The Balfour Declaration

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  1. Shusha
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    Since this is going to come up in the next few weeks with the 100th anniversary, I figured we should start a thread on it.

    The relevant text, for reference:

    "His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."


    I'm going to contrast that declaration with Article 2 of the UNGA 1514 of 14 December 1960

    2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
     
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    Unless they happen to live in Gaza, where israel enforces a blockade
     
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    What part of "it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine" is so difficult to understand and how could it have been written any more clearly?
     
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    Well, when the zionist plan is fulfilled there will be no "non-Jewish communities" existing
     
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    The people with the bigger army and better weapons are the ones who get to say their God mandated them that land, as has always been the case over there.
     
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    For clarification, then, you support the concepts articulated in the Balfour Declaration, you just don't think it was implemented correctly.
     
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    Answer my questions first as this is your thread. What part of the direct quote is so difficult to understand and how could it have been written any more clearly?
     
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    And to this end Declares that:

    1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

    2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

    3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

    4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

    5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

    6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

    7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity.
    The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration
     
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    Rather than see the Balfour Declaration as a commitment to Jewish self-determination, Black frames it as the origin of a conflict and the end of Palestinian aspirations.

    In reality, it was not the Balfour Declaration that brought about the situation of today’s Palestinians or even those from 1948. Palestinian and Arab rejectionism has thwarted all attempts over the years to reach an amicable arrangement that could have seen a Palestinian state co-existing side by side with a Jewish one.

    (full article online)

    Balfour Declaration: Haters Declare War | HonestReporting
     
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    So where's the contrast, and um, you do realize a condition of war still exists between Israel and much of the Arab population both inside and surrounding Isreal ?

    Thats why the Geneva Conventions apply and why there is still martial law in certain areas of Israel.

    Since its the 100th anniversary; why don't we ask a few relevant questions. Like, why hasn't the UN segregated combatants and the descendants of combatants as well as those who assist combatants from the legitimate refugee population ????

    Now there's a good place to begin the end of this mess
     

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