The Big Idea--Small Town Nukes

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    This article in a recent national geographic was one of the most interesting I've read in a long time regarding nuclear power.

    The Big Idea - Small Town Nukes - National Geographic Magazine


    Simple solutions to big problems.

    Why is it that the government can't see past it's pie in the sky ultra-expensive so called green initiatives and do something that will actually work?
     
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    What you do not seem to understand because you blindly subscribe to the rampant misinformation regarding nuclear waste is that there really is very very little reactor fuel that cannot be recycled. But we here in the USA are so afraid of nuclear power that we have laws prohibiting the recycling of nuclear fuel.

    There Is No Such Thing as Nuclear Waste - WSJ.com
    We are operating under a delusion that is nearly 40 years old( probably older than you) and you are falling for it.

    And did you read the article where it mentioned the new Toshiba "nuclear battery" would last 30 years (a longer life span than fuel rods in large reactors) before needing to be refueled? Certainly waste is not the issue you believe it to be.

    I find it curious that people who want to look to the future and new technology ignore the advances in a proven, emission free power producing technology due to baseless fears that have been propagated for decades.
     
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    Consider the past of the nuclear industry. First, when I was young, they were promising us power so cheap that it would not have to be metered. Second, they stated that it was absolutely safe, that there was no way that it could fail.

    Nuclear turned out to be enormously expensive. And Three Mile Island was a very close thing. Most Americans have good reason to distrust anything this industry states.

    I am not against the nuclear power, but the people that are pushing it had better come up with prices that are reasonable, as compared to other sources of power.
     
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    So now price is an issue with you?

    Small nukes like the ones in the article would provide more reliable power than the acres of windmills and solar panels you seem to support and wouldn't clutter the landscape as they can be buried underground.

    And the endless referrals to TMI are getting tedious. These new reactors have as much in common with TMI as an orange does with an ostrich.

    And really, what's so great about wind power?

    Response: The myth of the Danish green energy ?miracle? - FP Comment



     
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    The small nukes are not presently operating anywhere in the world. So we have yet to see what the real cost is for them.

    Wind power is currently operating all over the world, and profitably in most places.

    Once again, the nuclear industry is promising pie in the sky. When it is delivered, then I will believe them. Until then, I have only past performance to go on. WHOOPS here in the Pacific Northwest is part of the performance. TMI on the East Coast is also. Consumers have long memories, ask GM.
     
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    Certainly not profitably for the Danish.

    And what about what wind power is costing the Brits?

    Christopher Booker's Notebook - Telegraph

    So it seems your concerns about the cost of nuclear as compared to wind should be put to rest.
     
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    Energy Tribune- Overblown: The Real Cost of Wind Power


    What a lovely sight. A big ugly windmill every few hundred feet as far as the eye can see.
    So less reliability and higher costs. Gotta love that wind power!

    Unreliable power and out of control government subsidies. Is that what you call profitable?

    The next bubble to burst will not be Wall Street's fault. The question is who will the government blame for the wind bubble?
     
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    This is a shameless bump but I want the pro wind people to refute the claims that nuclear power is cheaper than wind and that maybe we should be investing inthe implemantation of these new smaller nukes.

    http://www.usmessageboard.com/energy/115779-the-big-idea-small-town-nukes.html
     
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    This is the 1996 costs. Fossil fuel prices have gone up since then, and the alternatives have come down. This does not include geothermal, which may be the least expensive of all.

    http://www.pewclimate.org/docUploads/10-50_Hoffert.pdf

    Table 1
    Levelized Electricity Cost at Busbar (¢/kWe-hr) (1996)4
    Coal
    4.8 -5.5
    Gas
    3.9 -4.4
    Hydro
    5.1-11.3
    Biomass
    5.8-11.6
    Nuclear Fission
    11.1-14.5
    Wind (without federal production tax credit)
    4.0-6.0
    Wind (with federal production tax credit)
    3.3-5.3
     

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