The original thread appears to have stopped. Feel it is important for folks to see this entry on the topic. Natural or Choice? Like many of the folks on this string, I would imagine they have known more than one gay person well enough to at least call him an acquaintance. I had two real friends who were gay and have been around gays whenever I lived in a large city. I only asked two things: leave me out of it and don't suck tongues in public (I meant that as a joke and they took it that way). I am not sure a strong weight can be assigned to choice here. I will provide only one example that begs the question. If any of you saw Idol this week and the rendition of "Tracks of My Tears", by Adam Lambert, you may see what I mean. It was one of the most memorable renditions of that song I have ever heard. I was a musician in a former life and know good when I hear it. His performance brought tears to my eyes and seemed to have the same effect on Smoky. The probability of his being able to hit those fals the way he did were he not different from most men is nearly zero. Observing him, he may make use of it, but does not choose to have a feminine manner about him. And you can see in the wordliness he shows that this is not a new factor in his life. So, I may be putting too fine a point on this, but every gay man I have met with the exception of one, could only hope to hide who he is. In that he made a choice. My views on gay rights from an earlier post, however, stand.