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It is very interesting to see his responses when a simple reading of the Bible makes it abundantly clear that many will not be saved. You have to ignore virtually the entire thing to make that case.Maybe you should find out what the Great Commission is before you display your ignorance more.That's God's way to make the gospel spread, men can use it for their ill will though.
What else do you think that the "good news" can convey?
God does not use money to spread the truth, he uses his Holy Spirit to communicate his message.
His demons won't let him read the Bible.It is very interesting to see his responses when a simple reading of the Bible makes it abundantly clear that many will not be saved. You have to ignore virtually the entire thing to make that case.Maybe you should find out what the Great Commission is before you display your ignorance more.That's God's way to make the gospel spread, men can use it for their ill will though.
What else do you think that the "good news" can convey?
God does not use money to spread the truth, he uses his Holy Spirit to communicate his message.
Priests didn't farm. They relied on tithes and first fruits and fish and herbs that were brought to the Temple. The premise is that the more time the Priests had to fend for themselves the less time they had to spend in prayer on the behalf of the tither. Let's ask Christ what He thinks about it:
The latter He refers to is Love. The former He refers to is tithing.You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
He said:
You tithe your mint and rue, as well you should....an ignore the weightier issue of love.
That was to the Jewish Pharisees.
The Gentiles are not under Jewish Law.
But there is something unique about tithing.
It comes with a remarkable promise. And it works. It is the only time that I know of where our Father says, "Test me on this."
Here are the rules. 1/10th of income OFF OF THE TOP< not from what might be left over after you pay bills or buy groceries. 1/10th off the top, set it aside in an envelope, and give it to a church quickly before you are tempted to use some for gas money. And, It is not charity to be given to an organization.
That part is God's.
IF you increase that amount by 25% or more, God promises to return it all back to you X 7.
You made $100.00. $10.00 goes to God. Add an additional $2.50 to the $10.00 and get it all back multiplied by 7. You get $87.50 back. Except He doesn't stop there. You also get land you didn't sow, houses you didn't build, property you didn't pay for, oil under the property, cups that fill to capacity and then run over..
If you believe in your heart that you are not required to tithe, it is not held against you if you do not.
If you believe in your heart that you should be tithing to God and do not, it is considered by God as theft.
I am ignorant of the details of tithing and I appreciate the education. It helps me understand a little better what motivated my Dad.
Priests didn't farm. They relied on tithes and first fruits and fish and herbs that were brought to the Temple. The premise is that the more time the Priests had to fend for themselves the less time they had to spend in prayer on the behalf of the tither. Let's ask Christ what He thinks about it:
The latter He refers to is Love. The former He refers to is tithing.You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
He said:
You tithe your mint and rue, as well you should....an ignore the weightier issue of love.
That was to the Jewish Pharisees.
The Gentiles are not under Jewish Law.
But there is something unique about tithing.
It comes with a remarkable promise. And it works. It is the only time that I know of where our Father says, "Test me on this."
Here are the rules. 1/10th of income OFF OF THE TOP< not from what might be left over after you pay bills or buy groceries. 1/10th off the top, set it aside in an envelope, and give it to a church quickly before you are tempted to use some for gas money. And, It is not charity to be given to an organization.
That part is God's.
IF you increase that amount by 25% or more, God promises to return it all back to you X 7.
You made $100.00. $10.00 goes to God. Add an additional $2.50 to the $10.00 and get it all back multiplied by 7. You get $87.50 back. Except He doesn't stop there. You also get land you didn't sow, houses you didn't build, property you didn't pay for, oil under the property, cups that fill to capacity and then run over..
If you believe in your heart that you are not required to tithe, it is not held against you if you do not.
If you believe in your heart that you should be tithing to God and do not, it is considered by God as theft.
I am a closet atheist that has tithed every cent of my income since I was 11 years old. Only you guys know this about me. In real life I am a devout Southern Baptist that has tithed every cent of my income since I was 11 years old. I have never lacked of anything. There has never been a time in my life where I couldn't come up with $2,000 if an emergency arose. My income has sucked at times but I have never been desperate. There have been many times where I thought my church was being wasteful and ridiculous with the money I donated. I donated 10% of my income to individuals in my environment that needed a boost. I donated 10% of my income to other worthwhile charities. I have never done it but I wouldn't be closed to the idea of burning 10% of my income. It would serve the same purpose. 10% is a lot of money. It causes me to be very careful with what I do with the remaining 90%. I've already lost 10%. I can't be messing around. As an atheist it may sound odd but tithing is a Godsend. lol I'm glad it was a habit taught to me. It has caused me to prosper financially and I say that from a secular point of view. Tithing is a good habit to develop but I recommend giving 10% to friends or strangers that you hear that are having a hard time. It's more rewarding than giving to a church. Many charities and churches wouldn't exist without the practice of tithing. Tithing has been a major success from a historical perspective. I highly recommend it to anyone and everyone.
Biblical command to pay tithe. One by Jehovah Himself the other by Paul.Religion is a money making machine , milking its members like cows. Using its sentimental powers to empty the wallets and purses of its people. The Christian tithe is of interest , because although tithing is biblical , its biblical meaning and history is being hid by Christian ministers. Because they want that money. The tithe belonged to ancient Israel ,it was essentially their income tax. But the real biblical tithe was the product of land NOT money! The tithe in Malachi 3 is soley about land , never money! In fact , the New Testament church never tithed. Tithing , in the real bible, was an old covenant thing.
So two rip offs right off, is the tithe was continued on into this age by church leaders , not by the New Testament church, but new church leaders greed. And it was completely changed from land to money. There is absolutely no biblical evidence that the New Testament church ever tithed , or that it was ever money. In fact the tithe did not become widespread in Christianity until the eight century. For 700 years after Christ , it was rarely even mentioned. Charting the history of Christian tithing is a fascinating story of incredible bible twisting and ripping off people. And I want to go into the burden it has put on the poor.
Tithing was the Mosaic law-- Christians are not under that law.
Jesus taught a parable as well to that effect--He said--The Pharisees all gave their tithes, a little old woman had 2 small coins and gave them both out of her heart. Jesus said--what she gave had more value than all the tithes combined--- God and his son want from ones heart, not written law on paper-the new covenant= LOVE.
As well The bible teaches that one received the word of God for free and in return it should be given free as well.
Run from the teachers of darkness who demand a tithe. And get paid to give what God said to give free.
But the problem is, is that it is a commandment from God."If a believer wishes to tithe out of a personal conviction , that is fine . Tithing becomes a problem when it is represented as God's command , binding upon every believer." ( Pagan Christianity , pg.178,Frank Viola.) When you have been thrown into deeper poverty because you felt obligated to give beyond your means , that is NOT the command of God! That is a heavy burden of oppression. Your liberty has become oppression. Your religion has become infected.
I was put up for adoption. Never have been able to locate my biological parents.I was put up for adoption. Never have been able to locate my biological parents.I have a solution.............if you don't want to tithe, don't go to church and seek out God on your own.
Yes, it is possible.
Of course its possible ; in my view a person curious about God would be better off avoiding churches and study on their own. That way they would not be affected with human meddling. Bypass all the junk that is in others and don't let them pour that mess into you.
Actually, that's kinda how I came to my current belief in God. As a child, I was shifted around from family to family (was in foster care after I was orphaned at 8), and every family I was placed in would tell me that the beliefs of the family I just left were wrong and that I now had to believe as they did.
I quit church at 16 because of that.
Later, because I still knew there was something out there that was bigger than me, I started to look at other belief systems until I found one that suited me, which was Tao. In studying Tao, I saw where all belief systems were pretty much similar.........they all have some form of a deity that watches over us, we should take care of others, not lie, cheat, steal or murder, and that if we do good here, we will go somewhere better when we shuffle off our mortal coil. If not, we go somewhere else.
Now? I like to listen to rabbis, some preachers, study Judaism, Buddhism, Tao, and parts of Christianity. The place where I part ways with certain belief systems is when they get mired down in their own dogma. My belief? The only "sin" that there is, is what is outlined in the 10 Commandments or the 7 Noahide Commandments. Anything else is just a vice, which if followed long enough, can cause you to sin.
Besides...................I firmly think that God is too big to be contained in just 1 dogma, and I also think that He speaks to each of us in a unique way, because as humans, we are all just a little bit different, and have differing views of how we perceive the world.
And..................if we are all alike, we are drones and clones, and God doesn't want that, because if He didn't, we wouldn't have free will.
The selfish on this thread think that if you don't pay tithing God will take out a chapter 11Priests didn't farm. They relied on tithes and first fruits and fish and herbs that were brought to the Temple. The premise is that the more time the Priests had to fend for themselves the less time they had to spend in prayer on the behalf of the tither. Let's ask Christ what He thinks about it:
The latter He refers to is Love. The former He refers to is tithing.You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
He said:
You tithe your mint and rue, as well you should....an ignore the weightier issue of love.
That was to the Jewish Pharisees.
The Gentiles are not under Jewish Law.
But there is something unique about tithing.
It comes with a remarkable promise. And it works. It is the only time that I know of where our Father says, "Test me on this."
Here are the rules. 1/10th of income OFF OF THE TOP< not from what might be left over after you pay bills or buy groceries. 1/10th off the top, set it aside in an envelope, and give it to a church quickly before you are tempted to use some for gas money. And, It is not charity to be given to an organization.
That part is God's.
IF you increase that amount by 25% or more, God promises to return it all back to you X 7.
You made $100.00. $10.00 goes to God. Add an additional $2.50 to the $10.00 and get it all back multiplied by 7. You get $87.50 back. Except He doesn't stop there. You also get land you didn't sow, houses you didn't build, property you didn't pay for, oil under the property, cups that fill to capacity and then run over..
If you believe in your heart that you are not required to tithe, it is not held against you if you do not.
If you believe in your heart that you should be tithing to God and do not, it is considered by God as theft.
I am a closet atheist that has tithed every cent of my income since I was 11 years old. Only you guys know this about me. In real life I am a devout Southern Baptist that has tithed every cent of my income since I was 11 years old. I have never lacked of anything. There has never been a time in my life where I couldn't come up with $2,000 if an emergency arose. My income has sucked at times but I have never been desperate. There have been many times where I thought my church was being wasteful and ridiculous with the money I donated. I donated 10% of my income to individuals in my environment that needed a boost. I donated 10% of my income to other worthwhile charities. I have never done it but I wouldn't be closed to the idea of burning 10% of my income. It would serve the same purpose. 10% is a lot of money. It causes me to be very careful with what I do with the remaining 90%. I've already lost 10%. I can't be messing around. As an atheist it may sound odd but tithing is a Godsend. lol I'm glad it was a habit taught to me. It has caused me to prosper financially and I say that from a secular point of view. Tithing is a good habit to develop but I recommend giving 10% to friends or strangers that you hear that are having a hard time. It's more rewarding than giving to a church. Many charities and churches wouldn't exist without the practice of tithing. Tithing has been a major success from a historical perspective. I highly recommend it to anyone and everyone.
Religion is a money making machine , milking its members like cows. Using its sentimental powers to empty the wallets and purses of its people. The Christian tithe is of interest , because although tithing is biblical , its biblical meaning and history is being hid by Christian ministers. Because they want that money. The tithe belonged to ancient Israel ,it was essentially their income tax. But the real biblical tithe was the product of land NOT money! The tithe in Malachi 3 is soley about land , never money! In fact , the New Testament church never tithed. Tithing , in the real bible, was an old covenant thing.
So two rip offs right off, is the tithe was continued on into this age by church leaders , not by the New Testament church, but new church leaders greed. And it was completely changed from land to money. There is absolutely no biblical evidence that the New Testament church ever tithed , or that it was ever money. In fact the tithe did not become widespread in Christianity until the eight century. For 700 years after Christ , it was rarely even mentioned. Charting the history of Christian tithing is a fascinating story of incredible bible twisting and ripping off people. And I want to go into the burden it has put on the poor.
Any time mankind assembles for a religious reason there is a period dedicated to allowing the greedy to take advantage of ordinary folks. Right now the church owns more real property than any other entity on earth. Meanwhile nearly a billion on earth, mostly children, are suffering and dying from poor nutrition and starvation:
Why don't I ever hear people like you bitching about George Soros?
You just think religion is pure in all things , you think Christianity is right , right and right all the time. Such a mindset cannot look truth in the face , it must sugar coat its own beliefs . Your religion is transparent , I see through it.
No, what I think is what's true is true and what's not true is BS, and I see that the truth is not in you. You are what is known as a troll, sir, a shit stirrer, if you prefer. People like you come to sites like this probably because they think everybody is as clueless as they are and no one will catch them in their falsehoods and half truths. Then they pick fights and cry foul when they get caught.
No, sir, YOU are the problem, not "religion" not Christianity, but people who can't stand the idea that someone might be happy with their own lives.
Explain to me how I am a troll ; I post only on my own threads , no where else hardly. You come to my thread , which your welcome too ,then accuse me of being a troll. No matter ,I still welcome you , and I still oppose you. And expose you.
Vasuderatorrent, if you don't mind me asking, Why keep your atheism a secret?
If "God" wants my money... then he's gonna have to swallow his pride, and ask for it personally. I guess if he's down on his luck I'd try to help him out.
I have read them as well, and they do not assure universal salvation, because you have to ignore one central thing, that is that man has a CHOICE.It is very interesting to see his responses when a simple reading of the Bible makes it abundantly clear that many will not be saved. You have to ignore virtually the entire thing to make that case.Maybe you should find out what the Great Commission is before you display your ignorance more.That's God's way to make the gospel spread, men can use it for their ill will though.
What else do you think that the "good news" can convey?
God does not use money to spread the truth, he uses his Holy Spirit to communicate his message.
I have read these 100 bible verses;
100 Scriptural Proofs That Jesus Christ Will Save All Mankind
And these 600;
600+ Scriptures Confirming Universal Salvation
They all teach the salvation of all.
Perhaps you would be so good as to explain what Jesus meant?“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Any time mankind assembles for a religious reason there is a period dedicated to allowing the greedy to take advantage of ordinary folks. Right now the church owns more real property than any other entity on earth. Meanwhile nearly a billion on earth, mostly children, are suffering and dying from poor nutrition and starvation:
Why don't I ever hear people like you bitching about George Soros?
You just think religion is pure in all things , you think Christianity is right , right and right all the time. Such a mindset cannot look truth in the face , it must sugar coat its own beliefs . Your religion is transparent , I see through it.
No, what I think is what's true is true and what's not true is BS, and I see that the truth is not in you. You are what is known as a troll, sir, a shit stirrer, if you prefer. People like you come to sites like this probably because they think everybody is as clueless as they are and no one will catch them in their falsehoods and half truths. Then they pick fights and cry foul when they get caught.
No, sir, YOU are the problem, not "religion" not Christianity, but people who can't stand the idea that someone might be happy with their own lives.
Explain to me how I am a troll ; I post only on my own threads , no where else hardly. You come to my thread , which your welcome too ,then accuse me of being a troll. No matter ,I still welcome you , and I still oppose you. And expose you.
Be glad to. You say you post only on your own threads, when you post on your own forum by yourself then you will not be a troll. As it is, you post on a "religion and philosophy" forum as a want-to-be iconoclast, except you don't know enough to be an iconoclast, you are just trying to stir up trouble. Get some meat into your arguments instead of posting your own meaningless opinion.
You have to know what the rules are before you can break them, and you don't, you're just making noise.
Why don't I ever hear people like you bitching about George Soros?
You just think religion is pure in all things , you think Christianity is right , right and right all the time. Such a mindset cannot look truth in the face , it must sugar coat its own beliefs . Your religion is transparent , I see through it.
No, what I think is what's true is true and what's not true is BS, and I see that the truth is not in you. You are what is known as a troll, sir, a shit stirrer, if you prefer. People like you come to sites like this probably because they think everybody is as clueless as they are and no one will catch them in their falsehoods and half truths. Then they pick fights and cry foul when they get caught.
No, sir, YOU are the problem, not "religion" not Christianity, but people who can't stand the idea that someone might be happy with their own lives.
Explain to me how I am a troll ; I post only on my own threads , no where else hardly. You come to my thread , which your welcome too ,then accuse me of being a troll. No matter ,I still welcome you , and I still oppose you. And expose you.
Be glad to. You say you post only on your own threads, when you post on your own forum by yourself then you will not be a troll. As it is, you post on a "religion and philosophy" forum as a want-to-be iconoclast, except you don't know enough to be an iconoclast, you are just trying to stir up trouble. Get some meat into your arguments instead of posting your own meaningless opinion.
You have to know what the rules are before you can break them, and you don't, you're just making noise.
Everywhere I post people show interest in my noise , including you. I hold no need to attack your personage , but I will punish your precious Christianity ; without end.
You just think religion is pure in all things , you think Christianity is right , right and right all the time. Such a mindset cannot look truth in the face , it must sugar coat its own beliefs . Your religion is transparent , I see through it.
No, what I think is what's true is true and what's not true is BS, and I see that the truth is not in you. You are what is known as a troll, sir, a shit stirrer, if you prefer. People like you come to sites like this probably because they think everybody is as clueless as they are and no one will catch them in their falsehoods and half truths. Then they pick fights and cry foul when they get caught.
No, sir, YOU are the problem, not "religion" not Christianity, but people who can't stand the idea that someone might be happy with their own lives.
Explain to me how I am a troll ; I post only on my own threads , no where else hardly. You come to my thread , which your welcome too ,then accuse me of being a troll. No matter ,I still welcome you , and I still oppose you. And expose you.
Be glad to. You say you post only on your own threads, when you post on your own forum by yourself then you will not be a troll. As it is, you post on a "religion and philosophy" forum as a want-to-be iconoclast, except you don't know enough to be an iconoclast, you are just trying to stir up trouble. Get some meat into your arguments instead of posting your own meaningless opinion.
You have to know what the rules are before you can break them, and you don't, you're just making noise.
Everywhere I post people show interest in my noise , including you. I hold no need to attack your personage , but I will punish your precious Christianity ; without end.
So, like all trolls, you do this for the attention?
No, what I think is what's true is true and what's not true is BS, and I see that the truth is not in you. You are what is known as a troll, sir, a shit stirrer, if you prefer. People like you come to sites like this probably because they think everybody is as clueless as they are and no one will catch them in their falsehoods and half truths. Then they pick fights and cry foul when they get caught.
No, sir, YOU are the problem, not "religion" not Christianity, but people who can't stand the idea that someone might be happy with their own lives.
Explain to me how I am a troll ; I post only on my own threads , no where else hardly. You come to my thread , which your welcome too ,then accuse me of being a troll. No matter ,I still welcome you , and I still oppose you. And expose you.
Be glad to. You say you post only on your own threads, when you post on your own forum by yourself then you will not be a troll. As it is, you post on a "religion and philosophy" forum as a want-to-be iconoclast, except you don't know enough to be an iconoclast, you are just trying to stir up trouble. Get some meat into your arguments instead of posting your own meaningless opinion.
You have to know what the rules are before you can break them, and you don't, you're just making noise.
Everywhere I post people show interest in my noise , including you. I hold no need to attack your personage , but I will punish your precious Christianity ; without end.
So, like all trolls, you do this for the attention?
I gladly do it to bear witness to the truth as I understand it; I hold no interest in convincing anyone; the Holy Spirit holds that job. I have run into opposition from Christians before , I understand their feelings of rage , as I peel layers off of their religion.
