The argument is not just about slavery

[IM2]

I think this is done here on purpose. The argument being made by blacks here do not end with slavery. There was a 100 year span of time where things went on that impacts life today. So if you can recognize how the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution impacts our lives today, the excuse of that was in the past has no merit in this discussion. In that 100 years after slavery, blacks experienced terrorism of all kinds.

A vast wealth gap, driven by segregation, redlining, evictions and exclusion, separates black and white America
By Trymaine Lee AUG. 14, 2019

Elmore Bolling, whose brothers called him Buddy, was a kind of one-man economy in Lowndesboro, Ala. He leased a plantation, where he had a general store with a gas station out front and a catering business; he grew cotton, corn and sugar cane. He also owned a small fleet of trucks that ran livestock and made deliveries between Lowndesboro and Montgomery. At his peak, Bolling employed as many as 40 people, all of them black like him.

One December day in 1947, a group of white men showed up along a stretch of Highway 80 just yards from Bolling’s home and store, where he lived with his wife, Bertha Mae, and their seven young children. The men confronted him on a section of road he had helped lay and shot him seven times — six times with a pistol and once with a shotgun blast to the back. His family rushed from the store to find him lying dead in a ditch.

The shooters didn’t even cover their faces; they didn’t need to. Everyone knew who had done it and why. “He was too successful to be a Negro,” someone who knew Bolling told a newspaper at the time. When Bolling was killed, his family estimates he had as much as $40,000 in the bank and more than $5,000 in assets, about $500,000 in today’s dollars. But within months of his murder nearly all of it would be gone. White creditors and people posing as creditors took the money the family got from the sale of their trucks and cattle. They even staked claims on what was left of the family’s savings. The jobs that he provided were gone, too. Almost overnight the Bollings went from prosperity to poverty. Bertha Mae found work at a dry cleaner. The older children dropped out of school to help support the family. Within two years, the Bollings fled Lowndes County, fearing for their lives.

The period that followed the Civil War was one of economic terror and wealth-stripping that has left black people at lasting economic disadvantage. White Americans have seven times the wealth of black Americans on average. Though black people make up nearly 13 percent of the United States population, they hold less than 3 percent of the nation’s total wealth. The median family wealth for white people is $171,000, compared with just $17,600 for black people. It is worse on the margins. According to the Economic Policy Institute, 19 percent of black households have zero or negative net worth. Just 9 percent of white families are that poor.

Today’s racial wealth gap is perhaps the most glaring legacy of American slavery and the violent economic dispossession that followed. The fate suffered by Elmore Bolling and his family was not unique to them, or to Jim Crow Alabama. It was part of a much broader social and political campaign.

“The origins of the racial wealth gap start with the failure to provide the formerly enslaved with the land grants of 40 acres,” says William A. Darity Jr., a professor of public policy and African-American studies at Duke University. Any financial progress that black people made was regarded as an affront to white supremacy. After a decade of black gains under Reconstruction, a much longer period of racial violence would wipe nearly all of it away.

Seventy years later, the effects of Bolling’s murder are still felt by his children and their children. “There was no inheritance, nothing for my father to pass down, because it was all taken away,” says Josephine Bolling McCall...

How America’s Vast Racial Wealth Gap Grew: By Plunder

 

[miketx]

We don't have slavery here. Move to Africa or the middle east where they do have it so you can be the slave you want to be.

 

[Meathead]

I think this is done here on purpose. The argument being made by blacks here do not end with slavery. There was a 100 year span of time where things went on that impacts life today. So if you can recognize how the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution impacts our lives today, the excuse of that was in the past has no merit in this discussion. In that 100 years after slavery, blacks experienced terrorism of all kinds.

A vast wealth gap, driven by segregation, redlining, evictions and exclusion, separates black and white America
By Trymaine Lee AUG. 14, 2019

Elmore Bolling, whose brothers called him Buddy, was a kind of one-man economy in Lowndesboro, Ala. He leased a plantation, where he had a general store with a gas station out front and a catering business; he grew cotton, corn and sugar cane. He also owned a small fleet of trucks that ran livestock and made deliveries between Lowndesboro and Montgomery. At his peak, Bolling employed as many as 40 people, all of them black like him.

One December day in 1947, a group of white men showed up along a stretch of Highway 80 just yards from Bolling’s home and store, where he lived with his wife, Bertha Mae, and their seven young children. The men confronted him on a section of road he had helped lay and shot him seven times — six times with a pistol and once with a shotgun blast to the back. His family rushed from the store to find him lying dead in a ditch.

The shooters didn’t even cover their faces; they didn’t need to. Everyone knew who had done it and why. “He was too successful to be a Negro,” someone who knew Bolling told a newspaper at the time. When Bolling was killed, his family estimates he had as much as $40,000 in the bank and more than $5,000 in assets, about $500,000 in today’s dollars. But within months of his murder nearly all of it would be gone. White creditors and people posing as creditors took the money the family got from the sale of their trucks and cattle. They even staked claims on what was left of the family’s savings. The jobs that he provided were gone, too. Almost overnight the Bollings went from prosperity to poverty. Bertha Mae found work at a dry cleaner. The older children dropped out of school to help support the family. Within two years, the Bollings fled Lowndes County, fearing for their lives.

The period that followed the Civil War was one of economic terror and wealth-stripping that has left black people at lasting economic disadvantage. White Americans have seven times the wealth of black Americans on average. Though black people make up nearly 13 percent of the United States population, they hold less than 3 percent of the nation’s total wealth. The median family wealth for white people is $171,000, compared with just $17,600 for black people. It is worse on the margins. According to the Economic Policy Institute, 19 percent of black households have zero or negative net worth. Just 9 percent of white families are that poor.

Today’s racial wealth gap is perhaps the most glaring legacy of American slavery and the violent economic dispossession that followed. The fate suffered by Elmore Bolling and his family was not unique to them, or to Jim Crow Alabama. It was part of a much broader social and political campaign.

“The origins of the racial wealth gap start with the failure to provide the formerly enslaved with the land grants of 40 acres,” says William A. Darity Jr., a professor of public policy and African-American studies at Duke University. Any financial progress that black people made was regarded as an affront to white supremacy. After a decade of black gains under Reconstruction, a much longer period of racial violence would wipe nearly all of it away.

Seventy years later, the effects of Bolling’s murder are still felt by his children and their children. “There was no inheritance, nothing for my father to pass down, because it was all taken away,” says Josephine Bolling McCall...

How America’s Vast Racial Wealth Gap Grew: By Plunder

Get a job.

Post on topic.

I thought the topic was slavery. You African brothers are being bought and sold in Africa. Go there, although presonally I wouldn't give a plug dinar for you.

 

[IM2]

I think this is done here on purpose. The argument being made by blacks here do not end with slavery. There was a 100 year span of time where things went on that impacts life today. So if you can recognize how the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution impacts our lives today, the excuse of that was in the past has no merit in this discussion. In that 100 years after slavery, blacks experienced terrorism of all kinds.

A vast wealth gap, driven by segregation, redlining, evictions and exclusion, separates black and white America
By Trymaine Lee AUG. 14, 2019

Elmore Bolling, whose brothers called him Buddy, was a kind of one-man economy in Lowndesboro, Ala. He leased a plantation, where he had a general store with a gas station out front and a catering business; he grew cotton, corn and sugar cane. He also owned a small fleet of trucks that ran livestock and made deliveries between Lowndesboro and Montgomery. At his peak, Bolling employed as many as 40 people, all of them black like him.

One December day in 1947, a group of white men showed up along a stretch of Highway 80 just yards from Bolling’s home and store, where he lived with his wife, Bertha Mae, and their seven young children. The men confronted him on a section of road he had helped lay and shot him seven times — six times with a pistol and once with a shotgun blast to the back. His family rushed from the store to find him lying dead in a ditch.

The shooters didn’t even cover their faces; they didn’t need to. Everyone knew who had done it and why. “He was too successful to be a Negro,” someone who knew Bolling told a newspaper at the time. When Bolling was killed, his family estimates he had as much as $40,000 in the bank and more than $5,000 in assets, about $500,000 in today’s dollars. But within months of his murder nearly all of it would be gone. White creditors and people posing as creditors took the money the family got from the sale of their trucks and cattle. They even staked claims on what was left of the family’s savings. The jobs that he provided were gone, too. Almost overnight the Bollings went from prosperity to poverty. Bertha Mae found work at a dry cleaner. The older children dropped out of school to help support the family. Within two years, the Bollings fled Lowndes County, fearing for their lives.

The period that followed the Civil War was one of economic terror and wealth-stripping that has left black people at lasting economic disadvantage. White Americans have seven times the wealth of black Americans on average. Though black people make up nearly 13 percent of the United States population, they hold less than 3 percent of the nation’s total wealth. The median family wealth for white people is $171,000, compared with just $17,600 for black people. It is worse on the margins. According to the Economic Policy Institute, 19 percent of black households have zero or negative net worth. Just 9 percent of white families are that poor.

Today’s racial wealth gap is perhaps the most glaring legacy of American slavery and the violent economic dispossession that followed. The fate suffered by Elmore Bolling and his family was not unique to them, or to Jim Crow Alabama. It was part of a much broader social and political campaign.

“The origins of the racial wealth gap start with the failure to provide the formerly enslaved with the land grants of 40 acres,” says William A. Darity Jr., a professor of public policy and African-American studies at Duke University. Any financial progress that black people made was regarded as an affront to white supremacy. After a decade of black gains under Reconstruction, a much longer period of racial violence would wipe nearly all of it away.

Seventy years later, the effects of Bolling’s murder are still felt by his children and their children. “There was no inheritance, nothing for my father to pass down, because it was all taken away,” says Josephine Bolling McCall...

How America’s Vast Racial Wealth Gap Grew: By Plunder

Get a job.

Post on topic.

I thought the topic was slavery. You African brothers are being bought and sold in Africa. Go there, although presonally I wouldn't give a plug dinar for you.

The argument is not just about slavery
Discussion in 'Race Relations/Racism' started by IM2, 37 minutes ago.

 

[miketx]

The argument is not just about slavery
Discussion in 'Race Relations/Racism' started by IM2, 37 minutes ago.

Topic #234 on this crap.

 

[flacaltenn]

I think this is done here on purpose. The argument being made by blacks here do not end with slavery. There was a 100 year span of time where things went on that impacts life today. So if you can recognize how the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution impacts our lives today, the excuse of that was in the past has no merit in this discussion. In that 100 years after slavery, blacks experienced terrorism of all kinds.

A vast wealth gap, driven by segregation, redlining, evictions and exclusion, separates black and white America
By Trymaine Lee AUG. 14, 2019

Elmore Bolling, whose brothers called him Buddy, was a kind of one-man economy in Lowndesboro, Ala. He leased a plantation, where he had a general store with a gas station out front and a catering business; he grew cotton, corn and sugar cane. He also owned a small fleet of trucks that ran livestock and made deliveries between Lowndesboro and Montgomery. At his peak, Bolling employed as many as 40 people, all of them black like him.

One December day in 1947, a group of white men showed up along a stretch of Highway 80 just yards from Bolling’s home and store, where he lived with his wife, Bertha Mae, and their seven young children. The men confronted him on a section of road he had helped lay and shot him seven times — six times with a pistol and once with a shotgun blast to the back. His family rushed from the store to find him lying dead in a ditch.

The shooters didn’t even cover their faces; they didn’t need to. Everyone knew who had done it and why. “He was too successful to be a Negro,” someone who knew Bolling told a newspaper at the time. When Bolling was killed, his family estimates he had as much as $40,000 in the bank and more than $5,000 in assets, about $500,000 in today’s dollars. But within months of his murder nearly all of it would be gone. White creditors and people posing as creditors took the money the family got from the sale of their trucks and cattle. They even staked claims on what was left of the family’s savings. The jobs that he provided were gone, too. Almost overnight the Bollings went from prosperity to poverty. Bertha Mae found work at a dry cleaner. The older children dropped out of school to help support the family. Within two years, the Bollings fled Lowndes County, fearing for their lives.

The period that followed the Civil War was one of economic terror and wealth-stripping that has left black people at lasting economic disadvantage. White Americans have seven times the wealth of black Americans on average. Though black people make up nearly 13 percent of the United States population, they hold less than 3 percent of the nation’s total wealth. The median family wealth for white people is $171,000, compared with just $17,600 for black people. It is worse on the margins. According to the Economic Policy Institute, 19 percent of black households have zero or negative net worth. Just 9 percent of white families are that poor.

Today’s racial wealth gap is perhaps the most glaring legacy of American slavery and the violent economic dispossession that followed. The fate suffered by Elmore Bolling and his family was not unique to them, or to Jim Crow Alabama. It was part of a much broader social and political campaign.

“The origins of the racial wealth gap start with the failure to provide the formerly enslaved with the land grants of 40 acres,” says William A. Darity Jr., a professor of public policy and African-American studies at Duke University. Any financial progress that black people made was regarded as an affront to white supremacy. After a decade of black gains under Reconstruction, a much longer period of racial violence would wipe nearly all of it away.

Seventy years later, the effects of Bolling’s murder are still felt by his children and their children. “There was no inheritance, nothing for my father to pass down, because it was all taken away,” says Josephine Bolling McCall...

How America’s Vast Racial Wealth Gap Grew: By Plunder

When the LAW doesn't work, it's always a problem.. Property rights are FUNDAMENTAL to Civil Liberties.. But Civil Liberties is a LARGER sphere than just property...

This is why economic freedoms are just as important as social freedoms.. Redlining is economic tyranny if there is no way around it... Doesn't matter how "free" you are socially if the govt is involved in hobbling you economically...

THe Bolling case couldn't happen today.. Couldn't happen for the past 40 years. But I'm wagering you're ALL FOR massive taxation and confiscatory death taxes on the rich -- am I CORRECT??

But in fact, that would HOBBLE successful black families the most.. That first generation wealth accumulation should NEVER be confiscated... Not from the William's sisters or Tiger Woods or Damon John or Charles Payne....

You love "death taxes" don'tcha?? They don't have to KILL anyone to rob their family's futures.....

 

[IM2]

I think this is done here on purpose. The argument being made by blacks here do not end with slavery. There was a 100 year span of time where things went on that impacts life today. So if you can recognize how the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution impacts our lives today, the excuse of that was in the past has no merit in this discussion. In that 100 years after slavery, blacks experienced terrorism of all kinds.

A vast wealth gap, driven by segregation, redlining, evictions and exclusion, separates black and white America
By Trymaine Lee AUG. 14, 2019

Elmore Bolling, whose brothers called him Buddy, was a kind of one-man economy in Lowndesboro, Ala. He leased a plantation, where he had a general store with a gas station out front and a catering business; he grew cotton, corn and sugar cane. He also owned a small fleet of trucks that ran livestock and made deliveries between Lowndesboro and Montgomery. At his peak, Bolling employed as many as 40 people, all of them black like him.

One December day in 1947, a group of white men showed up along a stretch of Highway 80 just yards from Bolling’s home and store, where he lived with his wife, Bertha Mae, and their seven young children. The men confronted him on a section of road he had helped lay and shot him seven times — six times with a pistol and once with a shotgun blast to the back. His family rushed from the store to find him lying dead in a ditch.

The shooters didn’t even cover their faces; they didn’t need to. Everyone knew who had done it and why. “He was too successful to be a Negro,” someone who knew Bolling told a newspaper at the time. When Bolling was killed, his family estimates he had as much as $40,000 in the bank and more than $5,000 in assets, about $500,000 in today’s dollars. But within months of his murder nearly all of it would be gone. White creditors and people posing as creditors took the money the family got from the sale of their trucks and cattle. They even staked claims on what was left of the family’s savings. The jobs that he provided were gone, too. Almost overnight the Bollings went from prosperity to poverty. Bertha Mae found work at a dry cleaner. The older children dropped out of school to help support the family. Within two years, the Bollings fled Lowndes County, fearing for their lives.

The period that followed the Civil War was one of economic terror and wealth-stripping that has left black people at lasting economic disadvantage. White Americans have seven times the wealth of black Americans on average. Though black people make up nearly 13 percent of the United States population, they hold less than 3 percent of the nation’s total wealth. The median family wealth for white people is $171,000, compared with just $17,600 for black people. It is worse on the margins. According to the Economic Policy Institute, 19 percent of black households have zero or negative net worth. Just 9 percent of white families are that poor.

Today’s racial wealth gap is perhaps the most glaring legacy of American slavery and the violent economic dispossession that followed. The fate suffered by Elmore Bolling and his family was not unique to them, or to Jim Crow Alabama. It was part of a much broader social and political campaign.

“The origins of the racial wealth gap start with the failure to provide the formerly enslaved with the land grants of 40 acres,” says William A. Darity Jr., a professor of public policy and African-American studies at Duke University. Any financial progress that black people made was regarded as an affront to white supremacy. After a decade of black gains under Reconstruction, a much longer period of racial violence would wipe nearly all of it away.

Seventy years later, the effects of Bolling’s murder are still felt by his children and their children. “There was no inheritance, nothing for my father to pass down, because it was all taken away,” says Josephine Bolling McCall...

How America’s Vast Racial Wealth Gap Grew: By Plunder

When the LAW doesn't work, it's always a problem.. Property rights are FUNDAMENTAL to Civil Liberties.. But Civil Liberties is a LARGER sphere than just property...

This is why economic freedoms are just as important as social freedoms.. Redlining is economic tyranny if there is no way around it... Doesn't matter how "free" you are socially if the govt is involved in hobbling you economically...

THe Bolling case couldn't happen today.. Couldn't happen for the past 40 years. But I'm wagering you're ALL FOR massive taxation and confiscatory death taxes on the rich -- am I CORRECT??

But in fact, that would HOBBLE successful black families the most.. That first generation wealth accumulation should NEVER be confiscated... Not from the William's sisters or Tiger Woods or Damon John or Charles Payne....

You love "death taxes" don'tcha?? They don't have to KILL anyone to rob their family's futures.....

The Bolling case could happen Flacaltenn. The government is not hobbling the rich.

 

[flacaltenn]

I think this is done here on purpose. The argument being made by blacks here do not end with slavery. There was a 100 year span of time where things went on that impacts life today. So if you can recognize how the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution impacts our lives today, the excuse of that was in the past has no merit in this discussion. In that 100 years after slavery, blacks experienced terrorism of all kinds.

A vast wealth gap, driven by segregation, redlining, evictions and exclusion, separates black and white America
By Trymaine Lee AUG. 14, 2019

Elmore Bolling, whose brothers called him Buddy, was a kind of one-man economy in Lowndesboro, Ala. He leased a plantation, where he had a general store with a gas station out front and a catering business; he grew cotton, corn and sugar cane. He also owned a small fleet of trucks that ran livestock and made deliveries between Lowndesboro and Montgomery. At his peak, Bolling employed as many as 40 people, all of them black like him.

One December day in 1947, a group of white men showed up along a stretch of Highway 80 just yards from Bolling’s home and store, where he lived with his wife, Bertha Mae, and their seven young children. The men confronted him on a section of road he had helped lay and shot him seven times — six times with a pistol and once with a shotgun blast to the back. His family rushed from the store to find him lying dead in a ditch.

The shooters didn’t even cover their faces; they didn’t need to. Everyone knew who had done it and why. “He was too successful to be a Negro,” someone who knew Bolling told a newspaper at the time. When Bolling was killed, his family estimates he had as much as $40,000 in the bank and more than $5,000 in assets, about $500,000 in today’s dollars. But within months of his murder nearly all of it would be gone. White creditors and people posing as creditors took the money the family got from the sale of their trucks and cattle. They even staked claims on what was left of the family’s savings. The jobs that he provided were gone, too. Almost overnight the Bollings went from prosperity to poverty. Bertha Mae found work at a dry cleaner. The older children dropped out of school to help support the family. Within two years, the Bollings fled Lowndes County, fearing for their lives.

The period that followed the Civil War was one of economic terror and wealth-stripping that has left black people at lasting economic disadvantage. White Americans have seven times the wealth of black Americans on average. Though black people make up nearly 13 percent of the United States population, they hold less than 3 percent of the nation’s total wealth. The median family wealth for white people is $171,000, compared with just $17,600 for black people. It is worse on the margins. According to the Economic Policy Institute, 19 percent of black households have zero or negative net worth. Just 9 percent of white families are that poor.

Today’s racial wealth gap is perhaps the most glaring legacy of American slavery and the violent economic dispossession that followed. The fate suffered by Elmore Bolling and his family was not unique to them, or to Jim Crow Alabama. It was part of a much broader social and political campaign.

“The origins of the racial wealth gap start with the failure to provide the formerly enslaved with the land grants of 40 acres,” says William A. Darity Jr., a professor of public policy and African-American studies at Duke University. Any financial progress that black people made was regarded as an affront to white supremacy. After a decade of black gains under Reconstruction, a much longer period of racial violence would wipe nearly all of it away.

Seventy years later, the effects of Bolling’s murder are still felt by his children and their children. “There was no inheritance, nothing for my father to pass down, because it was all taken away,” says Josephine Bolling McCall...

How America’s Vast Racial Wealth Gap Grew: By Plunder

When the LAW doesn't work, it's always a problem.. Property rights are FUNDAMENTAL to Civil Liberties.. But Civil Liberties is a LARGER sphere than just property...

This is why economic freedoms are just as important as social freedoms.. Redlining is economic tyranny if there is no way around it... Doesn't matter how "free" you are socially if the govt is involved in hobbling you economically...

THe Bolling case couldn't happen today.. Couldn't happen for the past 40 years. But I'm wagering you're ALL FOR massive taxation and confiscatory death taxes on the rich -- am I CORRECT??

But in fact, that would HOBBLE successful black families the most.. That first generation wealth accumulation should NEVER be confiscated... Not from the William's sisters or Tiger Woods or Damon John or Charles Payne....

You love "death taxes" don'tcha?? They don't have to KILL anyone to rob their family's futures.....

The Bolling case could happen Flacaltenn. The government is not hobbling the rich.

The fact you think it COULD happen means you have no confidence in the rule of law... I don't think it COULD happen without folks going to jail or the electric chair...

And if the Bolling guy suffered a NATURAL DEATH and the 20 socialist wannabees that are running for President got their way ---- they would FORCE successful black family estates to liquidate many of the money making assets to pay the 50% tax... Grandma's Steinway would be the 1st thing to go...

That's THEFT -- because they can... And black families would NEVER reach economic parity with those kind of ultra punitive measures. Maybe you should pay 1/2 as much as much attention to REAL CURRENT dangers as the ones you want to review from the past....

 

[Olde Europe]

The Bolling case could happen Flacaltenn. The government is not hobbling the rich.

The Bolling case (without killing off the head of the household) has happened, hundreds of thousands of times, during the run-up to the Great Recession, when criminal lenders specifically targeted blacks in black neighborhoods for predatory mortgages, shoving them into the subprime market, based on fine print no one understood. It's always those whose voices count least, in politics or before the courts, who are least able to fight back, who are the first victims of the vultures, back then as now. That's why the CFPB had to go, at least had to be emasculated, and is now headed by a lobbyist for the payday lending "industry", because no one stands in the way of the plutocratic vultures' financial interests.

 

[IM2]

I think this is done here on purpose. The argument being made by blacks here do not end with slavery. There was a 100 year span of time where things went on that impacts life today. So if you can recognize how the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution impacts our lives today, the excuse of that was in the past has no merit in this discussion. In that 100 years after slavery, blacks experienced terrorism of all kinds.

A vast wealth gap, driven by segregation, redlining, evictions and exclusion, separates black and white America
By Trymaine Lee AUG. 14, 2019

Elmore Bolling, whose brothers called him Buddy, was a kind of one-man economy in Lowndesboro, Ala. He leased a plantation, where he had a general store with a gas station out front and a catering business; he grew cotton, corn and sugar cane. He also owned a small fleet of trucks that ran livestock and made deliveries between Lowndesboro and Montgomery. At his peak, Bolling employed as many as 40 people, all of them black like him.

One December day in 1947, a group of white men showed up along a stretch of Highway 80 just yards from Bolling’s home and store, where he lived with his wife, Bertha Mae, and their seven young children. The men confronted him on a section of road he had helped lay and shot him seven times — six times with a pistol and once with a shotgun blast to the back. His family rushed from the store to find him lying dead in a ditch.

The shooters didn’t even cover their faces; they didn’t need to. Everyone knew who had done it and why. “He was too successful to be a Negro,” someone who knew Bolling told a newspaper at the time. When Bolling was killed, his family estimates he had as much as $40,000 in the bank and more than $5,000 in assets, about $500,000 in today’s dollars. But within months of his murder nearly all of it would be gone. White creditors and people posing as creditors took the money the family got from the sale of their trucks and cattle. They even staked claims on what was left of the family’s savings. The jobs that he provided were gone, too. Almost overnight the Bollings went from prosperity to poverty. Bertha Mae found work at a dry cleaner. The older children dropped out of school to help support the family. Within two years, the Bollings fled Lowndes County, fearing for their lives.

The period that followed the Civil War was one of economic terror and wealth-stripping that has left black people at lasting economic disadvantage. White Americans have seven times the wealth of black Americans on average. Though black people make up nearly 13 percent of the United States population, they hold less than 3 percent of the nation’s total wealth. The median family wealth for white people is $171,000, compared with just $17,600 for black people. It is worse on the margins. According to the Economic Policy Institute, 19 percent of black households have zero or negative net worth. Just 9 percent of white families are that poor.

Today’s racial wealth gap is perhaps the most glaring legacy of American slavery and the violent economic dispossession that followed. The fate suffered by Elmore Bolling and his family was not unique to them, or to Jim Crow Alabama. It was part of a much broader social and political campaign.

“The origins of the racial wealth gap start with the failure to provide the formerly enslaved with the land grants of 40 acres,” says William A. Darity Jr., a professor of public policy and African-American studies at Duke University. Any financial progress that black people made was regarded as an affront to white supremacy. After a decade of black gains under Reconstruction, a much longer period of racial violence would wipe nearly all of it away.

Seventy years later, the effects of Bolling’s murder are still felt by his children and their children. “There was no inheritance, nothing for my father to pass down, because it was all taken away,” says Josephine Bolling McCall...

How America’s Vast Racial Wealth Gap Grew: By Plunder

When the LAW doesn't work, it's always a problem.. Property rights are FUNDAMENTAL to Civil Liberties.. But Civil Liberties is a LARGER sphere than just property...

This is why economic freedoms are just as important as social freedoms.. Redlining is economic tyranny if there is no way around it... Doesn't matter how "free" you are socially if the govt is involved in hobbling you economically...

THe Bolling case couldn't happen today.. Couldn't happen for the past 40 years. But I'm wagering you're ALL FOR massive taxation and confiscatory death taxes on the rich -- am I CORRECT??

But in fact, that would HOBBLE successful black families the most.. That first generation wealth accumulation should NEVER be confiscated... Not from the William's sisters or Tiger Woods or Damon John or Charles Payne....

You love "death taxes" don'tcha?? They don't have to KILL anyone to rob their family's futures.....

The Bolling case could happen Flacaltenn. The government is not hobbling the rich.

The fact you think it COULD happen means you have no confidence in the rule of law... I don't think it COULD happen without folks going to jail or the electric chair...

And if the Bolling guy suffered a NATURAL DEATH and the 20 socialist wannabees that are running for President got their way ---- they would FORCE successful black family estates to liquidate many of the money making assets to pay the 50% tax... Grandma's Steinway would be the 1st thing to go...

That's THEFT -- because they can... And black families would NEVER reach economic parity with those kind of ultra punitive measures. Maybe you should pay 1/2 as much as much attention to REAL CURRENT dangers as the ones you want to review from the past....

No, I don't have confidence is the so called rule or law. It has failed blacks far more often than not. Fool, I am able to understand how past polices created the problems that cause current policy. Seems that's something you cannot do. There should not be so many first generations of black wealth in 2019 when we have been here since 1619 just like white people. Your argument is weak flacaltenn.

 

[Olde Europe]

Read it and weep:

The Great Land Robbery

The shameful story of how 1 million black families have been ripped from their farms

Owners of small farms everywhere, black and white alike, have long been buffeted by larger economic forces. But what happened to black landowners in the South, and particularly in the Delta, is distinct, and was propelled not only by economic change but also by white racism and local white power. A war waged by deed of title has dispossessed 98 percent of black agricultural landowners in America. They have lost 12 million acres over the past century. But even that statement falsely consigns the losses to long-ago history. In fact, the losses mostly occurred within living memory, from the 1950s onward. Today, except for a handful of farmers like the Scotts who have been able to keep or get back some land, black people in this most productive corner of the Deep South own almost nothing of the bounty under their feet.

[...]

These cases of dispossession can only be called theft. While the civil-rights era is remembered as a time of victories against disenfranchisement and segregation, many realities never changed. The engine of white wealth built on kleptocracy—which powered both Jim Crow and its slave-state precursor—continued to run. The black population in Mississippi declined by almost one-fifth from 1950 to 1970, as the white population increased by the exact same percentage. Farmers slipped away one by one into the night, appearing later as laborers in Chicago and Detroit. By the time black people truly gained the ballot in Mississippi, they were a clear minority, held in thrall to a white conservative supermajority.​

 

[flacaltenn]

The Bolling case could happen Flacaltenn. The government is not hobbling the rich.

The Bolling case (without killing off the head of the household) has happened, hundreds of thousands of times, during the run-up to the Great Recession, when criminal lenders specifically targeted blacks in black neighborhoods for predatory mortgages, shoving them into the subprime market, based on fine print no one understood. It's always those whose voices count least, in politics or before the courts, who are least able to fight back, who are the first victims of the vultures, back then as now. That's why the CFPB had to go, at least had to be emasculated, and is now headed by a lobbyist for the payday lending "industry", because no one stands in the way of the plutocratic vultures' financial interests.

Only folks pushing Blacks with marginal qualifications into sub-prime mortgages where the leftist do-gooders that turned their backs on all the red flags ABOUT "sub-prime" mortgages.. Because this was their "fix" to redlining.. Fannie and Freddy were repackaging the junk.. And that was ENCOURAGED by the likes of Barney Frank...

 

[flacaltenn]

Fool, I am able to understand how past polices created the problems that cause current policy. Seems that's something you cannot do.

You're too focused on the past to be capable of fixing anything today... There IS a spectacular wealth gap for black families.. In order to fix that you need to increase the success rate for CURRENT generations. And you need to realize that FREEZING access to wealth -- with abusive taxation and CONFISCATION of property when folks die will create a concrete ceiling on Black wealth in America which will MAINTAIN that wealth gap for generations. And Black families will be hurt the most...

You no longer have to SHOOT the guy to take his stuff... All ya gotta do is vote for more socialist policies....

 

[flacaltenn]

Read it and weep:

The Great Land Robbery

The shameful story of how 1 million black families have been ripped from their farms

Owners of small farms everywhere, black and white alike, have long been buffeted by larger economic forces. But what happened to black landowners in the South, and particularly in the Delta, is distinct, and was propelled not only by economic change but also by white racism and local white power. A war waged by deed of title has dispossessed 98 percent of black agricultural landowners in America. They have lost 12 million acres over the past century. But even that statement falsely consigns the losses to long-ago history. In fact, the losses mostly occurred within living memory, from the 1950s onward. Today, except for a handful of farmers like the Scotts who have been able to keep or get back some land, black people in this most productive corner of the Deep South own almost nothing of the bounty under their feet.

[...]

These cases of dispossession can only be called theft. While the civil-rights era is remembered as a time of victories against disenfranchisement and segregation, many realities never changed. The engine of white wealth built on kleptocracy—which powered both Jim Crow and its slave-state precursor—continued to run. The black population in Mississippi declined by almost one-fifth from 1950 to 1970, as the white population increased by the exact same percentage. Farmers slipped away one by one into the night, appearing later as laborers in Chicago and Detroit. By the time black people truly gained the ballot in Mississippi, they were a clear minority, held in thrall to a white conservative supermajority.​

The Atlantic seems to want me to believe that some bad hombres put a gun to all these people's heads and FORCED them to sign over their land without ANY legal process or compensation.. Please spare me the long torturous read and NAME these "bad guys"...

My guess is farming small plots of land in the deep South became completely unproductive and uncompetitive and they either were swamped in debt like a LOT of small American farmers, or they sold to developers because the land was more valuable than the business.... And I'm talking about the last 50 years or so....

 

[Olde Europe]

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The Great Land Robbery

The shameful story of how 1 million black families have been ripped from their farms


Late in Ed Scott Jr.’s life, as he slipped into Alzheimer’s, Willena and his lawyer, Phil Fraas, fought to keep his original hopes alive. In the Pigford v. Glickman lawsuit of 1997, thousands of black farmers and their families won settlements against the USDA for discrimination that had occurred between 1981 and the end of 1996; the outlays ultimately reached a total of $2 billion. The Scotts were one of those families, and after a long battle to prove their case—with the assistance of Scott-White’s meticulous notes and family history—in 2012 the family was awarded more than $6 million in economic damages, plus almost $400,000 in other damages and debt forgiveness. The court also helped the Scotts reclaim land possessed by the department. In a 1999 ruling, Judge Paul L. Friedman of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia acknowledged that forcing the federal government to compensate black farmers would “not undo all that has been done” in centuries of government-sponsored racism. But for the Scotts, it was a start.

“The telling factor, looking at it from the long view, is that at the time of World War I there were 1 million black farmers, and in 1992 there were 18,000,” Fraas told me. The settlements stemming from Pigford cover only specific recent claims of discrimination, and none stretching back to the period of the civil-rights era, when the great bulk of black-owned farms disappeared. Most people have not pushed for any kind of deeper excavation.

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According to the researchers Francis and Hamilton, “The dispossession of black agricultural land resulted in the loss of hundreds of billions of dollars of black wealth. We must emphasize this estimate is conservative … Depending on multiplier effects, rates of returns, and other factors, it could reach into the trillions.” The large wealth gap between white and black families today exists in part because of this historic loss.​

 

[gipper]

No one disputes that blacks were terribly treated in this country, until recent times. What can we do about it now? Those who espouse reparations haven’t thought such a policy through. Because hasn’t there been reparations since the 1960s?

Some in our society realized back in the 1960s that blacks were not advancing, as other ethnic groups had. So they enacted programs designed to help blacks advance, such as affirmative action. In addition, billions have been transferred to poor blacks in welfare programs. Unfortunately, large segments of black Americans are still languishing in poverty.

Blacks in the inner city not only suffer the effects of poverty, but also crime, drugs, illiteracy, abortion, joblessness, and single parenthood. Many so called experts believe once single parenthood took hold in the black community, that caused the downward spiral.

What’s Holding Black Kids Back?

 

[IM2]

Until 54 years ago, race was a factor in both public and private policy. These policies advanced whites at everyone elses expense. Today we see whites, specifically "conservative" whites, wanting to propose ideas and solutions that do not take race into account. You cannot fix damage caused by race based policies by ignoring race in any solution. Whites can talk all the garbage about what they haven't done but since white racism continues, somebody is still doing it.

 

[blastoff]

I think this is done here on purpose. The argument being made by blacks here do not end with slavery. There was a 100 year span of time where things went on that impacts life today. So if you can recognize how the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution impacts our lives today, the excuse of that was in the past has no merit in this discussion. In that 100 years after slavery, blacks experienced terrorism of all kinds.

A vast wealth gap, driven by segregation, redlining, evictions and exclusion, separates black and white America
By Trymaine Lee AUG. 14, 2019

Elmore Bolling, whose brothers called him Buddy, was a kind of one-man economy in Lowndesboro, Ala. He leased a plantation, where he had a general store with a gas station out front and a catering business; he grew cotton, corn and sugar cane. He also owned a small fleet of trucks that ran livestock and made deliveries between Lowndesboro and Montgomery. At his peak, Bolling employed as many as 40 people, all of them black like him.

One December day in 1947, a group of white men showed up along a stretch of Highway 80 just yards from Bolling’s home and store, where he lived with his wife, Bertha Mae, and their seven young children. The men confronted him on a section of road he had helped lay and shot him seven times — six times with a pistol and once with a shotgun blast to the back. His family rushed from the store to find him lying dead in a ditch.

The shooters didn’t even cover their faces; they didn’t need to. Everyone knew who had done it and why. “He was too successful to be a Negro,” someone who knew Bolling told a newspaper at the time. When Bolling was killed, his family estimates he had as much as $40,000 in the bank and more than $5,000 in assets, about $500,000 in today’s dollars. But within months of his murder nearly all of it would be gone. White creditors and people posing as creditors took the money the family got from the sale of their trucks and cattle. They even staked claims on what was left of the family’s savings. The jobs that he provided were gone, too. Almost overnight the Bollings went from prosperity to poverty. Bertha Mae found work at a dry cleaner. The older children dropped out of school to help support the family. Within two years, the Bollings fled Lowndes County, fearing for their lives.

The period that followed the Civil War was one of economic terror and wealth-stripping that has left black people at lasting economic disadvantage. White Americans have seven times the wealth of black Americans on average. Though black people make up nearly 13 percent of the United States population, they hold less than 3 percent of the nation’s total wealth. The median family wealth for white people is $171,000, compared with just $17,600 for black people. It is worse on the margins. According to the Economic Policy Institute, 19 percent of black households have zero or negative net worth. Just 9 percent of white families are that poor.

Today’s racial wealth gap is perhaps the most glaring legacy of American slavery and the violent economic dispossession that followed. The fate suffered by Elmore Bolling and his family was not unique to them, or to Jim Crow Alabama. It was part of a much broader social and political campaign.

“The origins of the racial wealth gap start with the failure to provide the formerly enslaved with the land grants of 40 acres,” says William A. Darity Jr., a professor of public policy and African-American studies at Duke University. Any financial progress that black people made was regarded as an affront to white supremacy. After a decade of black gains under Reconstruction, a much longer period of racial violence would wipe nearly all of it away.

Seventy years later, the effects of Bolling’s murder are still felt by his children and their children. “There was no inheritance, nothing for my father to pass down, because it was all taken away,” says Josephine Bolling McCall...

How America’s Vast Racial Wealth Gap Grew: By Plunder

Get a job.

Post on topic.

I thought the topic was slavery. You African brothers are being bought and sold in Africa. Go there, although presonally I wouldn't give a plug dinar for you.

The argument is not just about slavery
Discussion in 'Race Relations/Racism' started by IM2, 37 minutes ago.

Link?

 

[IM2]

I think this is done here on purpose. The argument being made by blacks here do not end with slavery. There was a 100 year span of time where things went on that impacts life today. So if you can recognize how the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution impacts our lives today, the excuse of that was in the past has no merit in this discussion. In that 100 years after slavery, blacks experienced terrorism of all kinds.

A vast wealth gap, driven by segregation, redlining, evictions and exclusion, separates black and white America
By Trymaine Lee AUG. 14, 2019

Elmore Bolling, whose brothers called him Buddy, was a kind of one-man economy in Lowndesboro, Ala. He leased a plantation, where he had a general store with a gas station out front and a catering business; he grew cotton, corn and sugar cane. He also owned a small fleet of trucks that ran livestock and made deliveries between Lowndesboro and Montgomery. At his peak, Bolling employed as many as 40 people, all of them black like him.

One December day in 1947, a group of white men showed up along a stretch of Highway 80 just yards from Bolling’s home and store, where he lived with his wife, Bertha Mae, and their seven young children. The men confronted him on a section of road he had helped lay and shot him seven times — six times with a pistol and once with a shotgun blast to the back. His family rushed from the store to find him lying dead in a ditch.

The shooters didn’t even cover their faces; they didn’t need to. Everyone knew who had done it and why. “He was too successful to be a Negro,” someone who knew Bolling told a newspaper at the time. When Bolling was killed, his family estimates he had as much as $40,000 in the bank and more than $5,000 in assets, about $500,000 in today’s dollars. But within months of his murder nearly all of it would be gone. White creditors and people posing as creditors took the money the family got from the sale of their trucks and cattle. They even staked claims on what was left of the family’s savings. The jobs that he provided were gone, too. Almost overnight the Bollings went from prosperity to poverty. Bertha Mae found work at a dry cleaner. The older children dropped out of school to help support the family. Within two years, the Bollings fled Lowndes County, fearing for their lives.

The period that followed the Civil War was one of economic terror and wealth-stripping that has left black people at lasting economic disadvantage. White Americans have seven times the wealth of black Americans on average. Though black people make up nearly 13 percent of the United States population, they hold less than 3 percent of the nation’s total wealth. The median family wealth for white people is $171,000, compared with just $17,600 for black people. It is worse on the margins. According to the Economic Policy Institute, 19 percent of black households have zero or negative net worth. Just 9 percent of white families are that poor.

Today’s racial wealth gap is perhaps the most glaring legacy of American slavery and the violent economic dispossession that followed. The fate suffered by Elmore Bolling and his family was not unique to them, or to Jim Crow Alabama. It was part of a much broader social and political campaign.

“The origins of the racial wealth gap start with the failure to provide the formerly enslaved with the land grants of 40 acres,” says William A. Darity Jr., a professor of public policy and African-American studies at Duke University. Any financial progress that black people made was regarded as an affront to white supremacy. After a decade of black gains under Reconstruction, a much longer period of racial violence would wipe nearly all of it away.

Seventy years later, the effects of Bolling’s murder are still felt by his children and their children. “There was no inheritance, nothing for my father to pass down, because it was all taken away,” says Josephine Bolling McCall...

How America’s Vast Racial Wealth Gap Grew: By Plunder

Get a job.

Post on topic.

I thought the topic was slavery. You African brothers are being bought and sold in Africa. Go there, although presonally I wouldn't give a plug dinar for you.

The argument is not just about slavery
Discussion in 'Race Relations/Racism' started by IM2, 37 minutes ago.

Link?

Kiss my ass.

 

[Olde Europe]

Until 54 years ago, race was a factor in both public and private policy. These policies advanced whites at everyone elses expense. Today we see whites, specifically "conservative" whites, wanting to propose ideas and solutions that do not take race into account. You cannot fix damage caused by race based policies by ignoring race in any solution. Whites can talk all the garbage about what they haven't done but since white racism continues, somebody is still doing it.

I tentatively agree the disparities created by race-based policies probably won't disappear entirely if race isn't part of the solution.

However, if race were simply no longer a factor in hiring decisions, if race suddenly didn't play any role in policing and sentencing, if zip-codes (the current-day replacement for race) did no longer guide where major public infrastructure investments are going, where public transport to the next economic power hub is being made available, if race did no longer pre-determine decisions on loans and mortgages, or on whom to accept in the old-boys networks, the gap would narrow considerably on its own. For the time being, both public and private policy is, somewhat more subtly but still, guided by race, even while they are no longer yelling "N!gger!", and that's why even in a long economic upswing with record-low unemployment, the wealth gap doesn't narrow.

The Birth Defect pervades every aspect of life, from way higher child-birth mortality among blacks to black communities living on super-fund sites. If black intelligence, creativity, and industry were rewarded just as white intelligence, creativity, and industry, I would guess 95% of the problem would be solved, but even that's way, way off.