The anti gunners lied....they don't want to disarm domestic abusers, they just want your guns....

2aguy

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Of course the truth in any policy from anti gunners is that they will use a good thing, trying to keep guns away from domestic abusers, as a gateway to get at what they really want.....the ability to criminalize normal gun owners and to take away their guns......it never fails, it is always what happens...

Shocker: California's Gun Confiscation Program Is Terribly Flawed

A local Eyewitness Newsoutfit looked into the matter and found serious problems:



In the quiet Southern California neighborhood of Upland, Lynette Phillips lives a quiet, ordinary life. But in the spring of 2013, it was interrupted by a loud knock on the door. Phillips was greeted by police officers.



[…]

Phillips didn't know yet, but her name was listed in California's Armed and Prohibited Persons Systems. She was now considered someone who wasn't allowed to own, or be around, firearms. So, all of her husband's guns were confiscated, but not before being laid out on the front porch for neighbors to see.

[…]

Rewind to a night three months earlier. Phillips, who tells us she suffers from depression and anxiety, had an adverse reaction while switching anti-depressant medications. So, she checked herself into a local mental health hospital for some quick relief.

Phillips says, "The first thing I said to her is I just want you to know that I am not a threat to myself or to anyone, I just can't stop crying. Then she started asking me some really bizarre questions."

Like what she would do if she got into a car accident, which Phillips later found out the nurse used to deem her suicidal, writing this in her notes, "You stated that if you got into a car accident you wouldn't care and you drive yourself off a cliff."

Phillips says, "That was never said. That was false documentation."

[…]

Eyewitness News took a deeper look into the program, and found several cases where mistakes were made. Michael Merritt of Bakersfield had 18 of his guns seized for a felony charge from the 1970's that no longer exists.

Merritt says, "I almost fainted and passed out when they said they wanted all of my guns."

His guns were later returned.


In November, Clovis business owner Albert Sheakalee had his names and 541 of his seized guns put on a big display by state agents. The licensed gun dealer had previously been put on a mental health hold. The state says Sheakalee had been committed involuntarily, but his attorney argues

Sheakalee sought help on his own for a temporary crisis.

Sheakalee's attorney Mark Coleman says, "He's never bee adjudicated by the court as being dangerous, he's never been adjudicated by a mental health professional as being dangerous."

According to reports and audits dug up by Eyewitness News, problems with the APPS program run deep, especially in regards to mental health tracking.
 
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If you irresponsible gun nutters had the choice, if you could go back, would you take Adam Lanza's gun? His mother's guns?

Or are these little kids just so much collateral damage?

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If you irresponsible gun nutters had the choice, if you could go back, would you take Adam Lanza's gun? His mother's guns?

Or are these little kids just so much collateral damage?

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You are out of your fucking mind, gun grabbing little bitch. Why don't you do some research on sandy hook hoax.
 
If you irresponsible gun nutters had the choice, if you could go back, would you take Adam Lanza's gun? His mother's guns?

Or are these little kids just so much collateral damage?

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I would really believe you gave a damn about these people if you weren't a pro-abort.

But you're a pro-abort, so I know you don't give a damn about human life.

You are using these people for your own political gain.

You don't care about them, or anyone, other than yourself.
 


and the expanded background check would not have stopped that attack........he murdered his mother, twit, and did not go through a background check........so again....an anti gunner wants a pointless law that does not stop one criminal from getting a gun, and does not stop one mass shooter from getting a gun.

poster shows is that the anti gunners are emotional and not rational.......


please name one mass shooter that would have been stopped by a background check.
 
Well 2aguy ?

If you could go back, would you take their guns away?


I would have put armed secur


And who said they don't want a mental health check on background checks? What we know for sure is that you guys don't care about this guy getting a gun.....he helps your cause to ban guns. What you want through the mental health aspect of a background check is access to normal gun owners so you can get them banned from owning guns. You want anyone who talks to a therapist, anyone who sees a grief counselor, anyone who has insomnia or reports feeling "blue" to their doctor to be put on a list......not because they are dangerous, but just because you want to get rid of guns...as I show with the laws in Britain regarding safes, it is not about safety, it is about a slow strangle on gun ownership.......

We know how you think....you hate guns and if we are not careful in how we approach the mental health background check, you will use it to attack normal gun owners, just like every other law you use impacts normal, law abiding gun owners and does nothing to stop criminals and mass shooters from getting guns....

Do you really think that even a mental health background check would stop this guy from getting guns if he wanted them. They can't even stop it in France, Britain or Australia.......places with gun confiscation and extreme gun control.....

So...we know what you want, you could care less about this guy.....you just look at 357 million guns in private hands and you want to punish those law abiding gun owners.....you are mentally ill, and phobic about guns....

Considering that mass public shootings kill less than 80 people a year in even the most active years..........

Mass public shootings by nuts are not a problem....they are the rarest of the rare of shooting crimes...yet of course you guys know you can use them to get to law abiding gun owners...
 
If you irresponsible gun nutters had the choice, if you could go back, would you take Adam Lanza's gun? His mother's guns?

Or are these little kids just so much collateral damage?

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I would have informed the police that this kid needed to be forcibly commited....and told them to put an armed guard at the Sandy Hook School.........and told his mother that her son was going to murder her and take her guns and kill those children and helped her lock them up at a gun store.......

And then he would have been ignored, and released by a democrat judge, and found a gun somewhere else and shot up another school that didn't have armed security...

You do know that he picked Sandy Hook because it was a gun free zone...right? That he had been a student at Sandy Hook, then the middle school and also the High School in the area...but the middle school and the High School were known to him to have armed security...right? He had spent 2 years planning the attack and had kept detailed records about his potential targets....

Sandy Hook did not have any armed security..the other schools did.........he knew it and picked Sandy Hook because of it....

Your gun free zones kill more people than this woman owning guns do......

So....back to you twit....would you approve letting some of the staff carry guns......and removing the gun free status from the school so that lanza would not have targeted the school.........would you have approved that.....?
 
If you irresponsible gun nutters had the choice, if you could go back, would you take Adam Lanza's gun? His mother's guns?

Or are these little kids just so much collateral damage?

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Americans use guns 1.5 million times a year to stop violent crime including shootings like these when they are in an area that allows them to carry their guns, that is the target of a mass shooter....

1.5 million violent crimes stopped each year by gun owning and gun carrying Americans......if you could, would you take those guns away from those people........?

Be honest...we already know what you will say...be brave and actually say it.....
 
The two teenagers at columbine were teenagers, who were not legally able to buy guns...they couldn't even walk into a gun store and get a background check.....they bought their guns illegally...and then murdered students at Columbine....

So you are an idiot ludly.....you don't care about saving lives...you just hate gun owners.
 
Well 2aguy ?

If you could go back, would you take their guns away?

Taking guns away just makes sure that the real crazy and violent people have guns, and no one else has a gun to protect themselves. If those other people want a gun to hurt people, then they will still find a way to get one. It just makes sure that no one will fight back while they run around the mall shooting people.

The exaggeration about a short term, temporary issue, has allowed them to take guns away from the people who use them responsibly for sport, or purely to protect themselves.
 
1.5 million violent crimes stopped





2.5 million is the correct number. Not 1.5 million. Unless you have actual proof, use the 2.5 million. It sounds so much better.

6839 crimes stopped PER DAY.
We stop more crime than we have. Hows that for efficent?
 
aking guns away just makes sure that the real crazy and violent people have guns, and no one else has a gun to protect themselves. If




How many people do you know personally who have had the government take their guns away? Lawful owners. Not criminals.
 
1.5 million violent crimes stopped





2.5 million is the correct number. Not 1.5 million. Unless you have actual proof, use the 2.5 million. It sounds so much better.

6839 crimes stopped PER DAY.
We stop more crime than we have. Hows that for efficent?


Actually, if you take the average of the gun studies that do not include the police or military the number is 2 million......but here is all of the studies and their numbers.....2.5 million is not an impossible number...

I just averaged the studies......which were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense....the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC

And these aren't all of the studies either...there are more...and they support the ones below.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....
 

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