The best way to stop Terrorism?

[dmp]

The 9/11 terrorists were Saudis trained in Afghanistan. And pssssssssst...the inspectors were on the ground and we responded to attacks planes appropriately.

And? What? What does the 11 Sep terrorists' nationality have to do with the price of a BJ in Thailand? Perhaps you are under the assumption those fockers are the ONLY terrorists in the world?

Just tell me HOW we responded to the firing at UN Aircraft by Saddam? You are pulling THAT one out of your arse, girly.

Afghanistan was an appropriate response, snooks. Iraq just made us the world's bullies and gave al queda a training ground and made us a good recruitment poster.

You're so pathetic - READ, girl. READ. Al Queda and Saddam DID have ties....As well as OTHER Terrorist groups. Pull your head out of your 4th point of contact for TEN MINUTES and Search. It's been discussed a lot.

And we've done such a good job of "showing them" that the Iraqi government wants to give amnesty to people who *only* kill our troops.
Wanna try again?

What does that even MEAN? Are you just randomly putting words in a sentence?

 

[Abbey Normal]

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Something tells me that the attack on Atocha and the attack on London would not had happend if US never attacked Afghanistan and Iraq.
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That "something" is called liberal, anti-American media bias. Try to resist.

So, did the 9/11 attack happen because we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq?

Welcome to the board!

 

[dmp]

I heard these arguments soo many times, and i wonder why you think in that way. By attack countries you really think people will love you and your country? can you give any example there that happend?
Okay over to the issue topic whatever.

I never said these terrorist seeks peace but what triggers people to be terrorist. And on the wider scale this can also be seen as more or less desperate way to keep its world power status who seem to be declining.

What triggers people to be terrorists? Their parents, probably. Sometimes it's because they are muslims who feel any NON-Muslim must die. In fact, one leads to the other. When the USA and Other freedom-loving people kill ENOUGH of the parents, and at times, their kids, Islamic Terror groups will cease their ability and desire to attack innocents.

And yes - By Attacking Afgahnistan and Iraq we've shown the world we'll do what it takes - we'll have the balls to stand up to terrorists and threats and unbridled crazy leaders who attempt to bully the world to submit to their beliefs. The difference between us and them is simple: We kick the ass of anyone who threatens us, and allow THEM to choose their next government. They attack our kids and mothers and sisters and civilians in the name of Allah.

USA show Terrorists that some attacks may cause america to thin its resources even more, How much longer could you keep this going?
And do you blame the Anthrax thing on terrorists too?

We will keep this going as long as it takes - or until a spineless USA President gets elected. Then, we'll stop hunting and killing terrorists. The Terrorists will re-group then, and fly MORE jets into our office buildings. Then, the spineless president will slap their wrist. Seeing America 'blink', MORE terror groups will attack - and will KEEP attacking until the world accepts Islam, or dies.

That's what would happen. Surely.

What anthrax thing?

 

[Relay]

Our goal is not to try to be loved by everyone around the world, if it was we would bend over and let terrorist rape us. Our "goal" is to fight tyranny. We know that will piss off alot of people, especially in the middle east and socialist/communist societies.


The Quran is a pretty big trigger.

So you see it as a religous war then??
And how many communist states can you find today who could threat USA?

By the way by folow good examples USA could lead the world in a better way, now even Putin lecture your leader in the latest G8 meeting. They talked about Bush as a lame duck in my newspapers, sad and tragic in someway even if i never liked him and his black and white vision of the world.
Simply you never stop terrorist by attacking countries, many people do see USA as a giant terrorist today, and i can in some way understand them.

 

[shepherdboy]

When are people gonna realize that "FREEDOM" is not free! There is only one currency that it accepts and sadly thats blood. Mankind is a waring creature of destruction. History will back that statement. Although we might want peace from time to time its the rebellion and hatred that dwells in all our hearts. Not to turn this into a religious discussion, but peace will only come with the return of Christ and Judgment day. Until then it will go on and on with war and disputes of all kind. Try as he might, mankind will continue to fight with himself over wealth, idea's, religions, culture, you name it. It our nature to do so. If you don't agree, then you missed the entire history of the world and all the conflicts man has brought to himself.

 

[Relay]

dmp

What triggers people to be terrorists? Their parents, probably. Sometimes it's because they are muslims who feel any NON-Muslim must die. In fact, one leads to the other.

So you think it is a muslims very nature to commit terrorist actions against everything in the western world? And my second question is why didnt they fly in planes into american buildings before 2001? Islam have existed in over one thousand years and USA have only existed in about 170 years. So you see it as a thing destined to happend?

Then, the spineless president will slap their wrist. Seeing America 'blink', MORE terror groups will attack - and will KEEP attacking until the world accepts Islam, or dies.

I know many moderate muslims who dont care so very much about Religion. And was Timothy Mchveigh a Muslim??

The difference between us and them is simple: We kick the ass of anyone who threatens us, and allow THEM to choose their next government.

Well what good will it do to introduce the american form of Democracy? Is it not better to let them reform their own country without having a gun aimed at them??

What anthrax thing?

A few months after WTC it was something in the news that people died of Anthrax in letters i think.

 

[Semper Fi]

dmp

So you think it is a muslims very nature to commit terrorist actions against everything in the western world? And my second question is why didnt they fly in planes into american buildings before 2001? Islam have existed in over one thousand years and USA have only existed in about 170 years. So you see it as a thing destined to happend?



I know many moderate muslims who dont care so very much about Religion. And was Timothy Mchveigh a Muslim??


Well what good will it do to introduce the american form of Democracy? Is it not better to let them reform their own country without having a gun aimed at them??



A few months after WTC it was something in the news that people died of Anthrax in letters i think.

This past July 4th marks 240 years, not 170. I see mulsim aggression as a thing destined to happen...I also think that US response to muslim aggression on Sept. 11th was destined to happen.

Timothy McVeigh wasn't a muslim, he was a fanatical fascist. We dont like those, either.

American democracy has lasted the 240 years which we have been a nation (or, 170 if you're from Europe ), because the Consitution lives and breathes and changes as the nation lives and breathes and changes. And no, it's better to have a gun pointed at them. If what I was taught in school was correct, Hitler rose to power in Germany much like a dictator could have risen to power in Iraq--by promising a brighter future and telling the people exactly what they wanted to hear.

There was anthrax stuff going on. I was in 6th grade at that time, and didnt follow the news too closely so I wouldnt know too much about that.

 

[Relay]

If what I was taught in school was correct, Hitler rose to power in Germany much like a dictator could have risen to power in Iraq--by promising a brighter future and telling the people exactly what they wanted to hear.

Is it not this who made Bush to win too? And when a country a blamed for a war they didnt started and are treated very unfairly, they tend to listen to just the persons like Hitler. And i can advice you to read more about the pre nazi period between 1921 to 1929

 

[dmp]

Is it not this who made Bush to win too? And when a country a blamed for a war they didnt started and are treated very unfairly, they tend to listen to just the persons like Hitler. And i can advice you to read more about the pre nazi period between 1921 to 1929

No, that's now How GWB won the elections. Just how uneducated ARE you, brother?

 

[Relay]

No, that's now How GWB won the elections. Just how uneducated ARE you, brother?

It could be that i know your country better than you know my country so leave that, you start to take this to a personal level.

 

[Semper Fi]

Is it not this who made Bush to win too? And when a country a blamed for a war they didnt started and are treated very unfairly, they tend to listen to just the persons like Hitler. And i can advice you to read more about the pre nazi period between 1921 to 1929

No, Bush won because the American people noticed he had the crotch to deal with things like 9/11. It is because of your second sentence we are still there, to ensure people like Hitler dont rise to power. I can advise you to read more non-left wing news articles.

 

[dmp]

It could be that i know your country better than you know my country so leave that, you start to take this to a personal level.

No ya don't. How is asking about your education taking it more personal than you comparing Americans to those of willing citizens of Nazi germany?

 

[Relay]

No, Bush won because the American people noticed he had the crotch to deal with things like 9/11. It is because of your second sentence we are still there, to ensure people like Hitler dont rise to power. I can advise you to read more non-left wing news articles.

All politicians want to be elected and use promised to the people. And it is nothing strange to that. And Bush won beacuse he said things people wanted to hear, just like Hitler.

 

[Relay]

No ya don't. How is asking about your education taking it more personal than you comparing Americans to those of willing citizens of Nazi germany?

So you think the people in Germany are so different from yours then??

 

[PsuedoGhost]

You mean like those South and Central American dictators that were surruptiously supported by the US? You mean like Saudi Arabia? You mean like Diem's South Vietnam? You mean like Noriega in Panama? You mean like Batista in Cuba? You mean like Saddam when he was fighting Iran? Yeah, the US's goal is to fight tyranny....sigh...

I like how they conveniently skipped over this nugget of truth.

Relay has hit it spot on though. There is no large difference between people now and the people in the pre-Nazi days in Germany. Given a charismatic enough leader, one who preaches hope and possibility, people will follow him to their death. Hitler was able to revitalize the German spirit. Who cared if he was psychotic. Someone could, not as easily, do the same here.

 

[Semper Fi]

I like how they conveniently skipped over this nugget of truth.

Relay has hit it spot on though. There is no large difference between people now and the people in the pre-Nazi days in Germany. Given a charismatic enough leader, one who preaches hope and possibility, people will follow him to their death. Hitler was able to revitalize the German spirit. Who cared if he was psychotic. Someone could, not as easily, do the same here.

I disagree. People today are much more skeptical over everything that anyone says or does. There's no way someone could say something and people just listen, no sir (or ma'am ) it would be put under a microscope and the person attacked, regardless of what they were promising.

 

[Relay]

Semper
of course they use more sophisticated methods these days to convince you, than in the days of Hitler.

 

[PsuedoGhost]

I disagree. People today are much more skeptical over everything that anyone says or does. There's no way someone could say something and people just listen, no sir (or ma'am ) it would be put under a microscope and the person attacked, regardless of what they were promising.

I know, I'm going to stir up a shit storm with this comment, but it must be said.

What about the yellow-cake allegations? Everyone took that one pretty hook line and sinker when Bush said it.

 

[Gem]

Which is good...considering that:

1) Wilsons report has been fairly debunked as poorly researched.

2) The Bush Adminstration has never backed down from their intel that Iraq was interested in trade with Niger

3) The Brits have never backed down from their intel saying the same thing

4) Intel gathered from Iraq by Coalition forces has also confirmed claims that Saddam was talking with Niger

 

[Gunny]

This is my first thread as a new member, and i hope it is okay for anyone outside USA to debate in this forum? Anyway i may not share many of your values, i am from Europe so Europe is my first priority.
Lets to to the topic

On 11 sept something very horrible happend for most americans two planes flied into the WTC towers. and one plane plowed part of Pentagon and a fourth krashlanded before it could plow into anything. I will leave the history teacheing about European domnestic terrorism from ETA to Red brigades in this thread beacuse i hope most you know about that, if not it is a great pity.

American retaliation hitted Afghanistan first and still US actions was legimited. Then Iraq had to feel the power of American determination, and it was here everything started to go wrong in my point of view. The world today feels more unsafe than before the Iraq attack. The region seems to be very unstable, and Iran have strenghtned its positions there. I think it should exist a better way to stop terrorism than by weapon and wars.

I dont have any clear answer to this but it would be interesting to hear other people opnions about this, thats why i started this thread.

Hunt down and kill each and every terrorist. That is about the only way.