The Christian Tithe ripoff.

[Mickiel]

Religion is a money making machine , milking its members like cows. Using its sentimental powers to empty the wallets and purses of its people. The Christian tithe is of interest , because although tithing is biblical , its biblical meaning and history is being hid by Christian ministers. Because they want that money. The tithe belonged to ancient Israel ,it was essentially their income tax. But the real biblical tithe was the product of land NOT money! The tithe in Malachi 3 is soley about land , never money! In fact , the New Testament church never tithed. Tithing , in the real bible, was an old covenant thing.

So two rip offs right off, is the tithe was continued on into this age by church leaders , not by the New Testament church, but new church leaders greed. And it was completely changed from land to money. There is absolutely no biblical evidence that the New Testament church ever tithed , or that it was ever money. In fact the tithe did not become widespread in Christianity until the eight century. For 700 years after Christ , it was rarely even mentioned. Charting the history of Christian tithing is a fascinating story of incredible bible twisting and ripping off people. And I want to go into the burden it has put on the poor.

 

[ABikerSailor]

In the Jewish tradition, if you gave 1/40th, you were a mensch (great guy), if you gave 1/50th, you were considered average, and if you gave 1/60th, you were considered stingy.

10 percent of your total income is a Christian thing.

 

[Agit8r]

"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church. All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."
-- Thomas Paine; from 'Age of Reason'

Just as true now.

 

[Mickiel]

In the Jewish tradition, if you gave 1/40th, you were a mensch (great guy), if you gave 1/50th, you were considered average, and if you gave 1/60th, you were considered stingy.

10 percent of your total income is a Christian thing.

Well yes. In fact God commanded Israel to give 23 percent of their income yearly , not 10 percent; but it entirely consisted of LAND not money! Christianity turned that into money skillfully over the years. Just like their money greedy ministers skillfully preach and teach tithing money with no biblical support for it, but they twist the scriptures to make it seem so. They actually , skillfully , made it a biblical requirement; an obligation; a burden on the people. None of them can give you any New Testament support for tithing.

 

[MarathonMike]

My parents are a perfect example of the damage tithing does to low income people. My Dad was a Staff Sergeant and could ill afford giving away 10% of his income yet he did. He called it "Seed Money". They were constantly in debt and tithing was a major reason why.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Priests didn't farm. They relied on tithes and first fruits and fish and herbs that were brought to the Temple. The premise is that the more time the Priests had to fend for themselves the less time they had to spend in prayer on the behalf of the tither. Let's ask Christ what He thinks about it:

You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

The latter He refers to is Love. The former He refers to is tithing.

He said:
You tithe your mint and rue, as well you should....an ignore the weightier issue of love.
That was to the Jewish Pharisees.
The Gentiles are not under Jewish Law.

But there is something unique about tithing.
It comes with a remarkable promise. And it works. It is the only time that I know of where our Father says, "Test me on this."
Here are the rules. 1/10th of income OFF OF THE TOP< not from what might be left over after you pay bills or buy groceries. 1/10th off the top, set it aside in an envelope, and give it to a church quickly before you are tempted to use some for gas money. And, It is not charity to be given to an organization.
That part is God's.
IF you increase that amount by 25% or more, God promises to return it all back to you X 7.
You made $100.00. $10.00 goes to God. Add an additional $2.50 to the $10.00 and get it all back multiplied by 7. You get $87.50 back. Except He doesn't stop there. You also get land you didn't sow, houses you didn't build, property you didn't pay for, oil under the property, cups that fill to capacity and then run over..

If you believe in your heart that you are not required to tithe, it is not held against you if you do not.
If you believe in your heart that you should be tithing to God and do not, it is considered by God as theft.

 

[Mickiel]

My parents are a perfect example of the damage tithing does to low income people. My Dad was a Staff Sergeant and could ill afford giving away 10% of his income yet he did. He called it "Seed Money". They were constantly in debt and tithing was a major reason why.

Well yes , that " Seed Money" is the hook; the ministers try to make it mean " A biblical investment", when really its a worldly lottery dressed up like a blessing. You might hit or you might not. Its a titanic seduction that Christian ministers are getting rich off of. Milking its members like cows.

The church in its final state of apostasy will be swept by a carnal spirit of prosperity , rightly called " The Prosperity ministries!" This is revealed in Revelations 3:17," Because you say I am rich and increased with goods , and have need of nothing, ( again , that's the hook , the temptation), and you knowest not, ( meaning the members are completely blind to this condition), that you are wretched , miserable , poor , BLIND and naked!" And that is Jesus talking. HIS church is in pitiful shape , all wrapped up in the spirit of greed and gain. Ministers leading them like pied pipers.

 

[MarathonMike]

I am ignorant of the details of tithing and I appreciate the education. It helps me understand a little better what motivated my Dad.

 

[Mickiel]

Check out this website :

The Tithing Hoax

 

[the_human_being]

Isn't it absolutely fantastic that we live in a nation where no one can be forced to give anything at all to any church at all therefore this OP is totally without any merit whatsoever.

 

[Mickiel]

Isn't it absolutely fantastic that we live in a nation where no one can be forced to give anything at all to any church at all therefore this OP is totally without any merit whatsoever.

Without any merit to you, because this thread is not for you.

There are too many pastors to count that teach the curse of the tithe and handicap its members , this one included;

Consequences When Christians DO NOT Pay Their Tithes? God Will Block Their Blessings!!

This guy even charges 5% if his members are late paying their tithes. The force here is "Perceived biblical manipulation", where the people are made to think its God's will for them to pay. And that he will curse them if they don't.

 

[the_human_being]

Isn't it absolutely fantastic that we live in a nation where no one can be forced to give anything at all to any church at all therefore this OP is totally without any merit whatsoever.

Without any merit to you, because this thread is not for you.

There are too many pastors to count that teach the curse of the tithe and handicap its members , this one included;

Consequences When Christians DO NOT Pay Their Tithes? God Will Block Their Blessings!!

This guy even charges 5% if his members are late paying their tithes. The force here is "Perceived biblical manipulation", where the people are made to think its God's will for them to pay. And that he will curse them if they don't.

The world is full of fools. They will always be around. The casinos are full of them on any given day of the week. Why not preach against playing the slot machines?

 

[MarathonMike]

I disagree, it's more than just being a fool and parting with your money IMO. Faith is such an integral part of many peoples lives, the idea that a Faith leader would use that to coerce payment out of them lest their eternal souls be damned or whatever.....that is particularly despicable. Yes I definitely have a personal bias here, but I think I would still see it the same way.

 

[the_human_being]

I disagree, it's more than just being a fool and parting with your money IMO. Faith is such an integral part of many peoples lives, the idea that a Faith leader would use that to coerce payment out of them lest their eternal souls be damned or whatever.....that is particularly despicable. Yes I definitely have a personal bias here, but I think I would still see it the same way.

It's done over and over a thousand times each day. Fools and their money are parted. Talked to an insurance salesman or a car salesman lately. Had your car worked on at a garage? You have to watch out for yourself today or the wolves will shear you.

 

[guno]

Religion is a money making machine , milking its members like cows. Using its sentimental powers to empty the wallets and purses of its people. The Christian tithe is of interest , because although tithing is biblical , its biblical meaning and history is being hid by Christian ministers. Because they want that money. The tithe belonged to ancient Israel ,it was essentially their income tax. But the real biblical tithe was the product of land NOT money! The tithe in Malachi 3 is soley about land , never money! In fact , the New Testament church never tithed. Tithing , in the real bible, was an old covenant thing.

So two rip offs right off, is the tithe was continued on into this age by church leaders , not by the New Testament church, but new church leaders greed. And it was completely changed from land to money. There is absolutely no biblical evidence that the New Testament church ever tithed , or that it was ever money. In fact the tithe did not become widespread in Christianity until the eight century. For 700 years after Christ , it was rarely even mentioned. Charting the history of Christian tithing is a fascinating story of incredible bible twisting and ripping off people. And I want to go into the burden it has put on the poor.

fleecing of their low iq flock

Official Handbook of How to Fleece the Flock for Fun and Profit

Official Handbook of How to Fleece the Flock for Fun and Profit

 

[Mickiel]

Religion is a money making machine , milking its members like cows. Using its sentimental powers to empty the wallets and purses of its people. The Christian tithe is of interest , because although tithing is biblical , its biblical meaning and history is being hid by Christian ministers. Because they want that money. The tithe belonged to ancient Israel ,it was essentially their income tax. But the real biblical tithe was the product of land NOT money! The tithe in Malachi 3 is soley about land , never money! In fact , the New Testament church never tithed. Tithing , in the real bible, was an old covenant thing.

So two rip offs right off, is the tithe was continued on into this age by church leaders , not by the New Testament church, but new church leaders greed. And it was completely changed from land to money. There is absolutely no biblical evidence that the New Testament church ever tithed , or that it was ever money. In fact the tithe did not become widespread in Christianity until the eight century. For 700 years after Christ , it was rarely even mentioned. Charting the history of Christian tithing is a fascinating story of incredible bible twisting and ripping off people. And I want to go into the burden it has put on the poor.

fleecing of their low iq flock

Official Handbook of How to Fleece the Flock for Fun and Profit

Official Handbook of How to Fleece the Flock for Fun and Profit

Oh I enjoyed reading that ; so much truth in that humor.

 

[Mickiel]

I disagree, it's more than just being a fool and parting with your money IMO. Faith is such an integral part of many peoples lives, the idea that a Faith leader would use that to coerce payment out of them lest their eternal souls be damned or whatever.....that is particularly despicable. Yes I definitely have a personal bias here, but I think I would still see it the same way.

It's done over and over a thousand times each day. Fools and their money are parted. Talked to an insurance salesman or a car salesman lately. Had your car worked on at a garage? You have to watch out for yourself today or the wolves will shear you.

The worst wolves are those who look like sheep.

 

[Mickiel]

"If a believer wishes to tithe out of a personal conviction , that is fine . Tithing becomes a problem when it is represented as God's command , binding upon every believer." ( Pagan Christianity , pg.178,Frank Viola.) When you have been thrown into deeper poverty because you felt obligated to give beyond your means , that is NOT the command of God! That is a heavy burden of oppression. Your liberty has become oppression. Your religion has become infected.

 

[the_human_being]

"If a believer wishes to tithe out of a personal conviction , that is fine . Tithing becomes a problem when it is represented as God's command , binding upon every believer." ( Pagan Christianity , pg.178,Frank Viola.) When you have been thrown into deeper poverty because you felt obligated to give beyond your means , that is NOT the command of God! That is a heavy burden of oppression. Your liberty has become oppression. Your religion has become infected.

Sounds to me like you are not adult enough yet to take care of yourself.

 

[Mickiel]

"If a believer wishes to tithe out of a personal conviction , that is fine . Tithing becomes a problem when it is represented as God's command , binding upon every believer." ( Pagan Christianity , pg.178,Frank Viola.) When you have been thrown into deeper poverty because you felt obligated to give beyond your means , that is NOT the command of God! That is a heavy burden of oppression. Your liberty has become oppression. Your religion has become infected.

Sounds to me like you are not adult enough yet to take care of yourself.

I have no need to insult your personage, my post's hold a strength enough to stand on their own ; I have no interest in insulting your personage , but I understand your need to insult mine ; its the Christian way.