The Chief Complaint: Dr. Otis Brawley

[saveliberty]

This is an important thread for the agenda as set out by Romney is to repeal "Obamacare". The only reason to repeal it is to allow the pharmacological Industry/Medical Insurance complex to continue to bleed the American people.

The one thing wrong with "Obamacare" is the Democrats wanted to design a horse and the lobbyists for the PI/MI complex made sure the Republicans protected their golden goose - so we ended up with a camel.

No, the reasons for repeal are:

1. It violated the Constitution.
2. It would never save money.
3. It would not make access to all Americans possible.
4. It would not improve healthcare.

 

[geauxtohell]

So you don't wish to discuss the article? Not a problem. Thanks for playin.

I do wish to discuss. You think its so great so why not start by pointing out one intelligent thing in it??

Why be so afraid? What does your fear tell you?? HOw will you learn if as a liberal you are afriad to try?

I thought the comment about outcomes was fairly sharp.

Care to discuss?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

So you don't wish to discuss the article? Not a problem. Thanks for playin.

I do wish to discuss. You think its so great so why not start by pointing out one intelligent thing in it??

Why be so afraid? What does your fear tell you?? HOw will you learn if as a liberal you are afriad to try?

I thought the comment about outcomes was fairly sharp.

Care to discuss?

sure, what did you find so sharp, and actionable, about it?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The only reason to repeal it is to allow the pharmacological Industry/Medical Insurance complex to continue to bleed the American people.

1) it will be repealed because it is anti American

2) it cant work because it is liberal socialist, not Republican capitalist

3) China just switched to capitalism and now everyone can afford everything.

A liberal lacks the IQ to understand these basics.

Liberalism is the default position when one is slow.

Like children believing in Santa Claus liberals believe in magical government.

 

[Greenbeard]

Just make fast food places have disclaimers on their advertizing. Eating this food may lead to obesity and death.

Giving consumers better access to information on food options at the point of service is the rationale behind the new requirements for nutrition labeling of menu items.

 

[geauxtohell]

I do wish to discuss. You think its so great so why not start by pointing out one intelligent thing in it??

Why be so afraid? What does your fear tell you?? HOw will you learn if as a liberal you are afriad to try?

I thought the comment about outcomes was fairly sharp.

Care to discuss?

sure, what did you find so sharp, and actionable, about it?

That we don't do as good of a job as we think we do.

 

[Wry Catcher]

This is an important thread for the agenda as set out by Romney is to repeal "Obamacare". The only reason to repeal it is to allow the pharmacological Industry/Medical Insurance complex to continue to bleed the American people.

The one thing wrong with "Obamacare" is the Democrats wanted to design a horse and the lobbyists for the PI/MI complex made sure the Republicans protected their golden goose - so we ended up with a camel.

No, the reasons for repeal are:

1. It violated the Constitution.
2. It would never save money.
3. It would not make access to all Americans possible.
4. It would not improve healthcare.

That's your opinion. As for number one, the USSC will decide that in June. Two and four are your opinions and I disagree (and you have not accounted for human misery - economic, physical and mental - though that does not surprise me).

Maybe not all Americans, but it provides health care to many more than does the former system.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The only reason to repeal it is to allow the pharmacological Industry/Medical Insurance complex to continue to bleed the American people.

1) it will be repealed because it is anti American

2) it cant work because it is liberal socialist, not Republican capitalist

3) China just switched to capitalism and now everyone can afford everything.

A liberal lacks the IQ to understand these basics.

Liberalism is the default position when one is slow.

Like children believing in Santa Claus liberals believe in magical government.

I have this image of you sitting in your chair and someone pulling a string which puts your fingers in motion and words appear on the screen in front of you. Then a small button on your left temple is pushed and your fingers move the cursor to "Submit Reply", at which point your right earlobe is pulled and you post the message.

 

[Political Junky]

Just make fast food places have disclaimers on their advertizing. Eating this food may lead to obesity and death.

Our eating habits are terrible. That is why we rank so low, NOT the amount of money spent or access to healthcare. Frame the argument responsibly please.

Yes, Americans do have poor diet, which could be one factor, yet when the first lady makes suggestions about proper diet, the right wing goes nuts.

 

[saveliberty]

Just make fast food places have disclaimers on their advertizing. Eating this food may lead to obesity and death.

Our eating habits are terrible. That is why we rank so low, NOT the amount of money spent or access to healthcare. Frame the argument responsibly please.

Yes, Americans do have poor diet, which could be one factor, yet when the first lady makes suggestions about proper diet, the right wing goes nuts.

Maybe because she doesn't appear to practice what she preaches.

 

[BDBoop]

Just make fast food places have disclaimers on their advertizing. Eating this food may lead to obesity and death.

Our eating habits are terrible. That is why we rank so low, NOT the amount of money spent or access to healthcare. Frame the argument responsibly please.

Yes, Americans do have poor diet, which could be one factor, yet when the first lady makes suggestions about proper diet, the right wing goes nuts.

Maybe because she doesn't appear to practice what she preaches.

You mean - because she's human? She doesn't eat properly 100% of the time?

 

[Political Junky]

Just make fast food places have disclaimers on their advertizing. Eating this food may lead to obesity and death.

Our eating habits are terrible. That is why we rank so low, NOT the amount of money spent or access to healthcare. Frame the argument responsibly please.

Yes, Americans do have poor diet, which could be one factor, yet when the first lady makes suggestions about proper diet, the right wing goes nuts.

Maybe because she doesn't appear to practice what she preaches.

What do you base that on? She exercises for an hour and a half every morning, do you?

 

[Emma]

The Chief Complaint: Dr. Otis Brawley - Features - Atlanta Magazine

I'm going to buy his book.

Thank you.

 

[Emma]

I believe, when all the factors are in, that all American citizens should receive preventative care from prenatal to hospice and in doing so we would reduce costs and human suffering.

It is far cheaper to treat diabetes than to continue to pay for surgeries to lop of toes and feet.

It is cheaper to treat early stage cancer and many times curable.

It is cheaper to treat early stage heart disease.

It is cheaper to provide free immunization against communicable disease than to treat thousands during epidemics (Kaiser gives free Flu shots each year).

Chronic disease can be discovered and can be treated more cost-effectively if diagnosed early. Free physical examinations are cost-effective.

I have Kaiser, HMO, and one physical a year is free. Kaiser understands that prevention and early diagnosis is cost-effective. Why don't conservatives?

Why do we spend so much to defend our people from Islamo-Fascists, Commies and Martians and forget that many Americans die from undiagnosed disease? Disease which when treated early save lives, save money, save the business community by reducing legitimate sick days and is more humane?

The cost of diabetes alone is staggering. Something that can be well-managed or even prevented with adequate preventative/maintenance care.

From BD's link:

Last year healthcare costs were 17.5 percent of our gross domestic product. That’s one and a half times the amount in the next most expensive country. On a per capita basis, it’s approaching $8,000 per person. When organizations like the American Cancer Society or the American Heart Association go to hire a clerk who makes $25,000 per year, we have to think about the fact that healthcare coverage for them—if they have a family of four—is upwards of $16,000 per year. If healthcare costs keep growing at the present rate, they’ll be 25 percent of our GDP by 2025. Healthcare is choking our economy.

Edna has stage IV breast cancer. Disease has spread all over her body. Had she come to see me early in the course of her disease, it would have cost about $30,000 to cure her. She could have remained a taxpayer. Her kids could have had a mother. Now, the cure is not an option. Still, we’ll fight. We will give her breast-cancer chemotherapy that will cost more than $150,000, even though the chances are she will still die in less than two years.

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So tell me again why "conservatives" are against single-payer healthcare for all?

 

[auditor0007]

I'm going to buy his book.

does it advocate Republican capitalism or another stupid liberal scheme?

The Chinese had a stupid liberal scheme for every industry and everyone was starving to death. Then they switched to Republican capitalism and everyone is getting rich.

Why are liberals too slow to understand even such simple things??

Free market principles do not work very well in the healthcare industry. Look at it this way; when a company can manufacture more of a product, the cost goes down. When more people get sick, the cost goes up. Most countries throughout the world learned this a long time ago, and that is why they have more government involvement in healthcare, and it is the reason that they spend much less than we do on healthcare. Eventually, we are going to have to realize that the excessive cost our system is creating is hurting us in all other industries as it is making American businesses less competitive.

 

[Stephanie]

I believe, when all the factors are in, that all American citizens should receive preventative care from prenatal to hospice and in doing so we would reduce costs and human suffering.

It is far cheaper to treat diabetes than to continue to pay for surgeries to lop of toes and feet.

It is cheaper to treat early stage cancer and many times curable.

It is cheaper to treat early stage heart disease.

It is cheaper to provide free immunization against communicable disease than to treat thousands during epidemics (Kaiser gives free Flu shots each year).

Chronic disease can be discovered and can be treated more cost-effectively if diagnosed early. Free physical examinations are cost-effective.

I have Kaiser, HMO, and one physical a year is free. Kaiser understands that prevention and early diagnosis is cost-effective. Why don't conservatives?

Why do we spend so much to defend our people from Islamo-Fascists, Commies and Martians and forget that many Americans die from undiagnosed disease? Disease which when treated early save lives, save money, save the business community by reducing legitimate sick days and is more humane?

How is it FREE when you pay for it?

 

[Greenbeard]

How is it FREE when you pay for it?

"Free" in this context means there's no additional charge at the point of care and thus patients face no financial barrier to that particular service.

Obviously it's included in the premium.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Free market principles do not work very well in the healthcare industry.

OMG!!!!now that is perfectly stupid and exactly, perfectly liberal.


1) you mean if one provider will sell an aspirin or appendectomy for half the price people won't take the lower price??????

2) you mean if a competitor is selling aspirin or appendectomy for half the price the other competitors wont try match it???


See why we are 100% certain a liberal will be plain stupid and simply lack than IQ to understand capitalism. What other explanation than pure stupidity can explain liberalism??

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

So tell me again why "conservatives" are against single-payer healthcare for all?

when a government liberal monopoly pays they have no incentive to hold costs down and drive quality up, and, consumers have no incentive to shop for higher quality and lower price.

Single payer liberal socialism is what starved 100 million to death in USSR/Red China.

A liberal simply lacks the IQ to understand these basics....

 

[geauxtohell]

So tell me again why "conservatives" are against single-payer healthcare for all?

when a government liberal monopoly pays they have no incentive to hold costs down and drive quality up, and, consumers have no incentive to shop for higher quality and lower price.

Single payer liberal socialism is what starved 100 million to death in USSR/Red China.

A liberal simply lacks the IQ to understand these basics....

Are you going to discuss the article, or just impress us with your superior medical skills?

BTW, there is a guy offering back ally appendectomies for 1/2 price.

I still think I'd rather pay full price.