The Birthday of an American Hero

[PoliticalChic]

1. January 5, 1779 Stephen Decatur, naval hero, born.
He participated in two Barbary Wars.
He was a hero in both actions. There are eighteen towns, cities, and counties named for
him across America.

After returning and stationed in Washington, D.C. he responded to his hosts at a Norfolk
dinner with this toast:
Our Country! In her intercourse with foreign nations, may she always be in the right;
but right or wrong, our country!

His words with reference to Commodore James Barron, who he blamed for the loss of the
Chesapeake, resulted in a duel near Bladensburg, Maryland in which he was mortally
wounded on March 22, 1820.




2. The birthday of this American hero, Stephen Decatur, is reason for us to recall the Barbary Wars, for two significant reasons:

a. because of their historical importance, the nascent America stretching her wings.....

b. ....and because it is one more proof of the malefaction in our White House today.



3. This sort of malefaction: "Obama: 'Islam Has Been Woven Into the Fabric of Our Country Since Its Founding'
That's what the president told a White House conference on "countering violent extremism" on Wednesday.

Obama has said similar things in the past:
"I also know that Islam has always been a part of America’s story,” Obama said in a June 2009 speech in Cairo, Egypt. "Islam has always been part of America," he said in a 2010 statement marking the start of Ramadan.
And in a 2014 statement marking Eid, Obama said the holiday "also reminds us of the many achievements and contributions of Muslim Americans to building the very fabric of our nation and strengthening the core of our democracy.
"Here in America, Islam has been woven into the fabric of our country since its founding. Generations -- (applause) -- Generations of Muslim immigrants came here and went to work as farmers and merchants and factory workers, helped to lay railroads and to build up America.

"The first Islamic center in New York City was founded in the 1890s. America's first mosque, this was an interesting fact, was in North Dakota." (It was established in 1929).



Both of those milestones happened well after America's founding, however. In fact, the new nation's first dealings with Islam were tense and unpleasant.

According to a Heritage Foundation paper, shortly after America's founding, the United States "was dragged into the affairs of the Islamic world by an escalating series of unprovoked attacks on Americans by Muslim pirates, the terrorists of the era," who looted American ships and captured American sailors, holding them for ransom or selling them as slaves.

The paper notes that America's struggle with Muslim pirates from the Barbary States (modern-day Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and Libya) began soon after the 13 colonies declared their independence from Britain in 1776 and continued for roughly four decades." Obama: 'Islam Has Been Woven Into the Fabric of Our Country Since Its Founding'



A simple mistake....
...or a sleazy liar with a malevolent agenda?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

I'd go with sleazy, malevolent.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Sigh.

 

[Sunni Man]

Pres Obama is correct.

An estimated 25% of African slaves shipped to America were muslims.

And the 1st foreign country to officially recognize the independence of the United States in 1777 was the muslim country of Morocco. .......

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'd go with sleazy, malevolent.

And, Billy-boy, let's not forget to go beyond correctly describing the mistake in the Oval Office, to assigning blame to every one of those 65,915,796 who made the unforgivable mistake of voting for him.
They did this to the nation and to the world.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Pres Obama is correct.

An estimated 25% of African slaves shipped to America were muslims.

And the 1st foreign country to officially recognize the independence of the United States in 1777 was the muslim country of Morocco. .......

Interesting.



But...sorry, ol' pal....you're not gonna be happy with the rest of this thread. This is not a subject where we walk shoulder to shoulder.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Your thread is not worth anything other than that of the fascination of watching your train wreck of an argument.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"I also know that Islam has always been a part of America’s story,”Obama said in a June 2009 speech in Cairo, Egypt.

"Islam has always been part of America," he said in a 2010 statement marking the start of Ramadan.


Let's document that.....


4. In March 1785, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). When they inquired "concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury", the ambassador replied:

It was written in their Koran,that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whomit was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave;and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise.

"American Peace Commissioners to John Jay," March 28, 1786, "Thomas Jefferson Papers," Series 1. General Correspondence. 1651–1827, Library of Congress. LoC: March 28, 1786 (handwritten).
^ Making of America Project; Philip Gengembre Hubert (1872). The Atlantic monthly. Atlantic Monthly Co.. p. 413 (typeset) (some sources confirm this wording,[15][16] other sources report this quotation with slight differences in wording.




"...written in their Koran....the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave...."

"Obama: 'Islam Has Been Woven Into the Fabric of Our Country Since Its Founding'"

 

[PoliticalChic]

The birthday boy, Stephen Decatur's heroics!

"On October 31, 1803,Philadelphia, under the command of CommodoreWilliam Bainbridge, ran aground on an uncharted reef (known as Kaliusa reef) near Tripoli's harbor. After desperate and failed attempts to refloat the ship she was subsequently captured and her crew imprisoned by Tripolitan forces.

In an elaborate plan put together by Lieutenant Decatur,[51]Decatur sailed for Tripoli with 80 volunteers (most of them being U.S. Marines) intending to enter the harbor withIntrepidwithout suspicion to board and set ablaze the frigatePhiladelphia, denying its use to the corsairs.

On February 16, 1804, at seven o'clock in the evening under the dim light of a waxing crescent moon,Intrepidslowly sailed into Tripoli harbor. Decatur's vessel was made to look like a common merchant ship from Malta and was outfitted withBritish colours.

Decatur surprised the few Tripolitans on board when he shouted the order "board!", signaling to the hidden crew below to emerge and storm the captured ship.[58]Without losing a single man, Decatur and 60 of his men, dressed as Maltese sailors or Arab seamen and armed with swords and boarding pikes, boarded and reclaimedPhiladelphiain less than 10 minutes, killing at least 20 of the Tripolitan crew, capturing one wounded crewman, and forcing the rest to flee by jumping overboard. Only one of Decatur's men was slightly wounded by asaberblade.

After learning of Decatur's daring capture and destruction ofPhiladelphiawithout suffering a single fatality, British Vice Admiral LordHoratio Nelson, who at the time was blockading the French port atToulon, claimed that it was "the most bold and daring act of the Age."

Upon hearing the news of their victory in Tripoli,Pope Pius VIIpublicly declared that "the United States, though in their infancy, had done more to humble and humiliate the anti-Christian barbarians on the African coast in one night than all the European states had done for a long period of time."

Stephen Decatur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[PoliticalChic]

Stephen Decatur, a true American hero.

Then, there's this guy:

"Obama: 'Islam Has Been Woven Into the Fabric of Our Country Since Its Founding'



Well...he was right about that....but not in a good way:

5. "Ransoming Americans was no less expensive, and therefore was a very profitable trade for the Muslim terrorists. Additionally, the Muslim nations would sign treaties with the attacked nations, including America, providing that for an annual "tribute"(perhaps $1 million a year, along with the "gift" of several frigates), that they would perhaps refrain from further attacks. By 1795, such "peace" payments to Muslim terrorists comprised a full sixteen percent of the entire federal budget!"
America's First War With Muslims...Should Have Been The Last! - Patriot Action Network


Our Liberal pals love throwing around the term 'discrimination.'
Muslims make non-Muslim pay a tax just to live.
"A dhimmī (Arabic: ذمي‎ ḏimmī, IPA: [ˈðɪmmiː], collectively أهل الذمةahl al-ḏimmah/dhimmah "the people of the dhimma") is a historical[1] term referring to non-Muslim citizens of an Islamic state.... it was obligatory for them to pay the jizya tax, which complemented the zakat, or Islamic tax, paid by the Muslim subjects"



Nazis made Jews wear a yellow star.....guess where they got the idea?

"The practice of wearing special markings in order to distinguish Jews and other non-Muslims (Dhimmis) in Muslim-dominated countries seems to have been introduced by Umayyad Caliph Umar II in early 8th century.The practice was reissued and reinforced by Caliph Al-Mutawakkil (847–61), subsequently remaining in force for centuries.[2][3] A genizah document from 1121 gives the following description of decrees issued in Baghdad:

Two yellow badges [are to be displayed], one on the headgear and one on the neck. Furthermore, each Jew must hang round his neck a piece of lead with the word Dhimmi on it. He also has to wear a belt round his waist. The women have to wear one red and one black shoe and have a small bell on their necks or shoes." Yellow badge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JakeStarkey]

PC is now pro-Catholic and pro-Pope.

I am going to tell Jeremiah on her.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Obama: 'Islam Has Been Woven Into the Fabric of Our Country Since Its Founding'
That's what the president told a White House conference on "countering violent extremism"

Well.....sorta....

6. "The First Barbary War (1801–1805), also known as the Tripolitan War or the Barbary Coast War, was the first of two wars fought between the United States and the Northwest African Berber Muslim states known collectively as the Barbary States,.... Thomas Jefferson refused to pay the high tributes demanded by the Barbary states and because they were seizing American merchant ships and enslaving the crews for high ransoms. It was the first declared war the United States fought on foreign land and seas."
First Barbary War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




Our Liberal/Democrat pals, the ones who enforced slavery, segregation, and Jim Crow in America, learned much from the Muslim pirates of the Barbary Coast...


7. According to Robert Davis,between 1 million and 1.25 million Europeans were captured by Barbary pirates [read 'Muslims'] and sold as slavesbetween the 16th and 19th centuries
Davis, Robert. "Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters: White Slavery in the Mediterranean, the Barbary Coast and Italy, 1500–1800"

 

[PoliticalChic]

8. But....there were two Barbary Wars.

"The war, which lasted from 1801 to 1805, did not completely end the acts of piracy against American vessels, but it did prove that the United States was capable of waging war, if necessary, in places far from its own shores.

During the next few years, U.S. Naval forces blockaded the Barbary ports and waged a campaign of raids against Barbary fleets.

Tripoli signed a treaty ending hostilities on June 10, 1805, which the U.S. Senate ratified a year later.

The First Barbary War did not settle the issue of piracy in the Mediterranean. By 1807, Algerian pirates had resumed activities against American vessels." First Barbary War Quick Facts




9. See, here's the point.....the two cultures are not comparable, in many ways....including telling the truth.
Of course, Judeo-Christian cultures have plenty of examples of folks breaking treaties....but treaties are part of this culture because they are lived up to.


Not so in Islam.

"Remember, Muhammad is Islam. If Muhammad proves to be a liar and truce breaker then today’s Muslims will follow suit. Muhammad is their prime example and they endeavor to walk in his footsteps. If Muhammad could lie and break his word for any reason that suited him so will the Muslims of today."
Mark LeVine and a Truce With Islam


As they did in the First Barbary War:

" Tripoli signed a treaty ending hostilities on June 10, 1805, which the U.S. Senate ratified a year later.....By 1807, Algerian pirates had resumed activities against American vessels."

 

[Moonglow]

The Jews of the Austro-Hungarian empire were wearing yellow stars in the 12 the century..Tudor England had a special tax to allow Jews to worship...

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Jews of the Austro-Hungarian empire were wearing yellow stars in the 12 the century..Tudor England had a special tax to allow Jews to worship...

What's your point?

Is this the usual Progressive-Islamist Alliance attempt to white wash the nature of Islam?

 

[PoliticalChic]

10. As I said, the Judeo-Christian tradition is not analogous with Islam.

There is justification, in Islam, for breaking a treaty: Muhammad did.


"During 628 A.D. Muhammad attempted to make a pilgrimage to the Kaba in Mecca. As he neared, Meccan troops opposed him and forbid him to proceed to Mecca. However, the Meccans entered into negotiations with him. About ten miles outside of Mecca, by the spring of Hudaybiyya, Muhammad and the Meccans concluded a treaty known as the Treaty of Hudaybiyya.

This treaty humiliated the Muslims and Muhammad. Later as he journeyed home, Muhammad told his followers that the affair at Hudaybiyya was in fact a "victory".


a. When Muhammad made the treaty of Hudaybiyya, he knew that with the threat of the Meccans checked (due to the treaty), he would be free to attack his other enemies and subject them. Just as Hitler knew that his treaty with Russia allowed him to attack weaker states, like Poland, with impunity, so Muhammad knew he could now attack the weaker tribes near Medina.
W. M. Watt writes in "Muhammad in Medina", page 48


b. "This is on which Muhammad bin Abdullah made peace with..." and dictated the articles of the agreement, which stated that:
The agreement is essentially a truce between the two parties fora period of 10 years. The Treaty of Hudabiyyah




Less than two years after making a treaty with the people of Mecca, Muhammad returned with an army and took the city by surprise.

Coincidentally, less that two years after Tripoli signed the treaty with America...the went back to ambushing, enslaving and toruring.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So....Muhammad agreed to a ten year treaty with the Meccans....

11."Less than two years after making a treaty with the people of Mecca, Muhammad returned with an army and took the city by surprise.Although this has been a traditional source of pride for Muslims down through the centuries, contemporary scholars are more apt to dwell on excusing Muhammad's action, since it contrasts with the claim that Islam is a religion of peace. "
Myth: The Treaty of Hudaibiya

After Muhammad conquered Mecca and established his power in his region of the Saudi Peninsula, he claimed to have received another "revelation" from Allah,telling him to break his word and some treaties.



Here is the text from the Quran, suras 9:1-5

1)Freedom from obligation (is proclaimed) from Allah and His messenger toward those of the idolaters with whom ye made a treaty.

2) Travel freely in the land four months, and know that ye cannot escape Allah and thatAllah will confound the disbelievers(in His Guidance).

3) And a proclamation from Allah and His messenger to all men on the day of the Greater Pilgrimage that Allah isfree from obligation to the idolaters, and (so is) His messenger. So, if ye repent, it will be better for you; but if ye are averse, then know that ye cannot escape Allah. Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve,

4)Excepting those of the idolaterswith whom ye (Muslims) have a treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you. (As for these), fulfill their treaty to them till their term. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty (unto Him).

5) Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Mark LeVine and a Truce With Islam

 

[PoliticalChic]

The causes of the two Barbary Wars are the very same causes of terrorism today.


12. "Muhammad taught, and the Quran stresses, that a central tenet of Islam is to convert, enslave or kill the infidel. An infidel is anyone who is not Muslim or, depending on who’s doing the killing, belongs to a different sect of Islam. Those who fall into that elusive, perpetually mute category tagged “moderate Muslim” are also infidels. They’re bad Muslims and so, according to the Quran, not Muslims at all.

Quran 9:5: "When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."


13. According to the Islamic watchdog group TheReligionofPeace.com – a fantastic resource for the unfiltered facts on Islam – “The Quran contains at least 109 versesthat call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule.” The aim of these verses is to dehumanize all non-Muslims, making it easier for Muslims of every stripe to slaughter them with impunity when the time is right. "
Matt Barber - Myth of the ‘Moderate Muslim’



Quran 9.29" "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."

Quran 47:4: "Strike off the heads of the disbelievers" and, after making a "wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives."





Compare Stephen Decatur, who said
Our Country! In her intercourse withforeign nations, may she always be in the right; but right or wrong, our country!



.... to Barack Hussein Obama (peace be on him.) who said
'Islam Has Been Woven Into the Fabric of Our Country Since Its Founding'

 

[Old Rocks]

10. As I said, the Judeo-Christian tradition is not analogous with Islam.

There is justification, in Islam, for breaking a treaty: Muhammad did.


"During 628 A.D. Muhammad attempted to make a pilgrimage to the Kaba in Mecca. As he neared, Meccan troops opposed him and forbid him to proceed to Mecca. However, the Meccans entered into negotiations with him. About ten miles outside of Mecca, by the spring of Hudaybiyya, Muhammad and the Meccans concluded a treaty known as the Treaty of Hudaybiyya.

This treaty humiliated the Muslims and Muhammad. Later as he journeyed home, Muhammad told his followers that the affair at Hudaybiyya was in fact a "victory".


a. When Muhammad made the treaty of Hudaybiyya, he knew that with the threat of the Meccans checked (due to the treaty), he would be free to attack his other enemies and subject them. Just as Hitler knew that his treaty with Russia allowed him to attack weaker states, like Poland, with impunity, so Muhammad knew he could now attack the weaker tribes near Medina.
W. M. Watt writes in "Muhammad in Medina", page 48


b. "This is on which Muhammad bin Abdullah made peace with..." and dictated the articles of the agreement, which stated that:
The agreement is essentially a truce between the two parties fora period of 10 years. The Treaty of Hudabiyyah




Less than two years after making a treaty with the people of Mecca, Muhammad returned with an army and took the city by surprise.

Coincidentally, less that two years after Tripoli signed the treaty with America...the went back to ambushing, enslaving and toruring.

As long as the sun does shine, the rivers do flow, and the grass does grow.