The Case For Abolishing Unions

[Brutus]

1) They raise prices so those not in unions get poorer because of the high priced union junk they must buy. No net benefit is possible to workers.

2) Unions drove perhaps 30 million jobs off shore with their high wages. No net benefit to workers is possible.

3) Unions encourage people to get ahead through violence rather than by being worth more in the market place.

4) Politicians encourage unions as a source of money, but politicians unions and non union workers don't have the IQ to know that no net benefit to workers or consumers is possible.

 

[Shoobis1]

People are allowed to assemble and organize. It's in the Constitution. But neither should they get special laws or rules that are different from anyone else.

 

[Iowa10000]

1) They raise prices so those not in unions get poorer because of the high priced union junk they must buy. No net benefit is possible to workers.

2) Unions drove perhaps 30 million jobs off shore with their high wages. No net benefit to workers is possible.

3) Unions encourage people to get ahead through violence rather than by being worth more in the market place.

4) Politicians encourage unions as a source of money, but politicians unions and non union workers don't have the IQ to know that no net benefit to workers or consumers is possible.

are you stupid or what? 90% of the factory jobs that went overseas were not union jobs?
most of the non union jobs in the telemarking business are also done overseas!
What union products are you saying this about, and why would you buy them if they are JUNK?

Yeah they used violence to get what they wanted? Oh by the way, Union workers are have better quality, more production gains, stay at their jobs longer, are safer and smarter.

Without unions it's a race to the bottom for workers and their families. Why don't you go back to before the first unions in the USA and take a look at how people were treated.

you are.

 

[Iowa10000]

Here jocko, go read a little and you might actually get a clue.


Do workers still want unions? More than ever | Agenda for Shared Prosperity

The majority of workers would be happy to have a Union or at least that type of right in the workplace if they could.

 

[Toronado3800]

The answer is not clear cut. I am a union supporter but feel they have grown lazy and a few other things. This is a topic I grudgingly have modified my chance on over the last few years.

Pinkerton violence gives the unions a pass on their own violent tendencies and explain how the mob got entrenched so that is a wash in my opinion.

So we are back to economics.

United we bargain divided we beg is the truth. This is a global economy where we are competing with the third world countries is also the truth. So life it rough for folks who just want to work hard for a living.

What can a man in Detroit do to compete with a man in Mexico City or an even bigger hell hole? Be educated and work smart.

How can a union protester asking for a boycott of a strip mall which used scab labor get my support?
1. Know his company's bid for the project so he can prove to me it was competitive if not better than the scab company's.
2. Hand out information on OSHA or Immigration violations of the company's labor he is protesting against.

Once again they gotta work smart to compete with a man who can't read in Honduras.

 

[MikeK]

1) They raise prices so those not in unions get poorer because of the high priced union junk they must buy. No net benefit is possible to workers.

2) Unions drove perhaps 30 million jobs off shore with their high wages. No net benefit to workers is possible.

3) Unions encourage people to get ahead through violence rather than by being worth more in the market place.

4) Politicians encourage unions as a source of money, but politicians unions and non union workers don't have the IQ to know that no net benefit to workers or consumers is possible.

I don't say this to insult or offend you but you are in serious need of some critical education to bring you up to date as an informed and useful American citizen. You can find a lot of what you need to know at this website: The Union Movement's Proud Past

And the following movies will help you to understand how and why the union movement was responsible for creating the American middle class and quite likely is the reason why you are not working for less than current minimum wage and living in abject poverty:

Harlan County USA
The Molly McGuires
On The Waterfront
Norma Rae
Matewan
Hoffa

 

[Toronado3800]

Mike, I agree 100% about the position of union labor in history. Unions were the tool which common man used to create a middle class after the industrial revolution.

So now in America what is the point of the UAW. To control concessions which allow Ford to compete with Tata? Why should a business allow the employees to form a union?

I ask from what I assume is your side.

 

[shintao]

1) They raise prices so those not in unions get poorer because of the high priced union junk they must buy. No net benefit is possible to workers.

2) Unions drove perhaps 30 million jobs off shore with their high wages. No net benefit to workers is possible.

3) Unions encourage people to get ahead through violence rather than by being worth more in the market place.

4) Politicians encourage unions as a source of money, but politicians unions and non union workers don't have the IQ to know that no net benefit to workers or consumers is possible.

IF you come up with anything factual & verifiable, do let us know. So far I can't even get up a good hurl...................

 

[shintao]

People are allowed to assemble and organize. It's in the Constitution. But neither should they get special laws or rules that are different from anyone else.

Really? So we should abandon the ten commandments for christians, disallow any benefits or incentives for clubs, associations, and stop CEO bonuses, benefits and high salaries that drive up food prices.

Are you arguing for Socialism by any chance?

 

[Flopper]

If big business has it's way, there will be no unions and no minimum wage. I believe they see this as the only way to make American industry completive throughout the world. The big corporations can now buy all the politicians they need to break the unions and drive wages as low as needed. Once wages are low enough there will be plenty of jobs.

 

[shintao]

If big business has it's way, there will be no unions and no minimum wage. I believe they see this as the only way to make American industry completive throughout the world. The big corporations can now buy all the politicians they need to break the unions and drive wages as low as needed. Once wages are low enough there will be plenty of jobs.

So are you saying the price of a home will drop to $2000. again?


1931 Lincoln Nebraska
4 room bungalow with basement , gas , pine finish , full basement
$2,100

 

[Madeline]

All unions are not the same. The trades...plumbers, electricians, etc. train the next generation of skilled workers, keep the inept from killing you, and advance safety concerns for us all. These are not skills that can be acquired in classrooms.

Some industries remain oppressed and many are also endangered. Which of you really wants to dismantle United Mine Workers? As for United Food and Retail Workers, how long do you think a chain like Giant Eagle will pay union wages if they dun have to fear their workers will organize? In some market segments, unions drive wages up for everyone.

AFL/CIO and UAW are troubling. They have checkered pasts and some of their leadership has engaged in conduct a Mafia boss would admire. BTW, these fuckwhits harm and steal from their own members far more than the general public. Did you really think all the mergers and acquisitions of large companies in the 1990's that resulted in "skimming" the workers' pension funds was done without the union bosses holding out their palms to be greased?

Baby, bathwater........proportionality is your friend.

 

[jgarden]

Only in America would you give "tax cuts" to the wealthy and then "demonize" the teachers for being "too greedy!"

 

[JFK_USA]

The case for Keeping and Strengthening unions.

1) Businesses are greedy. No we won't be able to compete with China or Honduras for wages. But guess what? They have the worst possible conditions. They run rampant with poverty, disease, famine and dirty water. You really want that for America? What makes America great is the fact that we hold businesses accountable for their actions. How they take care of workers, how they pay for workers, how the benefits are, making sure businesses actually pay their workers. You keep taking away workers rights, we will look like Honduras.

2) Being pro-business is anti-american. I believe that. We were founded by the people for the people. We were founded as a country where the people have the power. You do everything in your power to shut down the people, you take away what makes us Americans. Are their a few bad apples? Yes. Do you throw out the whole crop because of it? No.

Our country was founded by a group of radicals that joined together to fight the bigger power. And they won. Our Unions were founded by a group of radicals that joined together to fight the bigger power. Do you know why? Because when 1 stands up for something, it has no effect. But when thousands stand together for that same cause, they become empowered and we become much stronger.

You hear Glenn Beck that whats going on in Wisconsin is "mob rule" and you should hate it. Well our country wouldn't be hear without mob rule. And whats going on is nothing like mob rule, its people together standing up for their neighbor, their co-worker, their mother and their father and saying "Don't Tread on Me and my rights as an American"

 

[Madeline]

My Mommy and Daddy were both k -12 teachers, in the 1950's, before the advent of public employee unions. We weren't just poor, we were p-o-o-r. Our house was little more than a cabin....and there were TWO parents working, which for them days was almost unheard of.

You guys really think this nation will be better off if we lower the wages for teachers, cops, firemen, etc. to minimum wage and strip off all their benefits? You think our kids will learn more, or that our workforce will become more competitive?

Will YOUR wages remain as they are now?

 

[Brutus]

1) They raise prices so those not in unions get poorer because of the high priced union junk they must buy. No net benefit is possible to workers.

Brutus: 2) Unions drove perhaps 30 million jobs off shore with their high wages. No net benefit to workers is possible.

Brutus: 3) Unions encourage people to get ahead through violence rather than by being worth more in the market place.

Brutus: 4) Politicians encourage unions as a source of money, but politicians unions and non union workers don't have the IQ to know that no net benefit to workers or consumers is possible.

Liberal: are you stupid or what? 90% of the factory jobs that went overseas were not union jobs?

Brutus: impossible to say what percentage was union or not. In any case it is very clear and obvious that unions drove up wages and helped make American made products too expensive. Unions should now be illegal.


Liberal: most of the non union jobs in the telemarking business are also done overseas!

Brutus: So??

Liberal: What union products are you saying this about, and why would you buy them if they are JUNK?

Brutus: people bought union junk out of habit and loyality to their country until the quality difference was so great that it could not be ignored.


Liberal: Yeah they used violence to get what they wanted?


Brutus: yes they bought politicians who forced business to recognize unions at the point of a gun while real Americans worked in the free market based on voluntary non-violent relationships.

Liberal: Oh by the way, Union workers are have better quality, more production gains, stay at their jobs longer, are safer and smarter.

Brutus: any evidence of this or just a liar??

Liberal: Without unions it's a race to the bottom for workers and their families. Why don't you go back to before the first unions in the USA and take a look at how people were treated.

Brutus: Econ 101 for you. Business must pay the highest wages possible or best workers will leave to best jobs. Isn't learning fun?

Liberalyou are.

Brutus: I assume you understand now?

 

[Brutus]

Mike, I agree 100% about the position of union labor in history. Unions were the tool which common man used to create a middle class after the industrial revolution.

Brutus: that is of course absurd since a capitalist business always must pay the highest wage possible or its best workers will leave to where they can get the highest wage possible. Similiarly, a business must produce the best product possible at the lowest price possible or its customers will leave. A business is a slave to its workers and customers. Now you know the basics of Econ 101 and why we have the highest standard of living in human history.

 

[syrenn]

All unions are not the same. The trades...plumbers, electricians, etc. train the next generation of skilled workers, keep the inept from killing you, and advance safety concerns for us all. These are not skills that can be acquired in classrooms.

Some industries remain oppressed and many are also endangered. Which of you really wants to dismantle United Mine Workers? As for United Food and Retail Workers, how long do you think a chain like Giant Eagle will pay union wages if they dun have to fear their workers will organize? In some market segments, unions drive wages up for everyone.

AFL/CIO and UAW are troubling. They have checkered pasts and some of their leadership has engaged in conduct a Mafia boss would admire. BTW, these fuckwhits harm and steal from their own members far more than the general public. Did you really think all the mergers and acquisitions of large companies in the 1990's that resulted in "skimming" the workers' pension funds was done without the union bosses holding out their palms to be greased?

Baby, bathwater........proportionality is your friend.

Are we going to go over this again?


Here i will make it bigger so you can see it Madeline.



Union and being a union member does not mean skilled workers. All it means is that they PAY their dues. A Non union worker does not mean unskilled labor either. All it means is that they DO NOT PAY DUES

 

[Brutus]

If big business has it's way, there will be no unions and no minimum wage. I believe they see this as the only way to make American industry completive throughout the world. The big corporations can now buy all the politicians they need to break the unions and drive wages as low as needed. Once wages are low enough there will be plenty of jobs.

Brutus: make liberals illegal as Founders intended and we'd have 20 million new jobs overnight:

1) Make unions illegal
2) make minimum wage illegal
3) end business taxation
4) make inflation illegal
5) make Federal debt illegal
6) close borders to illegals
7) Pass Balanced Budget Amendment to Constitution
8) cut pay of government workers in half
9) Make health insurance competition legal
10) end needless business regulations
11) restrict Federal spending to 15% of GNP
12) support unlimited free trade
13) reduced unemployment compensation, welfare, food stamps, medicaid.
14) privatize education, social security
15) end payroll taxes

 

[noose4]

1) They raise prices so those not in unions get poorer because of the high priced union junk they must buy. No net benefit is possible to workers.

2) Unions drove perhaps 30 million jobs off shore with their high wages. No net benefit to workers is possible.

3) Unions encourage people to get ahead through violence rather than by being worth more in the market place.

4) Politicians encourage unions as a source of money, but politicians unions and non union workers don't have the IQ to know that no net benefit to workers or consumers is possible.

Way too much Glenn Beck listening to in this.