The case for free upper education.

[EdwardBaiamonte]

So Edward.........was the free college education provided to returning veterans "welfare"?

dear the question is has going from $2 to 3 to $4 trillion during Bush/Obama solved our problems or are low IQ liberals always clamoring for more and more with no end despite $20 trillion in debt?? Have you ever read "Never Enough"

As a liberal have you ever read a book in your life?? Be honest.

 

[asaratis]

TANSTAAFL! The same applies to education! Nothing is free except air and advice. Nothing!

How are going to pay for these "free rides"?

 

[CultureCitizen]

it hard when liberals drove 40 million jobs off shore with their unions, taxes and deficits and invited in 20 million illegals to take the remaining jobs.

Unions have nothing to do with that

people could get jobs if we made Democrats illegal.

Wow, Pol Pot , Stallin and Hitler would be so proud of your policy making. What a bright idea ! We then only get one party to vote for.

too 100% stupid as always!!! we might have 2 or more parties but they be would be parties based in intelligence rather than pure liberal ignorance. We might have the conservative party and libertarian party for example.

Oh, that sounds great ! You can have any party as long as it doesn't have liberal ideas. Sond like the Chinese government : you can choose any candidate you want as long as it is sanctioned by the Peoples Party.

 

[CultureCitizen]

TANSTAAFL! The same applies to education! Nothing is free except air and advice. Nothing!

How are going to pay for these "free rides"?

With taxes of course. Why else would Thomas Jefferson have created a public school ?
Yes , he could have made a private one , but he didn't . He choice was public education.

 

[CultureCitizen]

Well, if it is not so how do you expect this guys to get a job,

it hard when liberals drove 40 million jobs off shore with their unions, taxes and deficits and invited in 20 million illegals to take the remaining jobs.

Liberals did not drive jobs offshore, it was cheap labour , lack of environmental regulations , cheap raw materials and low taxes from China mainly. That's called free market.

Many other jobs were lost to automation. Since the salaries are high in the US many companies made investments to increase productivity requiring less employees.

Illegals were not invited , when NAFTA was enacted, the USA flooded the Mexican market with subsidised corn.
The meager proffits obtained by mexican farmers disappeared. Semehow , there were thousands of companies willing to pay lower wages to illegal Mexicans who had nothing to loose. Again , free market , combined with dumping. Look at the immigration charts , you'll notice most of Mexicans migrated after the NAFTA.

 

[CultureCitizen]

This is how we got $20 trillion in debt and in more need of welfare than ever.

Up until 2012 the biggest expenditure of the US government was defense.
It was this warmongering what left the US government with a very serious debt.
The US military budget is bigger than that of Rusia, China, UK , France , Japan, Germany , and Italy combined.
Don't you feel any rage when you see how the government squanders the money in something which is of little use ?

Oh yes, and the army watching for poppy fields. Uh uh.

 

[Darkwind]

There seems to be an increasing gap between the job offer and the labour supply.
"The US clearly has the jobs but not the people to fill them. Part of the reason is that a good proportion of those unemployed and marginally employed are not the people companies want. The skills gap continues to plague US labor markets."

Sober Look Labor supply demand imbalance in the United States

To me this looks as a market failure, and the government coupled with the companies should step in to make sure this gap is covered, providing free education.

From my point of view this is not an expenditure, but rather an investment, as employed people pay taxes whereas unemployed people receive benefits.

Share your thoughts on this topic.

Another interesting article

US Occupations Supply And Demand - Business Insider

The issue is not one of of market availability, but government education.

Reduce the liberal arts education, evaluate each child according to their gifts and focus on educating them on workforce requirements instead of generalization.

An unmotivated individual, regardless of education, will not step up to a position of responsibility when they can have their needs met otherwise.

 

[CultureCitizen]

The issue is not one of of market availability, but government education.

Reduce the liberal arts education, evaluate each child according to their gifts and focus on educating them on workforce requirements instead of generalization.

An unmotivated individual, regardless of education, will not step up to a position of responsibility when they can have their needs met otherwise.

I think we agree on that. I am looking at the problem from a supply chain perspective. The market has certain requirements which must be met. Providing free ( or low cost ) education for the areas which the market requires will serve as an incentive for the students to study the areas with actual demand.

Arts ... well who knows, ther might be a time in the future where the demand rises . For the time being it seems this is not the case.

 

[Darkwind]

The issue is not one of of market availability, but government education.

Reduce the liberal arts education, evaluate each child according to their gifts and focus on educating them on workforce requirements instead of generalization.

An unmotivated individual, regardless of education, will not step up to a position of responsibility when they can have their needs met otherwise.

I think we agree on that. I am looking at the problem from a supply chain perspective. The market has certain requirements which must be met. Providing free ( or low cost ) education for the areas which the market requires will serve as an incentive for the students to study the areas with actual demand.

Arts ... well who knows, ther might be a time in the future where the demand rises . For the time being it seems this is not the case.

The problem is, without motivation while in the lower education system, there is no motivation to take on the educational requirements of our economy. Most would like the degree, but one [degree] that lacks any value to the economy. We don't even teach STEM in schools prior to higher educations; the majority of students leaving high school have to attend community college as a remedial remedy to their poor level of education. To be blunt, not many students today look forward to another 6 to 7 years required to earn a graduate degree.

I just don't that the problem is one of supply, or at least, not a matter of supply in terms of available raw resources.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The US military budget is bigger than that of Rusia, China, UK , France , Japan, Germany , and Italy combined.
Don't you feel any rage when you see how the government squanders the money in something which is of little use ?

Dear you are too stupid and liberal by 100%. We are the worlds policemen, the creator of civilization on earth, and the last best hope for freedom on earth as Reagan said so of course we have a huge huge military. Would you rather live in a world where Iran or Russia had the huge military??

See why we are positive that liberalism is based in pure ignorance?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Providing free ( or low cost ) education for the areas which the market requires will serve as an incentive for the students to study the areas with actual demand.

totally stupid and liberal since the govt has no idea what the market will require in the future. By time govt gets organized and begins to teach something the trend has passed. Its best to let business take the gamble and teach what they think is needed to their own employees. IBM is the best example. It grew to be the biggest most profitable company in the world before computer science was even taught in schools and now even IBM doesn't know the future and has been wildly off the mark in predicting where the computer world will go.

Do you understand?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Liberals did not drive jobs offshore, it was cheap labour , lack of environmental regulations , cheap raw materials and low taxes from China mainly. That's called free market.

too stupid why have you not listed highest most liberal corporate taxes in world, liberal union wages, liberal deficits, liberal attack on and destruction of family and schools???? These are things we can control, we cant control China or India.

Is anyone really as dense as you? Is there no one in your life you can show your posts to before you post them here?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Many other jobs were lost to automation. .

too stupid by 100000% Its like saying 97% of the worlds jobs were lost to the invention of modern farming impliments! Can you think through that?

Would the liberal want to make farm impliments illegal so we'd always have 100% employment with everyone working in manual farm labor just to feed themselves at a subsistence level??

Now you can see why we are positive that liberalism is based in pure ignorance?

 

[CultureCitizen]

too stupid by 100000% Its like saying 97% of the worlds jobs were lost to the invention of modern farming impliments! Can you think through that?

In fact they were. Luckily enough as industrialization started , people started moving from the countryside to the cities and started working in factories. Working conditions in factories were gruesom, which eventually lead into workers forming unions.

Baiamonte, your answers reek ignorance on more than one subject.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

too stupid by 100000% Its like saying 97% of the worlds jobs were lost to the invention of modern farming impliments! Can you think through that?

In fact they were..

yes dear they were and it was a wonderful thing while you said the exact opposite?

Now do see why you appear to be liberal and so very very slow?
Do you have no shame?

 

[CultureCitizen]

too stupid by 100000% Its like saying 97% of the worlds jobs were lost to the invention of modern farming impliments! Can you think through that?

In fact they were..

yes dear they were and it was a wonderful thing while you said the exact opposite?

Now do see why you appear to be liberal and so very very slow?
Do you have no shame?

Yes Baiamonte, the jobs were lost. Same happened to shops had to close and life conditions deteriorated for the vast majority of population for an entire generation. True , in the long run things improved.
That doesn't change the fact that many had a real hard time.

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[HenryBHough]

If education were free it should be focused on producing grads with marketable skills.

Obama has enough underwater basket-weavers to make all the wet baskets he can use.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

That doesn't change the fact that many had a real hard time.

too stupid by 199% dear, our subject is not whether people a have real hard time making progress but whether progress is a good thing. Do you get it now?

Think!! you said people lose their jobs to technology when you could have said they gain jobs to technology? Slow??