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konradv- I think you are mistaken in your belief that no one could come up with a model that explains the present climate conditions without CO2 being the major driving force. the current models were written to emphysize CO2's effects and they do. mind you I dont believe that models that could be written to emphysize other factors would be any more reliable than the one we have now, just different.
There are only two ways that the atmosphere and oceans on the surface of the earth can warm up. One is an increase in the Total Solar Iradiance, the other is an increase in the retention of that heat.
The Earth reflects much of the TSI it receives from the sun. And radiates some of the heat away. As early as 1820, Joseph Fourier calculated that between the albedo of the Earth and the radiation of the heat at the surface, the Earth should have the oceans frozen nearly to the equator. He correctly hypothesized that something in the atmosphere was absorbing the heat. In 1858, Tyndall of England did the first mapping of the absorption spectra of greenhouse gases, water vapor, CO2, CH4, ect.
In the last 50 years, there has been a slight decline in the TSI. Yet, we have been rapidly warming. That leaves only an increase in the absorption of the reflected and radiated heat by our atmosphere to explain the increase in temperature. So, how would that occur?
In the last 150 years, by the burning of fossil fuels, we have increased the CO2 content of our atmosphere by 40%. We also have increased the CH4 by 150%.
Pretty damned simple, except for the many simpletons on this board.
We are in the start of the cooling period in the Milankovic Cycles, we have a decreased TSI, but we are rapidly warming. Every decade is warmer than the last. The only factor that would increase warming is the increase in GHGs in the atmosphere.
The simplicity is there. But the politics of preventing the inevitable results of a rapid warming and climate change is too great to address the problem. Too much money would be lost to the very wealthy of this nation and others. So we will do the grand experiment. At what point does the consequences become so great that even the willfully blind can no long deny the problem? And, realizing that no matter what we do, there is 30 to 50 more years of warming in the pipeline because of the lag in the warming of the oceans, that is how long we have to see how far the changes in climate will go.
And yet there is still not a single repeatable laboratory experiment that reproduces those results at the amounts indicated.
Same thing they've done for generations. Blame the Jews, conquer somebody and in failing success in those things, collapse into a noodledom of revolution and self destruction.So what are the Europeans going to do about something that doesn't exist?......
Same thing they've done for generations. Blame the Jews, conquer somebody and in failing success in those things, collapse into a noodledom of revolution and self destruction.So what are the Europeans going to do about something that doesn't exist?......
What else should we expect from that schizophrenic continent.
And as for the OP:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg7QyVDfMiE]Moulin Rouge - Absynthe and Green Fairy - YouTube[/ame]
Yet more of the same. The green fairies have run amok with fantasy and illusion calling it fact.
You did that with the OP then. I'm sorry, but you can't seem to pedal anything but pure concentrated fucktardery.Same thing they've done for generations. Blame the Jews, conquer somebody and in failing success in those things, collapse into a noodledom of revolution and self destruction.So what are the Europeans going to do about something that doesn't exist?......
What else should we expect from that schizophrenic continent.
And as for the OP:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg7QyVDfMiE"]Moulin Rouge - Absynthe and Green Fairy - YouTube[/ame]
Yet more of the same. The green fairies have run amok with fantasy and illusion calling it fact.
My God!!! Killed another thread with irrelevant, off-the-point drivel!!! I guess you're saying white people can't be trusted? That's only real point apparent in the post.
Global warming denial seems to be centered in the US. I think this is probably due to the American obsession with conspiracy theories. In Europe as is in most of the world, the question is not whether the earth is warming but rather what are we going to do about it.
Global Warming, aka Climate Change is the largest scam ever conducted.
If AGW were true then there would be no need for lies. Yet there is fraud, deciet, coercion, and tons of political and economic pressure. If it were true, the facts would speak for themselves, and there would never be any of the damning e-mails that have come to light.
It's a scam folks, plain and simple.
Who said there were lies? That's just propaganda. There may be differences in interpretation, but the REAL lie is that there isn't something going on or that we can't possibly have anything to do with it. How can that be true, when man puts out more CO2 in DAYS than all the volcanoes on earth do in a normal year?!?!
Global Warming, aka Climate Change is the largest scam ever conducted.
If AGW were true then there would be no need for lies. Yet there is fraud, deciet, coercion, and tons of political and economic pressure. If it were true, the facts would speak for themselves, and there would never be any of the damning e-mails that have come to light.
It's a scam folks, plain and simple.
Who said there were lies? That's just propaganda. There may be differences in interpretation, but the REAL lie is that there isn't something going on or that we can't possibly have anything to do with it. How can that be true, when man puts out more CO2 in DAYS than all the volcanoes on earth do in a normal year?!?!
And their solution, of course, is "Make the United States pay for it."Global warming denial seems to be centered in the US. I think this is probably due to the American obsession with conspiracy theories. In Europe as is in most of the world, the question is not whether the earth is warming but rather what are we going to do about it.
Actually, global warming supporters are a serious threat to future generations.The question in the survey was how serious is the threat of global warming to you and your family. Global warming is a serious threat to future generations, not the current generation. Today, people are concerned more with current economic conditions and less concerned about the world at the end of this century. However, from this survey it's pretty clear that in spite of the current economic problems the developed nations are concerned.Global warming denial seems to be centered in the US. I think this is probably due to the American obsession with conspiracy theories. In Europe as is in most of the world, the question is not whether the earth is warming but rather what are we going to do about it.
Is that so
Fewer Americans, Europeans View Global Warming as a Threat
Global Warming, aka Climate Change is the largest scam ever conducted.
If AGW were true then there would be no need for lies. Yet there is fraud, deciet, coercion, and tons of political and economic pressure. If it were true, the facts would speak for themselves, and there would never be any of the damning e-mails that have come to light.
It's a scam folks, plain and simple.
Who said there were lies? That's just propaganda. There may be differences in interpretation, but the REAL lie is that there isn't something going on or that we can't possibly have anything to do with it. How can that be true, when man puts out more CO2 in DAYS than all the volcanoes on earth do in a normal year?!?!
Ok, there ARE lies but let's say just for sake of argument that there weren't any actual lies. Well my statement would still be true. If it were true, then the facts would speak for themselves, there wouldn't be any need for anyone to hide data, put political and economic pressures on dissenting scientists, or cover up wrong-doings.
You do not know that there is anything going on. So what if it were true that we put out a lot of CO2? There is no data that can show that CO2 has an effect that stronger than the effect of water vapor and solar activity.
It's a scam.
Actually, global warming supporters are a serious threat to future generations.The question in the survey was how serious is the threat of global warming to you and your family. Global warming is a serious threat to future generations, not the current generation. Today, people are concerned more with current economic conditions and less concerned about the world at the end of this century. However, from this survey it's pretty clear that in spite of the current economic problems the developed nations are concerned.
Wrong. Leftists are a threat to the future of conservatives.Actually, global warming supporters are a serious threat to future generations.The question in the survey was how serious is the threat of global warming to you and your family. Global warming is a serious threat to future generations, not the current generation. Today, people are concerned more with current economic conditions and less concerned about the world at the end of this century. However, from this survey it's pretty clear that in spite of the current economic problems the developed nations are concerned.
Actually willfully ignorant 'Conservatives' are a threat to their own future.
Whatever you say, Reverend Malthus.The question in the survey was how serious is the threat of global warming to you and your family. Global warming is a serious threat to future generations, not the current generation. Today, people are concerned more with current economic conditions and less concerned about the world at the end of this century. However, from this survey it's pretty clear that in spite of the current economic problems the developed nations are concerned.Global warming denial seems to be centered in the US. I think this is probably due to the American obsession with conspiracy theories. In Europe as is in most of the world, the question is not whether the earth is warming but rather what are we going to do about it.
Is that so
Fewer Americans, Europeans View Global Warming as a Threat
The Case for Global Warming Stronger Than Ever
Total bullshit, Bent. You have never presented anything backing your assertation that CO2 does not cause warming. And the computer simulations certainly made far better predictions concerning the present weather patterns than have the sorry assed deniers.
AGW denial is built on laziness and willlfull ignorance. these fuckin idiots are evil.
AGW denial is built on laziness and willlfull ignorance. these fuckin idiots are evil.
