelly a problem.

Most are paid cash under the table, that's call tax evasion.

True...who pays them under the table? Americans perhaps?

I think it would be safe to say, “ All illegal aliens get a free, “Get Out Of Jail Free Card”.

Do they? Or do they just get away with most of their crimes?

Before the Grassroots organizantions and Pro-American uprising reguarding illegal aliens, it was a free-for-all for illegal aliens, with the American taxpayers footing the bills. We've all been the personal "Government Mushroom Patch", kept in the dark and fed bullshyte.

While I'm not sure about many of your claims about the benefits illegals are getting, I am on board with your desire to get them out of the country.

And the way we do that is to seriously punish those who hire them.

It's a pretty simple formula, really

No jobs = no illegals

 

[editec]

You right wing nut jobs are funny...blame everyone else except the ones with the power. People need to stop listening to Fox News and blogs by people who have an IQ of 5 and start doing a little bit of leg work and research on their own.

They're grasping at straws is, I think, the term you're seeking. Aztech

Who gave loans to people? Who got rid of the oversite of the banking system? Who ignored all the signs when they started a year ago?

If illegals got NINA loans, (something I seriously doubt happened very often) then you are right. The mortgage originators are at fault, of course.

It is amazing to me that people are blaming the illegal immigrants for the global collapse of the banking systems...maybe the Mexicans also went to China, Iceland, Germany, Hong Kong, Japan, Australia and the UK....yeah....thats it...those bloody illegals, its all their fault....

Exactly. Blaming the mortgage crises on the illegals is simply a load of xenophobic nonsense.

If you people were not so pathetic, you would be funny.

It is rather amusing watching these so called conservatives neo-con folks deperate seeking to create another narrative to explain the world, isn't it?

You see, Aztech, everything they thought they knew has turned out to be wrong.

They've been lied to and lied to and lied to, but since those lies appealed to their vanity, their racism, and their goofy social values, they bought them hook line and sinker.

But now that they've seen that their leaders are kleptocrats, they're seeking another scapegoat to explain what is happening.

In this thread, the illegals are the root source of the problem.

They just cannot bring themselves to admit that they were lied to, and the people they trusted are crooks.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I don't think they are modern day slaves! I was just stating they needed a group of people to do the work other's would not. And why don't you look at how much money they pay into social security by using someones else's idea which they will never collect. Plus you are never going to get them out of this country completly and we should waste even more tax dollars trying to do so. Yes we should enforce our laws but we cannot have some massive deportion!

Actually the way it works is when it is discovered that they are not whom they claim to be those dollars collected are stripped from social security and just go into general funds. The Government may make out a bit but no citizen does.

Further the vast majority of the money illegals make is shipped OUT of country back to Mexico, except what they have to pay to survive here all their income goes home. The only one making money off that is the wire transfer companies. Or the post office.

 

[Againsheila]

They're not legally eligible for it, you know. Doubt me? Do feel free to check it out if you do.





They get college tuition? Can you document that for me? That's absurd if they are.



Again, are you sure about that?



Yes, this is a problem, I am sure. When people have no legal status, when they're living essantially underground, then such things are definititelly a problem.




True...who pays them under the table? Americans perhaps?



Do they? Or do they just get away with most of their crimes?



While I'm not sure about many of your claims about the benefits illegals are getting, I am on board with your desire to get them out of the country.

And the way we do that is to seriously punish those who hire them.

It's a pretty simple formula, really

No jobs = no illegals

Yes...and no. There would be no child pornography if people didn't make it, but there wouldn't be any if people didn't buy it either. Both are guilty. Both those who hire the illegals and the illegals themselves are guilty of breaking our laws. It's time to punish them all, including those who aid and abet them.


As more and more states and cities are cracking down on illegals and those who hire them, crime is increasing, what does that tell you? That these illegals came here illegally and they have no respect for our laws. Why should they? We don't punish them. Heck one of them in our state stole my friends car. He spent ONE night in jail. Do you know in Washington state you have to get caught stealing a car SEVEN times before they send you to prison? And we are very illegal friendly. We even give them driver's licenses and in state tuition.

As the drug czars get more powerful in Mexico, they will push into our country and as we are not enforcing our own laws, it's the American people that are going to be hurt.

 

[Luissa]

Actually the way it works is when it is discovered that they are not whom they claim to be those dollars collected are stripped from social security and just go into general funds. The Government may make out a bit but no citizen does.

Further the vast majority of the money illegals make is shipped OUT of country back to Mexico, except what they have to pay to survive here all their income goes home. The only one making money off that is the wire transfer companies. Or the post office.

Actually in most case they don't put it into a general fund, most of the time they don't do anything! I had an illegal using my number, do you think anyone has done anything. I even called the IRS since they paid taxes for me also which by the way I didnot get back or even get a W2 for.Do you think the IRS has done anything? All I got was something on identy theft. I also called the company they worked for, the guy got real nervous and then never called me back.
Like someones else said on here, we need to start solving the real problem! They wouldn't come here if they couldn't find work or recieve other services. They couldn't get any sort of benefits if people did there job! You guys blame the illegals who are just trying to do whatever it takes to provide for their family when really you should blame the people who keep letting the problem go on by hiring them and giving them reason to come to the US.