The Case For Abolishing Unions

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    1) They raise prices so those not in unions get poorer because of the high priced union junk they must buy. No net benefit is possible to workers.

    2) Unions drove perhaps 30 million jobs off shore with their high wages. No net benefit to workers is possible.

    3) Unions encourage people to get ahead through violence rather than by being worth more in the market place.

    4) Politicians encourage unions as a source of money, but politicians unions and non union workers don't have the IQ to know that no net benefit to workers or consumers is possible.
     
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    People are allowed to assemble and organize. It's in the Constitution. But neither should they get special laws or rules that are different from anyone else.
     
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    are you stupid or what? 90% of the factory jobs that went overseas were not union jobs?
    most of the non union jobs in the telemarking business are also done overseas!
    What union products are you saying this about, and why would you buy them if they are JUNK?

    Yeah they used violence to get what they wanted? Oh by the way, Union workers are have better quality, more production gains, stay at their jobs longer, are safer and smarter.

    Without unions it's a race to the bottom for workers and their families. Why don't you go back to before the first unions in the USA and take a look at how people were treated.

    :confused:you are.
     
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    The answer is not clear cut. I am a union supporter but feel they have grown lazy and a few other things. This is a topic I grudgingly have modified my chance on over the last few years.

    Pinkerton violence gives the unions a pass on their own violent tendencies and explain how the mob got entrenched so that is a wash in my opinion.

    So we are back to economics.

    United we bargain divided we beg is the truth. This is a global economy where we are competing with the third world countries is also the truth. So life it rough for folks who just want to work hard for a living.

    What can a man in Detroit do to compete with a man in Mexico City or an even bigger hell hole? Be educated and work smart.

    How can a union protester asking for a boycott of a strip mall which used scab labor get my support?
    1. Know his company's bid for the project so he can prove to me it was competitive if not better than the scab company's.
    2. Hand out information on OSHA or Immigration violations of the company's labor he is protesting against.

    Once again they gotta work smart to compete with a man who can't read in Honduras.
     
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    I don't say this to insult or offend you but you are in serious need of some critical education to bring you up to date as an informed and useful American citizen. You can find a lot of what you need to know at this website: The Union Movement's Proud Past

    And the following movies will help you to understand how and why the union movement was responsible for creating the American middle class and quite likely is the reason why you are not working for less than current minimum wage and living in abject poverty:

    Harlan County USA
    The Molly McGuires
    On The Waterfront
    Norma Rae
    Matewan
    Hoffa
     
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    Mike, I agree 100% about the position of union labor in history. Unions were the tool which common man used to create a middle class after the industrial revolution.

    So now in America what is the point of the UAW. To control concessions which allow Ford to compete with Tata? Why should a business allow the employees to form a union?

    I ask from what I assume is your side.
     
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    IF you come up with anything factual & verifiable, do let us know. So far I can't even get up a good hurl...................:lol:
     
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    Really? So we should abandon the ten commandments for christians, disallow any benefits or incentives for clubs, associations, and stop CEO bonuses, benefits and high salaries that drive up food prices.

    Are you arguing for Socialism by any chance?
     
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    If big business has it's way, there will be no unions and no minimum wage. I believe they see this as the only way to make American industry completive throughout the world. The big corporations can now buy all the politicians they need to break the unions and drive wages as low as needed. Once wages are low enough there will be plenty of jobs.
     
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