The climate crusaders say coal is dying! LOL!!

[Old Rocks]

Yes, coal is dying.

 

[skookerasbil]

Yes, coal is dying.

Ahhh perhaps.....but at the rate of a slug crawling from New York to California which all your silly graphs fAiL to display!! Displaying growth rate graphs convey a fake perception which are accepted only by low information meatheads.

By 2050, all reputable projection sources have coal still providing 20%-23% of energy to the globe. Is that "dying"? We will let viewers of this thread decide!

Again, you should know by now that you're loose association semantics crap is invariably going to be exposed in here. Operational definitions of misleading loosey-goosey words like "dying" will always be placed in proper context in here.

( btw....we need a crawling slug emoticon on the USMB if only to be able to quick reference progressives semantic trickery stuff )

 

[flacaltenn]

Yes, coal is dying.

You do understand that when NEW CAPACITY is not needed at all because Demand is down, that 92% of NOTHING is STILL nothing right?

You do understand that you don't INCREASE overall capacity and margins with either wind or solar --- RIGHT?

I'm hoping that you do by now. You can't INCREASE overall Grid Capacity or margins with JUST sketchy wind and solar, because literally their ENTIRE CONTRIBUTION has to be backed by an EVER-READY RELIABLE generation source of some other kind.

So you're graph title is really a lie. What's happening in that chart is that REDUNDANT SUPPLEMENTS are being added to the EXISTING Grid Capacity so that "occasionally" these wind/solar supplements PREEMPT the use of primary generators IF they are stable and reliable for that period of use.. It's not INCREASED capacity of any kind.

 

[Billy_Bob]

What's happening in that chart is that REDUNDANT SUPPLEMENTS are being added to the EXISTING Grid Capacity so that "occasionally" these wind/solar supplements PREEMPT the use of primary generators IF they are stable and reliable for that period of use.. It's not INCREASED capacity of any kind.

Old fraud has no cognitive skills. Adding more amperage causes massive voltage spikes making the grid very unstable.

 

[flacaltenn]

What's happening in that chart is that REDUNDANT SUPPLEMENTS are being added to the EXISTING Grid Capacity so that "occasionally" these wind/solar supplements PREEMPT the use of primary generators IF they are stable and reliable for that period of use.. It's not INCREASED capacity of any kind.

Old fraud has no cognitive skills. Adding more amperage causes massive voltage spikes making the grid very unstable.

Solar is pretty easy to anticipate and mix in. So you just reduce the Nat gas gens for the day time peak. You're operating with a 15% "overage" margin in capacity anyways or should be. So solar's role is a "daytime PEAKING generator". Makes some sense up to 15% of your GENERAL backbone capacity.

((Unless you live in N. Germany or the UK and have over-bought your solar. Look at the YEARLY plots for that UK energy dashboard I linked to -- Solar took Nov -- Jan OFF last winter in the UK. It was less than 20% of its INSTALLED capacity on the best days for those months. )))

Wind OTH -- isn't even marketable. You can not schedule it or market it or sell it on the daily/monthly wholesale markets. It takes WEEKS OFF at a time. And DOES create the possibility for "blowing up the grid" with "amperage" spikes. It really has no business "on-grid" without MASSIVE and UBER expensive battery or pumped storage.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Wind OTH -- isn't even marketable. You can not schedule it or market it or sell it on the daily/monthly wholesale markets. It takes WEEKS OFF at a time. And DOES create the possibility for "blowing up the grid" with "amperage" spikes. It really has no business "on-grid".

The Laramie range is a wind zone 5-6. It has wind for about 18 hours a day due to the up slope to the Continental divide and there is almost always a high pressure and low pressure on one side or the other.

Its rough scheduling maintenance of many turbines in this area due to this, as the wind is always in the 20-30 knot range. Major rebuilds have to be scheduled during lulls in late summer and early spring (equinox creates the lowest pressure gradients). Most of the fields now have massive capacitor banks to take the shock of starts and stops keeping the power spike hits to the grid at a minimum.

The day a viable storage/retention system is found is the day the technology will become useful.

 

[Billy_Bob]

I tire of people like you, true believers who use personal attacks ("pseudo educated dupe", for example) and bandy about statistics as if they (you) are an authority.

My BA degrees were in History and Poli Sci, my Master's in the Dept of Education, a special studies program: Human Relations (course work in Psyc. Sociology, Social Psyc. Anthropology, Counseling and IR). And, my education during my 32 year career in Law Enforcement.

Of course I had Math and Science lower division courses (Chem, Physics and Biology). My opinion is based on secondary sources, such as those listed in this link to a number of studies:

Google Scholar

Hm. Not one of your degrees is in an exact science. All subjective all the time eh. No wonder you don't understand how MEASUREMENT works.

And you probably believe 2 + 2 always = 4

It all depends on which measurement scale is being used, cupcake.

Good for you. Be honest now, did you look it up?

I tire of people like you, true believers who use personal attacks ("pseudo educated dupe", for example) and bandy about statistics as if they (you) are an authority.

My BA degrees were in History and Poli Sci, my Master's in the Dept of Education, a special studies program: Human Relations (course work in Psyc. Sociology, Social Psyc. Anthropology, Counseling and IR). And, my education during my 32 year career in Law Enforcement.

Of course I had Math and Science lower division courses (Chem, Physics and Biology). My opinion is based on secondary sources, such as those listed in this link to a number of studies:

Google Scholar

Hm. Not one of your degrees is in an exact science. All subjective all the time eh. No wonder you don't understand how MEASUREMENT works.

And you probably believe 2 + 2 always = 4

What a stupid comment.

You have Been SHOWN numerous times now that Coal is expanding and that the climate we live in is still well within natural variations.

Per Decade warming rate very similar to past warming rates back to the 1800's.
No increase in Tornadoes counts despite the improvement in technology.
Decrease in Landfalling Hurricanes, NO increase in total cyclone energy.
INCREASE in snow and cold in the last 10 years.
Antarctica ice near highest level of instrumental record.
Small increase in precipitation.
on and on it goes in the very opposite of what the AGW conjecture would project to happen.

Yawn.

No, I'm old enough that I still have my K&E slide rule. How about you?

The real question is, do you remember how to use it?

 

[skookerasbil]

Yes, coal is dying.

You do understand that when NEW CAPACITY is not needed at all because Demand is down, that 92% of NOTHING is STILL nothing right?

You do understand that you don't INCREASE overall capacity and margins with either wind or solar --- RIGHT?

I'm hoping that you do by now. You can't INCREASE overall Grid Capacity or margins with JUST sketchy wind and solar, because literally their ENTIRE CONTRIBUTION has to be backed by an EVER-READY RELIABLE generation source of some other kind.

So you're graph title is really a lie. What's happening in that chart is that REDUNDANT SUPPLEMENTS are being added to the EXISTING Grid Capacity so that "occasionally" these wind/solar supplements PREEMPT the use of primary generators IF they are stable and reliable for that period of use.. It's not INCREASED capacity of any kind.

Old Rocks knows well he is posting a misleading graph. That is the play from progressives these days on all fronts, not only climate science. They do it on guns, crime, immigration....you name it.

But that's the reason for our presence in this forum: to provide the casual observer with the facts if they care to to take a closer look. For me drawing the analogies are a hoot to do.... makes these people look positively foolish.

Trying to sell solar and wind as this "changing the world" entity is as dopey as trying to sell men on flat chested women, "Your lust for big boobs is misguided!!"

@www.whatthefuck?.com

 

[Sunsettommy]

Yes, coal is dying.

Hard to read and no link is posted.

 

[westwall]

Hm. Not one of your degrees is in an exact science. All subjective all the time eh. No wonder you don't understand how MEASUREMENT works.

And you probably believe 2 + 2 always = 4

It all depends on which measurement scale is being used, cupcake.

Good for you. Be honest now, did you look it up?

Hm. Not one of your degrees is in an exact science. All subjective all the time eh. No wonder you don't understand how MEASUREMENT works.

And you probably believe 2 + 2 always = 4

What a stupid comment.

You have Been SHOWN numerous times now that Coal is expanding and that the climate we live in is still well within natural variations.

Per Decade warming rate very similar to past warming rates back to the 1800's.
No increase in Tornadoes counts despite the improvement in technology.
Decrease in Landfalling Hurricanes, NO increase in total cyclone energy.
INCREASE in snow and cold in the last 10 years.
Antarctica ice near highest level of instrumental record.
Small increase in precipitation.
on and on it goes in the very opposite of what the AGW conjecture would project to happen.

Yawn.

No, I'm old enough that I still have my K&E slide rule. How about you?

The real question is, do you remember how to use it?

Sort of. It's only been thirty years !

 

[TheMoreYouKnow]

100 jobs created for coal. Thousands let go at Harley, Boeing and Carrier...way to go Orange Marmalade! Hey I hear Omaha Wagon Wheel Co is hiring die to their comeback in their booming industry!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

100 jobs created for coal. Thousands let go at Harley, Boeing and Carrier...way to go Orange Marmalade! Hey I hear Omaha Wagon Wheel Co is hiring die to their comeback in their booming industry!

Let's add 30,000 more regulations, that'll help manufacturing!!!

 

[skookerasbil]

100 jobs created for coal. Thousands let go at Harley, Boeing and Carrier...way to go Orange Marmalade! Hey I hear Omaha Wagon Wheel Co is hiring die to their comeback in their booming industry!

Let's add 30,000 more regulations, that'll help manufacturing!!!

Holy Fuck....Todd....check the guys avatar!!!

Tells you all you need to know.... another guy who really does think coal is dying.

I love this forum!

 

[bripat9643]

100 jobs created for coal. Thousands let go at Harley, Boeing and Carrier...way to go Orange Marmalade! Hey I hear Omaha Wagon Wheel Co is hiring die to their comeback in their booming industry!

Let's add 30,000 more regulations, that'll help manufacturing!!!

Holy Fuck....Todd....check the guys avatar!!!

Tells you all you need to know.... another guy who really does think coal is dying.

I love this forum!

It reminds you of these guys, doesn't it?:

 

[skookerasbil]

In the AM edition of REALCLEAR Energy today....

Coal fades in developed world but is far from dead in Asia | Financial Times



@www.progressivesarefullofshit.com

 

[Sunsettommy]

WUWT?

June 17, 2018

TOTAL FAILURE of the climate crusade: Coal power has the same energy share it had 20 years ago

Excerpt:

"A couple of days ago, we noted that this year’s edition of BP’s annual Statistical Review of World Energy report on global energy use is out, and it contains one of the most telling charts about the failure of the climate crusade’s “war on coal” ever presented.

Most of the lamestream media coverage has focused on this particular chart from the BP report, which shows coal having a small uptick in 2017 after several years of decline. Doesn’t look like much, does it? Just a blip. Nothing for the enviro-faithful to worry about, the net trend is still down, right? They are blaming president Trump for it."

 

[Billy_Bob]

WUWT?

June 17, 2018

TOTAL FAILURE of the climate crusade: Coal power has the same energy share it had 20 years ago

Excerpt:

"A couple of days ago, we noted that this year’s edition of BP’s annual Statistical Review of World Energy report on global energy use is out, and it contains one of the most telling charts about the failure of the climate crusade’s “war on coal” ever presented.

Most of the lamestream media coverage has focused on this particular chart from the BP report, which shows coal having a small uptick in 2017 after several years of decline. Doesn’t look like much, does it? Just a blip. Nothing for the enviro-faithful to worry about, the net trend is still down, right? They are blaming president Trump for it."

That is the problem with statistics, change the qualifier for counting or the base line and you can make it say anything you want. Wyoming production jumped 40% in the last year.. it doesn't appear to reflect reality to me.

 

[Old Rocks]

Beyond the Coal Boom: Powder River Basin Residents Look to a Diversified Future | The Bill Lane Center for the American West

Really? Care to post a link to that?

 

[Sunsettommy]

Beyond the Coal Boom: Powder River Basin Residents Look to a Diversified Future | The Bill Lane Center for the American West

Really? Care to post a link to that?

You are as clueless as ever.

Your article doesn't disprove the fact that Coals share of energy consumption is the same after 20 years.

 

[Sunsettommy]

U.S. coal production, exports, and prices increased in 2017