I lived in SD for several years. I sold my home in SpringValley in 2003.I'm not a Californian. I'm from Montana originally.I wonder why USC draws so many fans?
The colts owner as much a jerk as he was,he at least moved them to a city that was not dead last in wage earners though and a city so poor that most familys are lower class ones that have to work two jobs. have you seen the PSL's they are asking for? It does not take a genius to see this has disater written all over it.the majority of vegas residents will never be able to afford those tickets out there they are asking for.
these are the same economists that said the rams move to st louis was a very bad idea.They called that one right.No reason these experts are blowing smoke now all of a sudden.with the exception of the warner'faulk years when they were the greatest show on turf in a five year period and went to two superbowls during that time,that place was half empty all the time as well.
15 0ut of those 20 years they were there,that place was a ghost town,it was the same with the rams as it is with the chargers in LA,their games alwasy felt like ROAD games as well.would be pretty foolhardy to ignore what these experts are saying after they called THAT one correctly back then.thats like if your car is broken and not running,and a very credible mechanic with a great reputation tells you you need it fixed and you ignore him,you screwed up and your car broke down as a resort.same thing,no difference. so just a little bit difference there with the Colts back then and the raiders now.
PLUS i dont ever recall back then economic experts saying it would be disasterous for the colts in indy as they did with the rams in st louis and the raiders in vegas.Jim Irsey was an asshole,BUT he wasnt a stupid ass moron like davis and spanos are.HE knew what he was doing.
The Raiders even when they were great in LA,nobody showed up,the year after they won the superbowl out there,the next season for the home opener they only drew just over 44,ooo fans.the OAKLAND Raiders might have won a superbowl out there in LA but nobody cared.same will happen with the Raiders in vegas and be even worse. the reason I am confidant of this is I know a vegas resident out there and he told me the games the hockey team had,it felt like road games just as st louis fans felt like Ram games were ROAD games most the time there.
I dont know,YOUR a californian,if you want to find out,you can always do some research on it.LOL
Here is what I was talking about how the Rams in stank louis,they had the same kind of luck there the chargers are in LA. this is what THEIR crowds ALWAYS looked like other than the brief warner/faulk years. this was taken during middle of the 2nd quarter no less not when coming back from halftime or just starting.
I went to their home opener their last season there against the seahawks and it looked just like this,against a team that had been to the superbowl back to back no less.I went there also like ten years ago and the same thing.I am not shitting.
Vegas will be as huge a mistake for the raiders as it is for the chargers in LA I GUARANTEE.
once they start losing and are as pathetic as the rams were in st louis,they will ALSO have stadiums that look like this. they will not be dedicated and loyal like oakland fans are.Oakland has the most passionate dedicated fans in the world.
just four years ago after starting the season off 0-13,on a dark rainy cold night in hard pouring downpour of rain.that place was packed and sold out. to leave the most dedicated loyal fans in the country like that is a crime pure and simple. I know Gramps as a chiefs fan remembers that game how it was packed. The only time there were any empty seats was halftime when they left for refreshments.I SAW the game on tv so I was pretty much there,I know.
Where I come from there's not much to do but hunt and go to football games in the Fall.
I just lived in California long enough to know that Southern Californians have too many other things to do than go to a Chargers game. Half of the home games weren't sellouts. So I could only hear them on the radio. But the funny thing is, watching a Chargers game was fun. Going to a Titans game here in TN is a pain in the ass. You're ether sweating your balls off or freezing to death.
true they were not like Oakland which ALWAYS packs them in win or lose like the year when they started off 0-13 that I just mentioned or like they did last night.
I was under the impression you LIVED in san diego now since you have talked about the chargers a lot in the past?
Yeah I see what your saying.I get that.But thats my point. You're proving for me WHY they never should have left SD.
Thats the major difference between the chargers now playing in Carson and when they played in SD.
When they were in SD,they at LEAST sold out HALF the time when they were crappy like the year they went 1-15 with Ryan Leaf at quarterback . and when they were GREAT,like when they went 14-2 with marty shottenheimer they would sell out all games then.
When they were crappy like the year they went 1-15, They would STILL turn out and pack them in and cheer them on against exciting teams like the pittsburgh steelers when they were a dynasty in the 70's and against their division rivals the chiefs,broncos,seahawks "when they were still in the division." and the raiders.
speaking of the Raiders that is the other difference.I realise Raider games were always home games for the Raiders in SD the fact LA has a bunch of Raider fans there but that was the ONLY time in SD where the opposing fans always outnumbered the home team fans where its EVERY sunday in carson.
yeah you are right,when they were CRAPPY in SD,when they played against equally crappy teams like cleveland for example,yeah yoou are correct,games like that they did not draw well. but at LEAST they DID turn out and pack them in against their division rivals i mentioned or exciting teams such as the steelers in the 70's when they were a dynasty or like the Bills in the 90's when they went to four straight superbowls and had exciting players to watch,Major difference there my man.
I just couldn't find a decent job there.
So I went into the Army.
BTW, I was at the SD vs Raiders game when John Madden was coach.
The Chargers were beating the Faiders and Kenny Stabler fumbled the ball forward and eventually his TE tipped it into the endzone falling on it.
Everyone in the stadium knew that play was illegal but the refs.
The Faider fans were lucky to get out of the place alive.
