The Climate-Industrial Complex

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    The Climate-Industrial Complex - WSJ.com
    Cap and trade is the worst idea.

    Why is it that politicians seems to believe that raising the price of everything will be good for people?

    And why is it that a tax break for going green is never discussed?
     
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    Cap and trade is an attempt to finally put the cost of pollution on the cost of products.

    While I completely understand that the net effect will be to make things more costly, and that it is highly probable that they're get it wrong anyway, in principle, forcing the consumers to pay for the environmental degradation that the products they use actually does make sense.

    Pollution and the environmental damage it is causing is just Gods way of reminding us that there really is NO FREE LUNCH.

    We all live downwind, folks.
     
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    the article was great. your comment not so good.

    there is no difference between cap and trade and tax breaks. both would result in redistribution of resources in the economy from optimal to non optimal. the cost, in either scenario, is borne by EVERYBODY except the green companies themselves.

    either you have free market or you have fascism. how you accomplish the latter is irrelevant.

    man-made global warming is a massive scam.

    we drink water poisoned with chlorine and fluoride. we eat genetically modified food poisoned with non-biodegradable pesticides. we do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to end THAT yet we worry about the sea level rising one foot over the next 100 years DUE TO INCREASED SUN SPOT ACTIVITY.
     
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    Neuro, what part of the TRUE cost of products was never actually computed is so hard for you to understand, exactly?

    Costs not only include the enpense of making something, but the environmental damage that the product causes, too.

    Now computing those damages is frught with potential mistakes, on that we can probably agree.

    But adding the REAL costs of a product (from creation to elimination) does make sense, I think.
     
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    ....and would more than likely would be done by politicians, whose track record of guesstimating the costs of anything and everything is laughable.

    FWIW, most of the nebulous costs of "environmental damage" are figured in by way of efficiency of production.....Waste = inefficiency, therefore affects the profit end of the balance sheet.
     
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