The Climate Science Isn't Settled

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    This has got to be one of the better pieces I have read on the subject.

    Richard S. Lindzen: The Climate Science Isn't Settled - WSJ.com
    Finally a voice of reason.
     
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    Dr. Richard S. Lindzen ( b. February 8, 1940) is the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

    He is one of the leading global warming skeptics and is a member of the Science, Health, and Economic Advisory Council, of the Annapolis Center, a Maryland-based think tank which has been funded by corporations including ExxonMobil.

    Ross Gelbspan, journalist and author, wrote a 1995 article in Harper's Magazine which was critical of Lindzen and other global warming skeptics. In the article, Gelbspan reports Lindzen charged "oil and coal interests $2,500 a day for his consulting services; [and] his 1991 trip to testify before a Senate committee was paid for by Western Fuels and a speech he wrote, entitled 'Global Warming: the Origin and Nature of Alleged Scientific Consensus,' was underwritten by OPEC."

    Views on health risks of smoking

    Lindzen has claimed that the risks of smoking, including passive smoking, may be overstated. In 2001, Newsweek journalist Fred Guterl reported, after an interview with Lindzen, "Lindzen clearly relishes the role of naysayer. He'll even expound on how weakly lung cancer is linked to cigarette smoking. He speaks in full, impeccably logical paragraphs, and he punctuates his measured cadences with thoughtful drags on a cigarette."

    Wiki, sourcewatch
     
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    yeah and your heroes destroy raw data

    let he who is without sin cast the first stone and all that
     
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    Prostituting one's credentials is far more lucrative than engaging in real research. Scratch most of the present Denialists, and under the surface you find someone who whored for the tobacco companies in the past. Lindzen and Singer are especially prominent in this regard.

    Researching global warming skeptics - SourceWatch

    Why document the skeptics?
    All too commonly, media consumers are given scant background information on who they are, their scientific credentials (if any), any ties they have to corporate funded think tanks or past claims they have made that were incorrect. Some were defenders of the tobacco industry when they were affiliated with think tanks the tobacco companies funded. Some of these have now moved on to be deniers of global warming with think tanks that have been or are funded by fossil fuel companies such as Exxon. Not surprisingly, connections such as these are rarely included in the promotional materials circulated by the skeptics or groups such as the Heartland Institute.

    Just as commonly, skeptics who aren't affiliated with think tanks make a lot of noise disputing scientific information that is outside their expertise. Even where they do have real climate science credentials they often champion claims rejected by the overwhelming bulk of climate scientists within that discipline.

    Having a well rounded and documented page on the leading skeptics in SourceWatch can be a powerful antidote to the often limited disclosure statements of the individuals and think tanks disputing global warming. Within a short period, SourceWatch pages will float to the top of Google rankings and allow citizens and journalists to get the best synthesis of information available in the individual.
     
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    Gee, here I thought I was bringing you good news Skull...Lindzen doesn't believe that cig is gonna kill you...

    Maybe you should edit your comment...

    "Finally a voice of ExxonMobil and OPEC"
     
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    Proof of which is? And show where this data was not replicated by data in other places.
     
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    what's cigarette smoke got to do with anything?
     
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    I remember a time when skepticism was the hallmark of science.

    there seems to be some disagreement on the data does there not?

    Seriously doesn't common sense tell you that 150 years of recorded data where the older data must be considered less accurate due to technological advances along with guesstimated data from extrapolations from a few ice cores and tree rings just does not seem sufficient to start screaming that the sky is falling?

    That there was even the appearance of scientific impropriety should give us all pause. But the true believers will not waver in their nearly religious end of the world beliefs.

    the science is not settled.
     
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    Some were defenders of the tobacco industry when they were affiliated with think tanks the tobacco companies funded. Some of these have now moved on to be deniers of global warming with think tanks that have been or are funded by fossil fuel companies such as Exxon.

    Hello? Why are we arguing with an empty skull...:eek: ?
     
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    OHHHHH

    i get it the tobacco industry is responsible for global warming.


    Does the fact that many of your heroes are funded by the government bother you as much as those funded by Exxon.

    the government has an agenda too you know. Specifically to declare global warming some sort of emergency so as to impose more taxes and controls on us.

    Follow the money honey. those that didn't give the results governments wanted to hear didn't get more funding did they?
     

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