The chilling effect of violence on politics

[Truthmatters]

Calif. man arrested over threats to congressman - U.S. news - Crime & courts - msnbc.com

 

[Truthmatters]

These are just the type of people i feared would be influenced by the super heated political atmosphere

'These people'? Who, the mentally impaired Jared Loughner? Provide proof of your inane accusations or stfu.

I thought you said you would 'never fear' people? Liar.

In that sentance I did not say I feared a human , I said I feared a human would be influenced by the violent speech.


If indeed he is a paranoid Schizophrenic


The facts are that these people are very suceptable to conspiracy theorys.



human beings especially young people who live in a society that is fraught with political heat like Arizona cant help but be effected.


This young man was not blind, deaf and dumb he has a brain chemistry imbalance.


His friends all said he was a sweet guy before he started to "change".


The proof very well may come when this young man is medicaded and tells us himself what his motivations were.

When he tells us himself what was in his head will you believe him?


One of the victims may also be able to speak about her views on the crime someday.

She was the target of his rage, will you believe her feelings?


She infact spoke out about just such a danger from these types of violent imagery before someone put a bullet in her brain.

 

[Zoom-boing]

These are just the type of people i feared would be influenced by the super heated political atmosphere

'These people'? Who, the mentally impaired Jared Loughner? Provide proof of your inane accusations or stfu.

I thought you said you would 'never fear' people? Liar.

In that sentance I did not say I feared a human , I said I feared a human would be influenced by the violent speech.


If indeed he is a paranoid Schizophrenic


The facts are that these people are very suceptable to conspiracy theorys.



human beings especially young people who live in a society that is fraught with political heat like Arizona cant help but be effected.


This young man was not blind, deaf and dumb he has a brain chemistry imbalance.


His friends all said he was a sweet guy before he started to "change".


The proof very well may come when this young man is medicaded and tells us himself what his motivations were.

When he tells us himself what was in his head will you believe him?


One of the victims may also be able to speak about her views on the crime someday.

She was the target of his rage, will you believe her feelings?


She infact spoke out about just such a danger from these types of violent imagery before someone put a bullet in her brain.

Why do you continue post after post in various threads implying that violent political imagery influenced Loughner's rampage, despite having zero proof of such?

The point that you seem to be missing is that he hasn't said anything yet, and he certainly hasn't suggested what you have somehow concluded. Again I ask . . . . why do you go around implying there is some violent political imagery connection? If you have proof, provide it.

 

[Truthmatters]

Its what I believe


I am allowed to believe a young ill man was influence by the world that surrounded him.

In fact its a pretty logical assumption.

You have NO proof it did not influence him.

How could this young man live in Arizona all his life and not hear the words that surround him?

 

[Zoom-boing]

Its what I believe


I am allowed to believe a young ill man was influence by the world that surrounded him.

In fact its a pretty logical assumption.

You have NO proof it did not influence him.

How could this young man live in Arizona all his life and not hear the words that surround him?

It's what you believe . . . . .with zero evidence that proves this. Yet you go on and on as if it were fact. That's the lie, that's the problem. Loughner's friends have even said that he did not watch tv or listen to talk radio. There isn't anything political in his background that indicates what you put out as fact. This is the partisan bullshit spin that you continually spew. There is ample evidence that this guy is a nutter. Go look cause that's what you will find.

And before you go on about me telling you what you are or are not allowed to say . . . I'm not doing that. I'm just telling you that you are putting out your opinion as if it were fact. You might want to reconsider doing this.

 

[Truthmatters]

People surrounded him, he walked and lived amoung the people of Arizona.

Arizona has been very much in the news for its political enviroment.

People talk to each other.

 

[Truthmatters]

paranoid schizophrenia - Bing Health


Paranoid schizophrenia — Comprehensive overview covers symptoms, causes, treatment of this type of schizophrenia.
Definition
Paranoid schizophrenia is one of several types of schizophrenia, a chronic mental illness in which reality is interpreted abnormally (psychosis). The classic features of paranoid schizophrenia are having beliefs that have no basis in reality (delusions) and hearing things that aren't real (auditory hallucinations).

With paranoid schizophrenia, your ability to think and function in daily life may be better than with other types of schizophrenia. You may not have as many problems with memory, concentration or dulled emotions. Still, paranoid schizophrenia is a serious, lifelong condition that can lead to many complications, including suicidal behavior. But with effective treatment, you can manage the symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia and work toward leading a happier, healthier life.

Symptoms
Signs and symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia may include:

Auditory hallucinations, such as hearing voices
Delusions, such as believing a co-worker wants to poison you
Anxiety
Anger
Aloofness
Violence
Verbal confrontations
Patronizing manner
Suicidal thoughts and behavior

 

[Zoom-boing]

People surrounded him, he walked and lived amoung the people of Arizona.

Arizona has been very much in the news for its political enviroment.

People talk to each other.

And again, you ignore my question.

Why do you continue to put forth your opinion as fact?

 

[Truthmatters]

This young insane man was influenced by the eworld he lived in.

The world he lived in had a very heated poltical bent for years before he blew his top.

Pretending this young insane man was uneffected by the world that surrounded him is pretty silly.

Do you think its bad to want our dialogue to become more civil?

 

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This young insane man was influenced by the eworld he lived in.

The world he lived in had a very heated poltical bent for years before he blew his top.

Pretending this young insane man was uneffected by the world that surrounded him is pretty silly.

Do you think its bad to want our dialogue to become more civil?

He was influenced by the nuttiness in his head. There is zero proof that he was political in any way. If there were proof it would be all over the place. It isn't. There is more than ample evidence that this guy was mental.

Friends, co-workers and mental health specialists suggest a personality gone awry, a social outcast whose instability seems to have fallen through the cracks despite the fears of bewildered peers, bosses and educators.

Friends, co-workers: Shooting suspect had curious, dark change - USATODAY.com

Why do you continue to paint the picture as if violent political imagery is the reason behind his rampage? Because politics has been heated the past several years? Where is your proof that this is his reason for the rampage? Your opinion is not proof, it is not fact; it is nothing more than your opinion. Yet, you continue to post it as if it were fact. Why? Because your talking heads are telling you this? Seriously, why?

 

[editec]

Considering the relative power and wealth that this nation welds, it is relatively civil.

I regret that this representative was shot by this person who is most likely psychotic (in one form or the other). I think there is a larger point to be made that the tone and tenor of American Political Discourse is absolute shit these days (and has been that way for several years - long before Palin took the stage).

However, Lougher's actions are not some sort of warning alarm about the state of this nation.

I think I have heard paraniod Schizophrenia as a possible condition for him.


These people are VERY prone to conspiracy theories.

I agree it did not originate with Palin.

There has been some very ruff things said fro many years including that pres clinton should be assinated by a sitting poltician.


I understand that you feel it was not a warning alarm, many other Americans like me feel it was.

Paranoid personality disorders are prone to conspiracy theories. Paranoid schizophrenics make up their own conspiracy theories and they tend to be the star of them. ("I work for the CIA/NSA and they send special messages to the microchip implanted in my forehead through the radio tower downtown. They have imparted me with the ability to control the stop lights in the town to protect the children. The night I was arrested by the Police for walking down main street naked, I was on mission for the CIA to protect the elderly at cross walks. Just call Langley and ask for Jill at the front desk. She'll corroborate everything.")

I hold off on a diagnosis for this kid. That's a job for the professionals.

And they end up doing exactly the same thing we do to arrive at their DX.

They listen to what he says, read what he has written and look at how he acts and then arrive at their diagnosis.

You want to know the best possible indicator that somebody is schizophrenic?

If when you give them certain psychotropic drugs (phenothizines were what we used back in the day), they act and talk less crazy.

Psychiatry isn't exactly rocket science.

 

[Truthmatters]

He did not attack a basebasll game , he did not attack a pizza palour.

He went to a poltical event and tried to kill a democratic rep.

His target was political.

please respect the facts we do have.

This young man did not live in a vacume

 

[RetiredGySgt]

does it HAVE to be violent?

I think it can be civil, it has been civil in some periods in our past

Considering the relative power and wealth that this nation welds, it is relatively civil.

I regret that this representative was shot by this person who is most likely psychotic (in one form or the other). I think there is a larger point to be made that the tone and tenor of American Political Discourse is absolute shit these days (and has been that way for several years - long before Palin took the stage).

However, Lougher's actions are not some sort of warning alarm about the state of this nation.

I think I have heard paraniod Schizophrenia as a possible condition for him.


These people are VERY prone to conspiracy theories.

I agree it did not originate with Palin.

There has been some very ruff things said fro many years including that pres clinton should be assinated by a sitting poltician.


I understand that you feel it was not a warning alarm, many other Americans like me feel it was.

57 percent do NOT agree that rhetoric had anything to do with it. This guy hated her since 2007 when she did not answer a question he asked the way he wanted. Long before Palin and ling before any supposed Vitriol by the right.

Remind us again TM, how you opposed the placards and signs demanding Bush be assassinated? How you opposed the movie and book about him being assassinated and how it would be good for the Country? This went on 8 YEARS. I don't recall any posts by you attacking those people. I don't recall any demands we curtail freedom of speech and political messages by you or ANYONE on the left during those 8 YEARS.

 

[Capitalist]

paranoid schizophrenia - Bing Health


Paranoid schizophrenia — Comprehensive overview covers symptoms, causes, treatment of this type of schizophrenia.
Definition
Paranoid schizophrenia is one of several types of schizophrenia, a chronic mental illness in which reality is interpreted abnormally (psychosis). The classic features of paranoid schizophrenia are having beliefs that have no basis in reality (delusions) and hearing things that aren't real (auditory hallucinations).

With paranoid schizophrenia, your ability to think and function in daily life may be better than with other types of schizophrenia. You may not have as many problems with memory, concentration or dulled emotions. Still, paranoid schizophrenia is a serious, lifelong condition that can lead to many complications, including suicidal behavior. But with effective treatment, you can manage the symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia and work toward leading a happier, healthier life.

Symptoms
Signs and symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia may include:

Auditory hallucinations, such as hearing voices
Delusions, such as believing a co-worker wants to poison you
Anxiety
Anger
Aloofness
Violence
Verbal confrontations
Patronizing manner
Suicidal thoughts and behavior

You forgot:
Dancing when Cheney dies.
BTW
Did you call Trent Humphries?

(TPM)- Trent Humphries, the leader of the largest tea party group in this mourning southern Arizona city, has nothing but praise for the way President Obama has led the nation through the aftermath of Saturday’s mass shooting at a constituent event for Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ). But Humphries won’t be there tonight when Obama speaks at a memorial rally intended to unify Tucson after six people were killed in the tragedy.
Humphries says he’s been getting threats at his home from people who seem to hold him and his organization partially responsible for the shootings Saturday.
Humphries told TPM he’s called the Sheriff’s department more than once in the past few days to make them aware of threatening phone calls.
“We got a not-so-veiled threat,” Humprhies told me. “The Sheriff’s deputies told me to stay away from public places.”
The Pima County Sheriff’s Department did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Humphries said the threats have coincided with Saturday’s shooting and began nearly right away.
“We had people say, ‘too bad it wasn’t your family that was killed,’” Humphries told me. Other angry calls have come in as well. “‘The blood of that little girl on your hands,’” Humphries recalled one message saying.
But it was a new call that came in this week that Humphries said had him staying out of public view for a while.
“It was something like ‘we hate you and we’re going to stand against you and we’re going to use our First and Second Amendment rights to stop you,’” Humphries told me.
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[Quantum Windbag]

does it HAVE to be violent?


I think it can be civil, it has been civil in some periods in our past

It has always been civil, but it has also always been violent. A duel was fought over politics, and it resulted in the death of one of the Founding Fathers. Politics is about working together despite the incivility, not eliminating it. By trying to change the tone of politics you are actually trying to scrap the entire system.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Its what I believe


I am allowed to believe a young ill man was influence by the world that surrounded him.

In fact its a pretty logical assumption.

You have NO proof it did not influence him.

How could this young man live in Arizona all his life and not hear the words that surround him?

I do have proof that it did not influence him, the fact that there is absolutely no evidence that it did counts as proof. The fact that, despite years of studies with the intent to prove that violence in songs, on TV, and in movies make people more violent there exists absolutely no credible evidence that there is any corelation between depictions of violence and violent acts is all the proof I need. Believe it or not, it is possible to prove a negative.

As an FYI, I once knew a schizophrenic who was so wrapped up in her delusions that she heard very little of what happened in the real world, even if it happened in the same room she was in.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

He did not attack a basebasll game , he did not attack a pizza palour.

He went to a poltical event and tried to kill a democratic rep.

His target was political.

please respect the facts we do have.

This young man did not live in a vacume

Just because he shot a political figure it does not mean the attack had anything to do with politics.

 

[Zoom-boing]

He did not attack a basebasll game , he did not attack a pizza palour.

He went to a poltical event and tried to kill a democratic rep.

His target was political.

please respect the facts we do have.

This young man did not live in a vacume

Where is your proof that violent political imagery was the reason he went on his rampage or that it even played a part in it? You don't have any.

This morning on “Good Morning America,” ABC’s Ashleigh Banfield sat down with Zach Osler, a high school friend of Jared Loughner, the suspect in the Tucson massacre.

Osler says his friend wasn’t shooting at people, “he was shooting at the world.” Regarding the high-pitched talk radio and cable news political rhetoric, Osler says his friend didn’t even watch the news.

He did not watch TV. He disliked the news. He didn’t listen to political radio. He didn’t take sides. He wasn’t on the left. He wasn’t on the right.

Jared Loughner’s friend says suspect ‘Did not watch TV … disliked the news’ - TVNewser

He was angry that Giffords ignored (or didn't answer to his liking) a question he posed to her several years ago. That doesn't make it political, that makes him stalker-like and a nutbar.

Why do you ignore the proof that is in front of you?

 

[geauxtohell]

Its what I believe


I am allowed to believe a young ill man was influence by the world that surrounded him.

In fact its a pretty logical assumption.

You have NO proof it did not influence him.

How could this young man live in Arizona all his life and not hear the words that surround him?

I posted this in another thread, but I'll go ahead and stick it on here for consideration.

The problem is, TM, if he is truly psychotic, as you are suggesting with Paranoid Schizophrenia, the range and scope of things that influence him are so vast and tangential that it is pointless to start trying to restrict them.

There is a term called an idea/delusion of reference that is pretty common in schizophrenics.

It's the belief that everyday objects have special meaning to you or are directly communicating with you.

The classic example is the schizophrenic who believes the newscaster on the television is talking to him/her and is giving him/her commands.

I know of schizophrenics who believe the blinking light towers are sending them codes.

We don't entertain the notion of banning light towers.

Since Psychosis is a break with reality/logic, it's illogical to consider catering to things that might upset or influence a psychotic patient because most of the time, it's mundane things.

 

[strollingbones]

Let them resign. If they want to let an attack by an insane individual deter them from serving, then I highly doubt they were there for the right reason to begin with.

it is one thing to endanger yourself...but to risk the lives of your family

i dont think you have any right to judge them for this..doubting why they were there etc....

if i could do something to remove my child from danger i would do it without any regard to the public etc