The Anthropocene

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    According to the "experts" we have passed at least 7 tipping points. Every few years, when they don't get their way, they trot out another scaremongering story and warn us of impending doom if we don't do what they say.
     
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    and for this reason and even if ONLY this reason, its very difficult to take these "threats" seriously.

    yes we need to work better within our environment
    yes we need to clean up after ourselves better
    yes we need to adjust what we do so these things are easier and 2nd nature to us

    no we are not a virus on this planet anymore than any other living being on it. we just happen to be the most intelligent (debatable yes) and the only species on this planet who demands we feel guilty for being alive at times. i would agree the entire "virus on this planet" is difficult to take seriously and demeans the underlying thought process of the natural question of "what are we doing here" mankind has kicked around since clubbing their first cavewoman and dragging her home.

    the need to be so "extreme" is what makes the vast majority of the rest of us look away and/or laugh. while i'm all for digging into the meaning of life and our spiritual existence in all this, i don't need the drama around it. while we are in fact capable of massive harm to this world, we are also capable of incredible good. we do both. daily. why people want to ignore one to amplify the bad i'll never understand except its simply how they feel.

    nothing wrong with that no. but i wont always take how people feel seriously. that's just how i feel.
     
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    It certainly is asinine. But you sure misunderstood what I said. A virus causes diseases, it is not commonly considered an invasive species. Secondly I said we are almost an invasive species.
    Wikipedia:
    An invasive species is a species that because of the lack of its natural predators as they aren't in their native region, have a tendency to spread to a degree believed to cause damage to the environment, human economy or human health.​
    We are no longer in fear of natural predators. We are our own predators. We have spread to a degree that has caused damage to our environment. We are not the viruses.The intense concentration of people and world wide mobility have enabled a continuing spread of disease from viruses.

    You are jumping to conclusions again about "You people". I'm not talking about sustainable economies nor a sustainable lifestyle. I'm talking about a sustainable earth.

    I am talking about the entire world. Why do you think that I'm only talking about the West?

    AGW? To enact socialism worldwide? If you want to talk about AGW and socialism. Don't reference my post. I'm not interested in that deflection.

    The OP is about the new era where man is changing the earth. The clip I referenced, Koyaanisqatsi, is Hopi for life out of balance, and illustrates my point. It is related to the OP. I'm not interested in your deflections and don't appreciate your misinterpretations of my points.

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    The Earth is an inherently stable platform. While everything we see appears chaotic, in fact it is remarkably stable. So stable that life has been able to evolve over billions of years to what we are now.

    The one thing that can destroy that stability is an asteroid strike.

    At least once in the past all life was nearly wiped out by just such a catastrophe.

    Mankind is the first creature to evolve on this planet that has the capacity to protect the earth from another asteroid strike.

    Your choice of language to describe mans impact on the planet is not useful. It is too general and is useful only to push a political agenda.
     
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    Again you are missing the point. I was not talking about the stability of the planet under catastrophic events. There is a difference between that and
    strip mining; and
    decimating forests for agriculture; and
    poaching endangered animals almost to extinction; and.
    polluting the oceans with huge islands of plastic;
    and micro plastics that are now a part of the aquatic food chain;
    and so on.

    That is not too general nor is it pushing a political agenda. The whole world is doing it.

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    The Decline of the West, Oswald Spengler.
     
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    Yes, but by pushing a political agenda, THOSE very real issues are being ignored.

    That was my point. How did you miss it?
     
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    I don't consider it political.
    I assume you are referring to AGW. Some are pushing it because they are concerned about their future. Is that political? Some are saying that GW is not caused by man and don't want to be involved in wasting money on it. If politicians want to look at it that way why don't they more strongly promote controlling plastic and land use. It would may require stronger industrial regulations.

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    AGW is a theory that was disproved, scientifically, years ago. The fact that political leaders still use it for their goals tells you it is about power and nothing else.
     
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    That is a non sequitur. How political leaders use their power concerning carbon based energy has nothing to do with the OP or my main concern in post #25.

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