the case of Troy Davis shows exactly why the dealth pentalty should be banned

[Google]

Wrongful execution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There IS presidence. Not many, it's very very rare that they get it wrong. Or are at least proven to get it wrong.

I asked for one case that was proven an innocent man was executed, and that Wikipedia page doesn't have one.

I should also clarify modern history.

Still waiting.

are you joking? look at the cases where people were saved after DNA testing was done

Yes, and those cases validated the judicial system and exonerated those men during the appeals process. None of them were executed.

Now focus, I asked for one case where it was proven that an innocent man was executed in modern history.

 

[Google]

To the contemporary Conservative partisan hack, government can do NOTHING right , unless they execute someone, particularly someone who is not straight, white, Christian or registered Republican.

Those contemporary Conservative partisan hacks are pro-life, doncha know!

To those contemporary liberal partisan hack, government can do everything right, unless they attempt to execute someone, particularly someone who has raped, murdered, or in other words a registered Democrat.

Those contemporary liberal partisan hacks are pro-choice, doncha know!

 

[Mustang]

Ga inmate's execution nears; protests worldwide - Yahoo! News

complete bullshit, an innocent man will die tonight because of a corrupt govenrment

I don't know if Davis is innocent or actually guilty (as opposed to legally guilty) of killing a police officer. But it IS a FACT that numerous people in prison (including on death row) have later been found to be innocent of the crime. Some men have even been executed before their innocence was publicly known.

Having once been accused of something I did not do (it wasn't a crime) because someone chose to make up a story about me, I can personally relate to people who find themselves in the unbelievable position of being falsely accused of a crime. If a person has no verifiable alibi for where they were or what they were doing at a particular point in time, almost anyone could find themselves in serious trouble with the law if someone chooses to accuse them of a crime. It happens every day.

 

[waltky]

Inmate's Last Words: 'I'm Innocent'...

Troy Davis execution goes ahead despite serious doubts about his guilt
Thursday 22 September 2011 - Condemned man proclaimed innocence in last words to victim's family before lethal injection in Georgia prison

Moments before he was put to death, Troy Davis lifted his head from the gurney to which he was strapped and looked the family of Mark MacPhail, the police officer for whose murder he was convicted, directly in the eyes. "I want to talk to the MacPhail family," he said. "I was not responsible for what happened that night. I did not have a gun. I was not the one who took the life of your father, son, brother." He then appealed to his own family and friends to "keep the faith", said to the medical personnel who were about to kill him "may God have mercy on your souls", and laid his head down again. He was administered with a triple lethal injection of pentobarbital, pancuronium bromide and potassium chloride, and at 11.08pm he was pronounced dead.

The debate about what happened in Georgia's Diagnostic and Classification Prison in Jackson late on Wednesday night will continue long after the gurney has been put away. In the final gruesome hours of waiting, the American judicial system at its very highest echelons was involved – including the US supreme court, which issued the decisive final ruling. The decision to press ahead with the death sentence despite serious doubts over Davis's guilt drew accusations that this was the system at its most grotesque. It was Davis's fourth execution date, and it was dragged out, for more than four hours, to what must have been tortuous effect for the prisoner and his family.

Davis, 42, became the 52nd man to be executed in Georgia since the same supreme court reinstated the death penalty in 1973. His lawyers and thousands of supporters around the world were convinced that an innocent man had been sent to his death. As news of his death filtered out of the maximum security prison, his family was still huddled in an area of the prison grounds, surrounded by well-wishers. His sister, Martina Correia, had earlier vowed to continue the fight to end all capital punishment in America and said her brother's story would be a galvanising force for others. "His message to young people is – you can lie down or you can stand up and fight," she said.

After the execution, Davis's lawyers lamented what one described as a "legal lynching". Thomas Ruffin said that the execution was "racially bigoted". "In the state of Georgia 48.4% of people on death row this morning were black males, and in Georgia they make up no more than 15% of the population." Ruffin said that seven of the nine witnesses at Davis's 1991 trial had since recanted. They included a man who said under oath that he had seen MacPhail being killed, and that it was not Davis who shot him but another man called Sylvester Cole. Another witness said under oath that she had heard Coles confess three times to killing MacPhail and using Davis as the fall guy.

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[Conservative]

Wrongful execution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There IS presidence. Not many, it's very very rare that they get it wrong. Or are at least proven to get it wrong.

I asked for one case that was proven an innocent man was executed, and that Wikipedia page doesn't have one.

I should also clarify modern history.

Still waiting.

Nice dodge there. Almost got hit with the evidence you wanted.

Don't like being proven wrong though, do you?

How does one get proven wrong, with evidence that is not there?

 

[Liability]

Davis' guilt is pretty much a given and now beyond any point of idle speculation.

Too bad the world cannot FRY MUMIA!

 

[Photonic]

I asked for one case that was proven an innocent man was executed, and that Wikipedia page doesn't have one.

I should also clarify modern history.

Still waiting.

Nice dodge there. Almost got hit with the evidence you wanted.

Don't like being proven wrong though, do you?

How does one get proven wrong, with evidence that is not there?

Don't be so fucking blind.

 

[Liability]

Nice dodge there. Almost got hit with the evidence you wanted.

Don't like being proven wrong though, do you?

How does one get proven wrong, with evidence that is not there?

Don't be so fucking blind.

Blind?

That's actually a perfectly valid question.

If the evidence is not there, then it cannot be "shown."

If it cannot be shown, then it can't be used to prove anybody else "wrong."

Again, is it within the realm of possibility that an innocent man has gotten convicted and sentenced to death, and that the death penalty was carried out? yes. That IS within the realm of possibility. But that is not the same as saying (validly) that it "has" occurred.

 

[grunt11b]

A murderer was executed, and he needed to be. Yes 6 of 8 recanted their story, but two did not, and those two where air force personal in the drive through line that seen him pulling the trigger.
Also, casings found at the scene match the same ones found at a murder scene earlier in the day that he was also identified as being at. Court after court, jury after jury convicted him time and again based on the evidence and testimony. WHy would 6 eyewitnesses recant their stories? Because 20 years had passed and they felt a little guilty themselves?, and the bigger question would be that if they recanted their story now then they perjured originally, right? He was guilty and is exactly where he needs to be right now.

 

[grunt11b]

How does one get proven wrong, with evidence that is not there?

Don't be so fucking blind.

Blind?

That's actually a perfectly valid question.

If the evidence is not there, then it cannot be "shown."

If it cannot be shown, then it can't be used to prove anybody else "wrong."

Again, is it within the realm of possibility that an innocent man has gotten convicted and sentenced to death, and that the death penalty was carried out? yes. That IS within the realm of possibility. But that is not the same as saying (validly) that it "has" occurred.

There is no physical evidence because there was no struggle, there was however 8 eyewitnesses that seen it happen "2 of which where air force personal in the drive thru" and another that was 5 feet away when it happened but all of a sudden recanted their story? Come on now, the man was guilty.

 

[strollingbones]

does it?

Support Mark MacPhail - Debunking the Myths Surrounding The Murder of Officer Mark MacPhail

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Ga inmate's execution nears; protests worldwide - Yahoo! News

complete bullshit, an innocent man will die tonight because of a corrupt govenrment

Corrupt-government?

I'm thinkin' it's (more) a matter o' the "conservatives'" imaginary-God needing a.....

.....fresh-blood infusion.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Come on now, the man was guilty.

Hmmmmmmm.....wouldn't you have to have BEEN there.....to KNOW that????

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"Our brains connect the dots of our world into meaningful patterns that explain why things happen, and these patterns become beliefs. Once beliefs are formed the brain begins to look for and find confirmatory evidence in support of those beliefs, which accelerates the process of reinforcing them, and round and round the process goes in a positive-feedback loop of belief confirmation."

The CONFLICT Between
Belief & Knowledge​

 

[grunt11b]

Come on now, the man was guilty.

Hmmmmmmm.....wouldn't you have to have BEEN there.....to KNOW that????

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"Our brains connect the dots of our world into meaningful patterns that explain why things happen, and these patterns become beliefs. Once beliefs are formed the brain begins to look for and find confirmatory evidence in support of those beliefs, which accelerates the process of reinforcing them, and round and round the process goes in a positive-feedback loop of belief confirmation."

The CONFLICT Between
Belief & Knowledge​

Nope, but the 8 who testified against him where there, and that's good enough for me, and apparently the state of Georgia and the supreme court.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

The police aren't "more equal" than other people. Justice is being applied unequally in this as well.

As representatives of societal order, its pretty common for actions against law enforcement to be punished by a more severe penalty. Its the same justification as hate crime legislation, namely the crime carries with the added motive of attempting to intimidate a large group of people.

I'm fairly anti Death Penalty, but this was the wrong case to try and fight it. While the protests against this case were going on, a white guy in Texas was executed for a racially motivated murder. He admits to being a participant, but claims he himself did not commit the murder. And yet you didn't see the people up in arms over that case to the extent they were over this case. I hate to say it, but I do think there is a racial motivation in this case, but it isn't by the prosecution.

 

[flacaltenn]

To be fair -- shell casings do not tie the murder weapon to the man. The gun could have been given or transferred. BUT -

I'm convinced that the facts were reviewed carefully and the courts INCLUDING the Sup. Ct wouldn't have passed if there was reason for appeal.

Personally, I'm more concerned about the 8 or 10 innocent people a year shot dead in no-knock drug searches triggered only by a drug-adled snitch trying to impress the D.A.

 

[Ravi]

The police aren't "more equal" than other people. Justice is being applied unequally in this as well.

As representatives of societal order, its pretty common for actions against law enforcement to be punished by a more severe penalty. Its the same justification as hate crime legislation, namely the crime carries with the added motive of attempting to intimidate a large group of people.

I'm fairly anti Death Penalty, but this was the wrong case to try and fight it. While the protests against this case were going on, a white guy in Texas was executed for a racially motivated murder. He admits to being a participant, but claims he himself did not commit the murder. And yet you didn't see the people up in arms over that case to the extent they were over this case. I hate to say it, but I do think there is a racial motivation in this case, but it isn't by the prosecution.

From what I read of that case, he bragged about what he did and said he would do it all over again.

To me, it doesn't matter. I am against the state killing people for revenge.

 

[Ravi]

Here's an interesting article from 2007 before one of Davis other scheduled execution. Turns out that federal law prevented him from having fair appeals.

This should be disturbing to everyone and points again to the big brother mentality that allows the death penalty.

Will Georgia Kill an Innocent Man? - TIME

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Court after court, jury after jury convicted him time and again based on the evidence and testimony.

There's also this. In the USA under the current system it is actually fairly hard to execute an innocent man. There are several automatic appeal options that kick in as soon as the Death Penalty is handed out and more than a few well funded organizations that will take up a case at that point due to principle or potential for fame. And let's not forget that getting a judge (or jury depending on the state) to hand out the Death Penalty is no walk in the park either.

Like I said, I'm fairly anti-Death Penalty myself, but this was not the case to try to try to claim the criminal was an innocent victim. Davis wasn't railroaded here. A lot of different judges, juries, and other oversight boards and officials found him guilty. At this point I've yet to see anyone actually come up with actual evidence he was innocent.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Ga inmate's execution nears; protests worldwide - Yahoo! News

complete bullshit, an innocent man will die tonight because of a corrupt govenrment

The problem with the death penalty is that we don't use it near enough. However, when cases arise where there is questionable evidence then I think all avenues should be explored before proceeding with the execution. This case may have merited that, but it's worth noting that even the U.S. Supreme Court wouldn't stop it.