the constitution circa 1924

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    Read it and weep all you alleged strict constitutionalists:

    Gitlow v. New York - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    So between 1833 and 1925 the bill of rights could be suspended in the various states by state law.

    Is that the conservative past you want to return to? Is that the strict constitutionalism you long for?
     
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    That is the current SC ruling, that the federal government can punish or suppress speech if that speech advocates the unlawful overthrow of the government.

    I wonder how many times that has happened on this board.
     
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    Oh come on! There must be at least one alleged "strict constitutionalist" who is willing to admit that their head exploded when they found out that for the first 137 years of our nation's history the bill of rights was not enforceable within the states.

    IOW you really had no rights except those the states provided. Unless of course you lived in DC or within a territory or military base.
     
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    The essence of the Constitution is to improve a good, but imperfect document.

    Through the amendment process.

    Which has been done more than two dozen times.
     
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    In this case only activist judges provided bill of rights protections to the citizens of the many states.
     
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    So is this the Liberal talking point now to trash the Constitution? I won't accept your Liberal premise that "we want to return to that time". Bullshit, no one is saying that except you Liberals.

    Conservatism means smaller, less intrusive government that doesn't spend us into extinction. Something you Liberal/Communists still fail to understand.
     
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    Liberal =/= Communist. I think we can both agree that the Democratic party is the more liberal party (obviously). Would you care to explain then why the Democrats would: start the Cold War, Start the Vietnam war, start the Korean war, if they're such Communists? Do you even know what a Communist is? Hint: it's different than being a Socialist. If you're going to throw out labels, and political ideals as accusations-at least know what they mean. Once you do your homework and learn what those things are-come back.

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    All you Liberals do is fight for complete control of the the economic engine and control over peoples lives via a nanny state. Find out which party the Communist Party USA backs for your own self, I already know.

    Democrats starting the Cold War/Korean War and Vietnam War doesn't mean they aren't Communists NOW. It means that they used to love America and would defend it, that's not the case now. Just look at Obama's "Apology World Tour" that he went on.

    Obama (Democrat) has appointed people to his administration who admire Chairman Mao (Communist).

    Liberals = Communism. Do some reading on the modern Liberal/Progressive and come back.
     
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    Not really. Should it bother me? I mean the Bill of Rights is a federal Bill of Rights. It says Congress shall make no law, not States shall make no law.

    Of course, things have changed since the passage of the 14th amendment and the doctrine of incorporation has been active.
     
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    First of all: I'm not a liberal.

    Second of all I love this country, and have two members of my immediate family buried in Arlington-so don't tell me I don't love this country. My family has been sacrificed for it.

    Third of all just because members of the communist party in the USA tend to back the Democrats-has no reflection on the Democratic party. Members of the Ku Klux Klan, and the American Nazi party tend to support Republicans over the Democrats-does this mean the Republicans are Nazis and Klan members? Of course not-that's just silly.

    Fourth of all socialism essentially is when the workers own the means of production, and communism is when the government owns the means of production, or at least decides who does. Those are two fundamentally different systems. Now I don't endorse either one-but you can't be both a socialist and a communist-they're different.

    Finally what Communist programs has Obama put in place in the US since taking office? Health care? You realize that it's not going to make the health care industry run by the government right? Or make it so the government would appoint the heads of the health care companies. So name one Communist-like program or law Obama has set in place.
     
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