The Bush Tax Cuts got us in this mess:

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In 2001 in support of the Bush tax cut Alan Greenspan testified before congress that the greatest economic threat he saw was that the nation would pay it’s debt off entirely within 10 years and congress would not adjust taxes quickly enough resulting in an accumulation of capital in Washington which would then be inefficiently applied.

As examples of problems developing he pointed to reduced bond auctions which caused a shortage of marketable securities for certain hedge investments.

At the time the total debt was a bit over 5 trillion, now we are over 15 trillion, why did Greenspan get it so wrong?

“The most recent projections from OMB and CBO indicate that, if current policies remain in place, the total unified surplus will reach about $800 billion in fiscal year 2010, including an on-budget surplus of almost $500 billion. Moreover, the admittedly quite uncertain long-term budget exercises released by the CBO last October maintain an implicit on-budget surplus under baseline assumptions well past 2030 despite the budgetary pressures from the aging of the baby-boom generation, especially on the major health programs.
These most recent projections, granted their tentativeness, nonetheless make clear that the highly desirable goal of paying off the federal debt is in reach and, indeed, would occur well before the end of the decade under baseline assumptions. This is in marked contrast to the perception of a year ago, when the elimination of the debt did not appear likely until the next decade. But continuing to run surpluses beyond the point at which we reach zero or near-zero federal debt brings to center stage the critical longer-term fiscal policy issue of whether the federal government should accumulate large quantities of private (more technically, nonfederal) assets.
At zero debt, the continuing unified budget surpluses now projected under current law imply a major accumulation of private assets by the federal government. Such an accumulation would make the federal government a significant factor in our nation's capital markets and would risk significant distortion in the allocation of capital to its most productive uses. Such a distortion could be quite costly, as it is our extraordinarily effective allocation process that has enabled such impressive increases in productivity and standards of living despite a relatively low domestic saving rate.”

“Returning to the broader fiscal picture, I continue to believe, as I have testified previously, that all else being equal, a declining level of federal debt is desirable because it holds down long-term real interest rates, thereby lowering the cost of capital and elevating private investment. The rapid capital deepening that has occurred in the U.S. economy in recent years is a testament to these benefits. But the sequence of upward revisions to the budget surplus projections for several years now has reshaped the choices and opportunities before us.
Indeed, in almost any credible baseline scenario, short of a major and prolonged economic contraction, the full benefits of debt reduction are now achieved well before the end of this decade--a prospect that did not seem reasonable only a year or even six months ago. Thus, the emerging key fiscal policy need is now to address the implications of maintaining surpluses beyond the point at which publicly held debt is effectively eliminated.”


Testimony of Chairman Alan Greenspan
Current fiscal issues
Before the Committee on the Budget, U.S. House of Representatives
March 2, 2001
 
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In 2001 in support of the Bush tax cut Alan Greenspan testified before congress that...
--that according to Abraham Lincoln most quotes on the internet are made up.
...The Bush Tax Cuts got us in this mess: ...At the time the total debt was a bit over 5 trillion, now we are over 15 trillion...
Sounds like you believe the '03 rate cuts lowered revenue and increased debt. You might want to know that the White House says revenue had been falling before the '03 rate cuts---
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---and has been higher ever since. Increased debt is because spending grew more than increased revenue from the rate cuts. Without the cuts, debt would have been worse.
 
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YO expat-panama

[/quote]--that according to Abraham Lincoln most quotes on the internet are made up.
Are you suggesting that I have been inaccurate in my memory?

How much of your rep are you willing to risk?

Do you want to admit you know nothing of such an important testimony?

As far as your chart goes, what mystery is there in cutting cap gains and watching the pigs feed?

Do you come here to mislead often?
 
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:lmao:

You might want to start with something a bit easier at USMB. While we have a large assortment of posters from well versed and highly intelligent, to short bus "received a plaque anyway", the subject of taxationa nd economics is one where some of the members acutally have a clue about that which they speak.

the fed chart doesn't lie. Revenue increased, it was the spending that got us in this mess.
 
I am surprised that more on a site such as this is either unaware of this, or did not understand it at the time, of course if you were depending on CNBC to explain it you would be out of luck as they of course overlooked this in their recap. But if any can tell me how to pull old transcripts sure I'll do it it would be fun.
 
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I am surprised that more on a site such as these is either unaware of this, or did not understand it at the time, of course if you were depending on CNBC to explain it you be out of luck as they of coursed overlooked this in their recap. But if any can tell me how to pull old transcripts sure I'll do it it would be fun.

Did you fail "Chart Reading 101"?

Revenues soared after the tax cuts, that's a good thing right?

Did you know that 2 Trillion is bigger than 1.8 trillion?
 
In 2001 in support of the Bush tax cut Alan Greenspan testified before congress that the greatest economic threat he saw was that the nation would pay it’s debt off entirely within 10 years and congress would not adjust taxes quickly enough resulting in an accumulation of capital in Washington which would then be inefficiently applied.

As examples of problems developing he pointed to reduced bond auctions which caused a shortage of marketable securities for certain hedge investments.

At the time the total debt was a bit over 5 trillion, now we are over 15 trillion, why did Greenspan get it so wrong?

The Bush Tax Cuts got us in this mess:

How much revenue did those tax cuts keep out of the hands of government?
Be as specific as you can.
 
...Are you suggesting that I have been inaccurate in my memory?...
Hell no, I'm convinced that you remember all sorts of things and that the Greenspan quote did in fact come from your memory.

Personally, I'd have preferred a quote coming directly from say oh I don't know, the Fed maybe? This is the Fed's website list of 2001 testimony. It might be interesting if anyone here is willing to dig up what in particular Greenspan actually did say. The idea would be to post the actual quote into the thread, sort of like how I posted the White House's actual numbers--

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--showing revenue had been falling before the '03 rate cuts and has been higher ever since; which means increased debt has to be caused by spending growing more than increased revenue from the rate cuts, and that without the cuts, debt would have been worse.-
 
“The most recent projections from OMB and CBO indicate that, if current policies remain in place, the total unified surplus will reach about $800 billion in fiscal year 2010, including an on-budget surplus of almost $500 billion. Moreover, the admittedly quite uncertain long-term budget exercises released by the CBO last October maintain an implicit on-budget surplus under baseline assumptions well past 2030 despite the budgetary pressures from the aging of the baby-boom generation, especially on the major health programs.
These most recent projections, granted their tentativeness, nonetheless make clear that the highly desirable goal of paying off the federal debt is in reach and, indeed, would occur well before the end of the decade under baseline assumptions. This is in marked contrast to the perception of a year ago, when the elimination of the debt did not appear likely until the next decade. But continuing to run surpluses beyond the point at which we reach zero or near-zero federal debt brings to center stage the critical longer-term fiscal policy issue of whether the federal government should accumulate large quantities of private (more technically, nonfederal) assets.
At zero debt, the continuing unified budget surpluses now projected under current law imply a major accumulation of private assets by the federal government. Such an accumulation would make the federal government a significant factor in our nation's capital markets and would risk significant distortion in the allocation of capital to its most productive uses. Such a distortion could be quite costly, as it is our extraordinarily effective allocation process that has enabled such impressive increases in productivity and standards of living despite a relatively low domestic saving rate.”

“Returning to the broader fiscal picture, I continue to believe, as I have testified previously, that all else being equal, a declining level of federal debt is desirable because it holds down long-term real interest rates, thereby lowering the cost of capital and elevating private investment. The rapid capital deepening that has occurred in the U.S. economy in recent years is a testament to these benefits. But the sequence of upward revisions to the budget surplus projections for several years now has reshaped the choices and opportunities before us.
Indeed, in almost any credible baseline scenario, short of a major and prolonged economic contraction, the full benefits of debt reduction are now achieved well before the end of this decade--a prospect that did not seem reasonable only a year or even six months ago. Thus, the emerging key fiscal policy need is now to address the implications of maintaining surpluses beyond the point at which publicly held debt is effectively eliminated.”


Testimony of Chairman Alan Greenspan
Current fiscal issues
Before the Committee on the Budget, U.S. House of Representatives
March 2, 2001
 
The current total national debt is nearly 16 trillion dollars, or will be in the next few weeks. The cost of the Bush tax cuts over the first 10 years was about 3 trillion, which leaves some 13 trillion that is due to over reasons. And one could argue that those tax cuts did spur a nice economic spurt from 2003-2008, when the recession hit. So, the 3 trillion dollar cost was probably offset somewhat by the improvement in economic growth and employment that resulted.

I do not deny that those tax cuts did increase the debt, but to say that it's the only reason is wrong. It was more likely the increase in spending during both administrations that is more responsible.
 
...The cost of the Bush tax cuts over the first 10 years was about 3 trillion...
For starters, the Bush tax cuts went into affect in '03. Nine years ago. We don't have results for next year yet.

Next, the White House says the '03 rate cut--
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was followed increased revenue. Now, I don't believe everything that comes out of the WhiteHouse either, but this is a point that the Exectutive Branch has been consistant with since '03.

Finally, a tax-cut does not have a 'cost'. Taxes are a cost. A tax-cut is a cost reduction.
 
...The cost of the Bush tax cuts over the first 10 years was about 3 trillion...
For starters, the Bush tax cuts went into affect in '03. Nine years ago. We don't have results for next year yet.

Next, the White House says the '03 rate cut--
fredgraph.png

was followed increased revenue. Now, I don't believe everything that comes out of the WhiteHouse either, but this is a point that the Exectutive Branch has been consistant with since '03.

Finally, a tax-cut does not have a 'cost'. Taxes are a cost. A tax-cut is a cost reduction.
For starters you are wrong, so everything else based on your start must be wrong. '03 was the SECOND Bush tax cut, the first was '01.
 

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