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Kagom said:Why am I arguing? Because it adds spice to life and I want to be a politician some day after attempting a film career. I need to know how the opposition will think and how to talk with them.
musicman said:Well, let's see. First, there's the fact that - while homosexuals comprise only 1-3% of the population, they account for a staggering 20-40% of all child molestations. This doesn't suggest something disturbing about the behavior to you?
MissileMan said:Are you going to drag this out AGAIN? You can say it all day long, but no matter how many times you say it, it still doesn't mean that 20-40% of homosexuals are pedophiles. You continually choose to ignore the possible factors for the discrepancy and instead blindly, and fallaciously, suggest a link between homosexuality and pedophilia. You ignore the fact that within your own numbers lies the possibility that the ratio of homosexual pedophiles to homosexuals is nearly the same as the ratio of heterosexual pedophiles to heterosexuals. You ignore the fact that 60-80% of child molestations are committed by heterosexuals and instead keep using this same stale argument to berate homosexuals, among whom the vast majority have no interest in having sex with children.
Pale Rider said:Let me take a stab at this... since I understand what musicman is saying and you don't.
OK... queers make up somewhere in the neighborhood of 4% of the population, the rest being heterosexual. But, now here is where you have to follow closely, 20-40% of all "reported" pedophile molestations are commited by homo's. Did you get that? What that means is, the very small percentage of queers is doing one hellofva job feeling up little kids. It's puts the number of pedophiles among queers at VERY HIGH NUMBER. What is so hard to understand about that math? Which also makes proves that a homo is MUCH more likely to be a pedophile. I'm mean why not? They're sick already. The jump to pedophilia is nothing when already sick in the head.
If they don't think that what they're doing as a queer is wrong, then why should they think that molesting a child is wrong?
Kagom said:I was here a few years back and joined because I thought "Oh look, a board for Americans. I'm American!"
Why am I arguing? Because it adds spice to life and I want to be a politician some day after attempting a film career. I need to know how the opposition will think and how to talk with them.
I don't discuss my sexual life at all. I bring up my orientation to show diversity here. My only reason for being here is because I don't want to be a victim to group polarization as so many are wont to do in certain issues. What am I going to gain from talking about homosexuality with fellow homosexuals? Nothing. It's bland and just makes me go "Yay...even happier now." It doesn't challenge me to think and it doesn't challenge me to do any research or evaluate.
MissileMan said:Take a stab at what? You just repeated (almost word for word) what MM wrote. You are as adept at ignoring as he is. Reread my post and try again.
MissileMan said:Are you going to drag this out AGAIN?
MissileMan said:You can say it all day long, but no matter how many times you say it, it still doesn't mean that 20-40% of homosexuals are pedophiles.
MissileMan said:You continually choose to ignore the possible factors for the discrepancy and instead blindly, and fallaciously, suggest a link between homosexuality and pedophilia.
MissileMan said:You ignore the fact that within your own numbers lies the possibility that the ratio of homosexual pedophiles to homosexuals is nearly the same as the ratio of heterosexual pedophiles to heterosexuals.
MissileMan said:You ignore the fact that 60-80% of child molestations are committed by heterosexuals
MissileMan said:and instead keep using this same stale argument to berate homosexuals
This is where you misinterpret all my plans. I could care less about the gays in Cali. I want an acting career. I want to make people laugh, I want to make people cry, I want people to smile. That's the core at my ambition of acting. To entertain people. Don't ever misconstrue my dreams and ambitions with anything outside of what they are.Pale Rider said:I just CAN-NOT let this pass. What you've just said is SOOOOO TELLING! I can see why you want to go to hollywierd, there's more fags there than there is straights, and the straights that are there gleefully embrace your deviant lifestyle. And be a politician... yup, if you can't change my mind about fag's, you'll just go to Washington and make LAWS that will change my mind.
Scarey kag.... scarey.
Then that's your highest good. I disagree with it simply because it's agression and violence filled and in the end, it solves nothing.rtwngAvngr said:Your postmodernist interpretation of reality makes you an idiot. What if in my idiosyncratically constructed universe, kicking your ass is the highest good? Does that REALLY make it right? You will never be elected until you learn to think clearly.
Kagom said:Then that's your highest good. I disagree with it simply because it's agression and violence filled and in the end, it solves nothing.
I feel that I think clearly and can only get better at thinking more clearly as time progresses.
If you read anything I posted in response to Pale Rider, you'd see that I"m somewhat pulling a FDR and having my own version of the Brain Trust. Have diverse advisors and then put your own opinion into the arena and try to decide what will serve for the betterment of the people. I don't see Republicans in office for that long. People seem to be tired of them (just going on what I see in people around me, etc.) and will probably switch over. Then the cycle will repeat with people being tired of Democrats and switching back to Republicans.rtwngAvngr said:WOw. Looking forward i see republicans in office for years to come. Keep up the insanity, really it's serving you well.
musicman said:That's why I didn't say that 20-40% of homosexuals are pedophiles.
musicman said:No, I don't. The numbers say what they say. It is up to sane human beings to draw the appropriate conclusions from them.
Kagom said:If you read anything I posted in response to Pale Rider, you'd see that I"m somewhat pulling a FDR and having my own version of the Brain Trust. Have diverse advisors and then put your own opinion into the arena and try to decide what will serve for the betterment of the people. I don't see Republicans in office for that long. People seem to be tired of them (just going on what I see in people around me, etc.) and will probably switch over. Then the cycle will repeat with people being tired of Democrats and switching back to Republicans.
Hey man, thanks for having no faith at all in anything a person can do. You don't know what I'm talking about, do you? My thoughts lie on bettering the lives of people and not my own or lining my wallet with cash. I genuinely want to see an America where people can at least feel safe outside and where they know they can get a quality education, an America where people treat each other fairly and find a way to put down most misconceptions about each other and hate towards their fellow man. I want an America that gets to see peace and is looked up to again as the beacon of light. Tell me, if having a brain trust of sorts is able to accomplish that, though you misconstrue my agenda as moral relativism, is there anything wrong with trying to aim for that idealistic America? I look at the consequences of things and consider them. In my view, it's not moral relativism simply because I'm going with the more positive consequence that will affect people positively. If two negatives come up, I'll go with the lesser of the two evils. My universal truths and morals are going to be the same in some areas with yours and different in others, but I think you'll be surprised to see how much might just coincide with your thinking.rtwngAvngr said:Moral relativism is a lie designed to justify evil. Keep it up, you will destroy the world.
MissileMan said:What percentage of homosexuals are pedophiles then? What percentage of heterosexuals are? Use an honest comparison. Those with an anti-gay agenda have to resort to twisting the numbers because the facts don't bear out what they want the truth to be. They can't say "homosexuals are x times more likely to be pedophiles" because it's not true. I assure you they would word it exactly that way if they could. Instead they throw out information like you posted and depend on a mis-interpretation of the data to further their cause.
If you're not ignoring the possibilities, what would you call it? Arbitrary dismissal perhaps?
musicman said:In the simple, provable statement, "Although homosexuals comprise only 1-3% of the population, they account for a staggering 20-40% of all child molestations", I honestly don't see much in the way of twisting or misinterpretation. Rather, it seems to be YOU who are bound up in pretzel-eights - throwing out every lame rationalization you can think of in an attempt to explain away a truth you don't like. It remains, though. The truth is stubborn that way.
MissileMan said:So you are opposed to an honest comparison. Guess we'll end it there.
musicman said:Do whatever you think is best, MissileMan. Put the finest evening gown money can buy on this malodorous pig. Bring up the concept of the homosexual super-predator, for like the 478th time - as if that monster, if he exists, somehow puts a better face on homosexual culpability in this matter. Doesn't even the idea that a child molestor is many times more prolific SOLELY ON THE BASIS OF HIS HOMOSEXUALITY suggest something disturbing about the behavior to you? Are you willfully deaf AND blind?
However you choose to attack the facts, do keep in mind that what you are trying to explain away is no mere "discrepancy". The numbers are at WILD VARIANCE. The difference is EXPONENTIAL. So, tell me, sir - why is society unreasonable in considering homosexuality a danger? Enlighten us. Free us from our ignorant superstitions.
Kagom said:Hey man, thanks for having no faith at all in anything a person can do. You don't know what I'm talking about, do you? My thoughts lie on bettering the lives of people and not my own or lining my wallet with cash. I genuinely want to see an America where people can at least feel safe outside and where they know they can get a quality education, an America where people treat each other fairly and find a way to put down most misconceptions about each other and hate towards their fellow man. I want an America that gets to see peace and is looked up to again as the beacon of light. Tell me, if having a brain trust of sorts is able to accomplish that, though you misconstrue my agenda as moral relativism, is there anything wrong with trying to aim for that idealistic America? I look at the consequences of things and consider them. In my view, it's not moral relativism simply because I'm going with the more positive consequence that will affect people positively. If two negatives come up, I'll go with the lesser of the two evils. My universal truths and morals are going to be the same in some areas with yours and different in others, but I think you'll be surprised to see how much might just coincide with your thinking.
