The Big Lie is Bush Lied

forget about Clinton. YOu really need to let it go....he has not been the president for over six years now.... give it up. The buck stops at Bush's desk. My GOD. Bush lied about the certainty of Saddam's WMD stockpiles. WHen you say "there is no doubt" about something - anything - it means what it means. It does NOT mean there is VERY LITTLE DOUBT...it doesn't mean we are ALMOST certain.... it means that there IS NO DOUBT. Now you can call a lie political rhetoric if you like, but we both know that is pretty repugnant spin.

Considering Clinton's non responses to terrorsits gave us 9-11 his legacy is secure in history
 
Considering Clinton's non responses to terrorsits gave us 9-11 his legacy is secure in history

Bush lied...people died.... Bush vacationed while the enemies were gathering. Bush was more worried about star wars than terrorists... AHscroft cut $52M from the DOJ antiterrorism budget the day before 9/11 and move it to his anti-porn task force. Bush was clueless.
 
Bush lied...people died.... Bush vacationed while the enemies were gathering. Bush was more worried about star wars than terrorists... AHscroft cut $52M from the DOJ antiterrorism budget the day before 9/11 and move it to his anti-porn task force. Bush was clueless.

If Bush lied so did your fellow Dems

So the President can't take a vacation - even though the Pres is never on a real vacation
 
If Bush lied so did your fellow Dems

So the President can't take a vacation - even though the Pres is never on a real vacation

who cares? Bush's lies took us to war. And the president was not paying attention to the threat of islamic terrorism.... he ignored it and was concentrating on star wars... the record is clear... star wars internationally, and porn here at home... while our real enemies were training how to fly jet liners right under his nose.
 
who cares? Bush's lies took us to war. And the president was not paying attention to the threat of islamic terrorism.... he ignored it and was concentrating on star wars... the record is clear... star wars internationally, and porn here at home... while our real enemies were training how to fly jet liners right under his nose.

much like Clinton ignored Atta and Co for over one year before 9-11

and had Sandy Burgler steal and classified documents relating to his inactivity towards terrorism?
 
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Bush lied...people died.... Bush vacationed while the enemies were gathering. And Clinton was having sex Bush was more worried about star wars than terrorists and Clinton was more worried about getting hit by flying lamps than terrorists... AHscroft cut $52M from the DOJ antiterrorism budget the day before 9/11 and move it to his anti-porn task force which means what? That he did this knowing there would be an attack on 9/11??. Bush was clueless. and Clinton was willfully ignorant.


Hindsight is a wonderful thing, aint it? One good point that has not been made is if Bush was clueless and the previous administration KNEW there was going to be an attack on 9/11, why did not the previous administration not only prepare the country for such an attack but PREVENT it?
 
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing, aint it? One good point that has not been made is if Bush was clueless and the previous administration KNEW there was going to be an attack on 9/11, why did not the previous administration not only prepare the country for such an attack but PREVENT it?

and the Clinton administration built the "wall" where intel agencies could not share information
 
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing, aint it? One good point that has not been made is if Bush was clueless and the previous administration KNEW there was going to be an attack on 9/11, why did not the previous administration not only prepare the country for such an attack but PREVENT it?

The Clinton administration DID prevent the attacks of Y2K... and they did so because Clinton got the heads of intelligence agencies together and directed them to shake the tree and find out what was happening in the field. In contrast, Bush played golf while FBI agents were WARNING their superiors about suspicious arabs learning to fly but not caring about learning how to land... failing to bring that intelligence to the decision makers was a failure of the Bush team and had ZIP to do with Clinton.

And the Ashcroft decision is merely indicative of how much importance team Bush was placing on islamic terrorism...even though Clinton warned them about AQ, they were more worried about pornography....that was BUSH's priorities, not Clinton's.
 
The Clinton administration DID prevent the attacks of Y2K... and they did so because Clinton got the heads of intelligence agencies together and directed them to shake the tree and find out what was happening in the field. In contrast, Bush played golf while FBI agents were WARNING their superiors about suspicious arabs learning to fly but not caring about learning how to land... failing to bring that intelligence to the decision makers was a failure of the Bush team and had ZIP to do with Clinton.

And the Ashcroft decision is merely indicative of how much importance team Bush was placing on islamic terrorism...even though Clinton warned them about AQ, they were more worried about pornography....that was BUSH's priorities, not Clinton's.

the same Clinton who pulled the troops out of a fight and OBL then called the US a "paper tiger"?

the same Clinton who ignored Atta and Co and allowed them roam free and plan 9-11?
 
If Bush lied so did your fellow Dems

So the President can't take a vacation - even though the Pres is never on a real vacation

Maybe Bush didn't "lie" per se.

Maybe he just told multiple truths, a couple half truths and other things that just turned out to be.....well.....not true.:rofl:
 
The Clinton administration DID prevent the attacks of Y2K... and they did so because Clinton got the heads of intelligence agencies together and directed them to shake the tree and find out what was happening in the field. In contrast, Bush played golf while FBI agents were WARNING their superiors about suspicious arabs learning to fly but not caring about learning how to land... failing to bring that intelligence to the decision makers was a failure of the Bush team and had ZIP to do with Clinton.

So how much stuff did Clinton miss while he was busy getting blowjobs? Clinton did not stop embassy bombings nor the attack on USS Cole...was he "clueless too?

And the Ashcroft decision is merely indicative of how much importance team Bush was placing on islamic terrorism...even though Clinton warned them about AQ, they were more worried about pornography....that was BUSH's priorities, not Clinton's. Yeah, yeah, and how serious was Clinton when he passed up opportunities to nab OBL?

You and I both know that there is no such thing as "perfect intelligence" and it doesn't matter who is doing the analysis.

My point is, if the Clinton administration KNEW about 9/11, where was the plan to prevent it, where was the hue and cry from the MSM warning that it would happen? You keep saying Bush was "clueless" and my point is, so was everyone else, including the previous administration. I don't think ANYONE could conceive of the plot hatched except the terrorists themselves.
 
You and I both know that there is no such thing as "perfect intelligence" and it doesn't matter who is doing the analysis.

My point is, if the Clinton administration KNEW about 9/11, where was the plan to prevent it, where was the hue and cry from the MSM warning that it would happen? You keep saying Bush was "clueless" and my point is, so was everyone else, including the previous administration. I don't think ANYONE could conceive of the plot hatched except the terrorists themselves.

they did not want to pick up Atta and Co because they did not want to seem to guilty of racial profiling
 
You and I both know that there is no such thing as "perfect intelligence" and it doesn't matter who is doing the analysis.

My point is, if the Clinton administration KNEW about 9/11, where was the plan to prevent it, where was the hue and cry from the MSM warning that it would happen? You keep saying Bush was "clueless" and my point is, so was everyone else, including the previous administration. I don't think ANYONE could conceive of the plot hatched except the terrorists themselves.

and my point was: Clinton paid more attention to islamic terrorism than Bush did.

Bush was on the job for nearly nine months before 9/11 and his administration's inattention to islamic terrorism relative to Clinton's is a matter of record and of fact.
 
and if you are referring to Clinton supposedly turning down the Somali offer in the spring of '96 to hand over OBL.... that has been disproven a thousand times over...but if you want to try your hand....please show me what evidence we had in may of '96 that would have allowed us to legally take custody of a foreign national (OBL) on foreign soil (Somalia) and incarcerate him.

The fact of the matter is: America did not know enough about OBL to take custody of him until after he had switched his base of operations to Afghanistan.... Clinton tried to get him there.... Bush STOPPED the predator drone surveillance of OBL shortly after he took office and had he continued it, we might very well have had a chance to take him out prior to 9/11.... but then, we all know what Bush's priorities were vis a vis islamic terrorism....

it was so "last century" to him.
 
and my point was: Clinton paid more attention to islamic terrorism than Bush did.

Bush was on the job for nearly nine months before 9/11 and his administration's inattention to islamic terrorism relative to Clinton's is a matter of record and of fact.

So Clinton's attention to terrorismn was ineffective...I'll buy that... and he had 8 years to change that but did not...
 
So Clinton's attention to terrorismn was ineffective...I'll buy that... and he had 8 years to change that but did not...

as effective, if not moreso, than Bush's...

and again.... you republicans have got to let the whole blame Clinton mantra go.... your boy has been on the job for six plus years. It really is time for the buck to stop at his desk now. 9/11 happened on HIS watch.... the Iraq war has turned into a quagmire on HIS watch.... blaming Clinton for this mess is really getting old and tired.... and not many Americans are buying it anymore.

Come on...step up... be responsible adults. Quit blaming others for your own failings.
 
and if you are referring to Clinton supposedly turning down the Somali offer in the spring of '96 to hand over OBL.... that has been disproven a thousand times over...but if you want to try your hand....please show me what evidence we had in may of '96 that would have allowed us to legally take custody of a foreign national (OBL) on foreign soil (Somalia) and incarcerate him.

"Legal Custody"??? I guess we could say the same about Bush trying to apprehend OBL...


The fact of the matter is: America did not know enough about OBL to take custody of him until after he had switched his base of operations to Afghanistan.... Clinton tried to get him there.... Bush STOPPED the predator drone surveillance of OBL shortly after he took office and had he continued it, we might very well have had a chance to take him out prior to 9/11 I guess the legalities go away for Bush, but are a convenient excuse for Clinton.... but then, we all know what Bush's priorities were vis a vis islamic terrorism.... yep...and we know what Clinton's priorities were too...(rhetoric for rhetoric seems fair to me!)
it was so "last century" to him.

How can you say that Clinto had no legal grounds for addressing OBL and then say the Bush could have taken him out prior to 9/11? This is the kind of stuff that makes me view your posts with such great skepticism.

The truth of the matter is, neither administration viewed OBL as a top priority (for whatever reason) until AFTER 9/11. As I said, hindsight is always 20/20. Prophecy is not quite as clear!
 
How can you say that Clinto had no legal grounds for addressing OBL and then say the Bush could have taken him out prior to 9/11? This is the kind of stuff that makes me view your posts with such great skepticism.

The truth of the matter is, neither administration viewed OBL as a top priority (for whatever reason) until AFTER 9/11. As I said, hindsight is always 20/20. Prophecy is not quite as clear!


I said: we did not know enough about OBL PRIOR TO MAY OF '96 WHEN HE LEFT THE SUDAN FOR AFGHANISTAN to take custody of him. We certainly found out many things about him after that time. Subsequent to our finding additional information out, Clinton TRIED to take him out. That is a fact. Bush DID stop predator overflights looking for OBL that had been set up by Clinton soon after the Bush administration came into office. THAT is also a fact.
 
I said: we did not know enough about OBL PRIOR TO MAY OF '96 WHEN HE LEFT THE SUDAN FOR AFGHANISTAN to take custody of him. We certainly found out many things about him after that time. Subsequent to our finding additional information out, Clinton TRIED to take him out. That is a fact. Bush DID stop predator overflights looking for OBL that had been set up by Clinton soon after the Bush administration came into office. THAT is also a fact.

Then why did not Clinton take him out when he was in Afghanistan? He had opportunity then:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4540958/

http://www.infowars.com/saved pages/Prior_Knowledge/Clinton_let_bin_laden.htm

and many many more...
 

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