The Business of Government is to Promote Happiness or Business?

[georgephillip]

Wow, you just repeat the same stupid shit over and over and over. You have not got a fucking clue about how capitalism works, that's very apparent.

Capitalism puts the means of production in private hands, right?

 

[dblack]

Wow, you just repeat the same stupid shit over and over and over. You have not got a fucking clue about how capitalism works, that's very apparent.

Capitalism puts the means of production in private hands, right?

The means of production IS private hands.

 

[georgephillip]

exactly what it says. are you on the right?

No. My views are closer to Chomsky's than anyone else.
Sorry if I misunderstood you.

 

[OnePercenter]

But isn't socialism supposed to create the middle class? How does a country become first world if not through socialism? Please explain the magic for us.

Here are some other countries where it isn't working:

North Korea
Cuba
Zimbabwe
Brazil
Argentina
Bolivia
Angola
Somalia
Ethiopia
Mozambique

Being third world countries is the reason that there isn't a middle class.

 

[OnePercenter]

Welfare is poverty, moron.

Working Americans that qualify for welfare is the problem, moron. I call it, Walmart Welfare.

 

[OnePercenter]

And I wonder just how many get off the dole?
I'm sure there are people on welfare and some sort of assistance for years.

Walmart employees.

 

[OnePercenter]

years? Try decades.

Again, Walmart employees.

 

[OnePercenter]

Oh, I see the problem now. You're an uneducated fuck stick who doesn't know what he's talking about. It all makes sense now.

And you can't refute my post. Very, very, telling.

 

[rightwinger]

Welfare is poverty, moron.

Working Americans that qualify for welfare is the problem, moron. I call it, Walmart Welfare.

How can we live in a society where someone can work a full time job and still need welfare?

 

[OnePercenter]

I want a %. Also, what jobs? Part time makig under 18,000 a year? That's poverty.

That's sad.

Here's my plan to eliminate welfare, both for people AND business.


-Base Federal tax or corporations at 30% of revenue.

-Raise minimum wage to $23.50/hr. Based on where minimum wage should be using 1970-2013 rise in food, shelter, and transportation.

-Eliminate all business subsidies (deductions/write-off’s/write-downs) except for employee expenses which are deducted dollar-for-dollar on all city, state, and Federal taxes and fees with the Feds refunding city, State, and fees.

-Companies with 400 employees or less, employee expenses above the deduction are subsidized at 100% with funds usually give back to the States.

-Adjust Social Security and private/public retirement and pension payments using 1970-2013 price structure.

-Remove the FICA limit.

-Back down ALL costs, prices, fees, to January 1, 2009 levels and hold them for 10 years which will eliminate inflation.

-Recall ALL off-shore investments tax free, and disallow any further off-shore investments.

-Make inversion illegal.

 

[OnePercenter]

Welfare is poverty, moron.

Working Americans that qualify for welfare is the problem, moron. I call it, Walmart Welfare.

How can we live in a society where someone can work a full time job and still need welfare?

Keeps the Walmart 7 eating Canard à l'Orange. Which is the entire point of working class poor.

 

[OnePercenter]

How did all the jobs exist without government before? Capitalism doesn't create the jobs, the jobs create capitalism. The bigger government is the fewer there are participating in the private sector.

There is no finite amount of wealth or money, I don't know why liberals think that. This nation got wealthier how? By government passing legislation on wealth creation?

Exactly what year was that?

One-quarter of my business are government contracts. I hired to fill these contracts, so a larger government is responsible for creation of these jobs. I only hired.

 

[OnePercenter]

And like any good socialist, to GP that means gov't confiscation of private wealth to be redistributed to him. Over time it becomes increasingly difficult to just vote out socialism. See: Greece.
Here is where we seem to be headed:
INEPTOCRACY - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

Greece (and France) had a problem with investment which was almost killed by Republican deregulating derivatives. Republicans greed - blame it on the little guy.

DECEPTIVE POSTING - Anything SAYIT posts.

 

[bripat9643]

The problem with assigning government the task of "promoting the general welfare" (or happiness, or health, or whatever goodies people might want) is that it must first decide, for us, what constitutes our general welfare.

If we are not happy with what they decide, we get to vote them out

Aren't you one of the boot-lickers who claims we are stuck with Obamacare no matter how the voters vote?

 

[rightwinger]

The problem with assigning government the task of "promoting the general welfare" (or happiness, or health, or whatever goodies people might want) is that it must first decide, for us, what constitutes our general welfare.

If we are not happy with what they decide, we get to vote them out

Aren't you one of the boot-lickers who claims we are stuck with Obamacare no matter how the voters vote?

The voters overwhelmingly elected Obama in 2008 when he promised a healthcare system and overwhelmingly reelected him in 2012 after he delivered a healthcare system. Voters were so thrilled, they named it Obamacare

 

[bripat9643]

But isn't socialism supposed to create the middle class? How does a country become first world if not through socialism? Please explain the magic for us.

Here are some other countries where it isn't working:

North Korea
Cuba
Zimbabwe
Brazil
Argentina
Bolivia
Angola
Somalia
Ethiopia
Mozambique

Being third world countries is the reason that there isn't a middle class.

You mean socialism can't bring them into the first world?

 

[bripat9643]

The problem with assigning government the task of "promoting the general welfare" (or happiness, or health, or whatever goodies people might want) is that it must first decide, for us, what constitutes our general welfare.

If we are not happy with what they decide, we get to vote them out

Aren't you one of the boot-lickers who claims we are stuck with Obamacare no matter how the voters vote?

The voters overwhelmingly elected Obama in 2008 when he promised a healthcare system and overwhelmingly reelected him in 2012 after he delivered a healthcare system. Voters were so thrilled, they named it Obamacare

Poll after poll after poll shows the voters despise Obamacare.

 

[bripat9643]

How did all the jobs exist without government before? Capitalism doesn't create the jobs, the jobs create capitalism. The bigger government is the fewer there are participating in the private sector.

There is no finite amount of wealth or money, I don't know why liberals think that. This nation got wealthier how? By government passing legislation on wealth creation?

Exactly what year was that?

One-quarter of my business are government contracts. I hired to fill these contracts, so a larger government is responsible for creation of these jobs. I only hired.

Every person you hired to fill a government contract means more than one person was laid off somewhere else.

 

[rightwinger]

The problem with assigning government the task of "promoting the general welfare" (or happiness, or health, or whatever goodies people might want) is that it must first decide, for us, what constitutes our general welfare.

If we are not happy with what they decide, we get to vote them out

Aren't you one of the boot-lickers who claims we are stuck with Obamacare no matter how the voters vote?

The voters overwhelmingly elected Obama in 2008 when he promised a healthcare system and overwhelmingly reelected him in 2012 after he delivered a healthcare system. Voters were so thrilled, they named it Obamacare

Poll after poll after poll shows the voters despise Obamacare.

The poll in November 2012 seems to indicate otherwise

Still waiting for Republicans to kick 10 million Americans off of healthcare

 

[bripat9643]

The problem with assigning government the task of "promoting the general welfare" (or happiness, or health, or whatever goodies people might want) is that it must first decide, for us, what constitutes our general welfare.

If we are not happy with what they decide, we get to vote them out

Aren't you one of the boot-lickers who claims we are stuck with Obamacare no matter how the voters vote?

The voters overwhelmingly elected Obama in 2008 when he promised a healthcare system and overwhelmingly reelected him in 2012 after he delivered a healthcare system. Voters were so thrilled, they named it Obamacare

Poll after poll after poll shows the voters despise Obamacare.

The poll in November 2012 seems to indicate otherwise

Still waiting for Republicans to kick 10 million Americans off of healthcare

Anyone paying $1200/mo for a policy with a $13,000 deductible would be happy to kick those 10 million off of Obamacare in a heartbeat.

Furthermore, Obamcare didn't give healthcare to 10 million people who previously didn't have it. It probably didn't do that for even 1 million people.