The American Dream...or the socialist progressive dream?

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    One thing that has been lost over time is the American Dream is a dream by INDIVIDUALS to be able to accomplish whatever they want. Too often it's our government coming out with legislation to "help people fulfill the American Dream" when, by their actions, they are ensuring that can never happen. A push toward equality is the worst thing that could ever happen to the Dream. How many people do you know who dream of the day that they can finally be mediocre?

    The welfare state and entitlement culture is changing it. Individual achievement is no longer celebrated as it once was. Why give the best player on the team a trophy when that might hurt feelings? Instead, give all players a trophy to celebrate mediocrity. Unfortunately, when you cherish mediocrity for too long you eventually become mediocre yourself.

    We must turn our backs on that way of thinking. Celebrate diversity, not only in appearance, but in aptitude and ability. Celebrate accomplishments, not only when the least talented succeed, but also when the most talented do. And celebrate hard work, certainly when it pays off, but especially when it doesn't. Those three values have been taken from us and twisted by progressive socialists and the uneducated left. If we can restore them, we can help restore America.
     
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    Life is not the same as sport - in sport you can have a winner, but when peoples survival or health is at issue giving everyone a 'trophy' is not a bad idea.

    The society you want does not praise achievement, it denies a fair chance to the many so the few can acumulate excess wealth. IMO those who achieve in such a society are not the 'best of the best' as the propaganda would have it, but are the luckiest, the most ruthless, the most criminal or inherit wealth to start with.

    Society does not need to be made up of a few having most of the wealth, but should be made up of a community of equals - equality is the key to happiness.
     
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    Please give an example of our society denying a "fair chance" - whatever the fuck "fair" is supposed to be this week - to "the many".

    And no, equality is not the key to happiness to me. As the OP said, I have no dream to be mediocre and part of the herd.
     
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    You're changing the issue cecilie, Liberty wants to get rid of 'our society' and replace it with a 'winner only' society in which the mass of individuals are pushed aside.

    You are not mediocre nor are you part 'of the herd', nor is anybody else. Accumulating wealth or things at the expense of others does not make people happy (ultimately).

    I posted a video recently in which many Americans who had become homeless through no fault of their own talked of their misfortunes. I felt these were good people, many of them professionals who had lost out through the vagaries of the economy. Not one comment was left.
     
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    Trying to pretend that this is all just about personally, individually attacking Liberty isn't gonna fly, unless you're prepared to categorically prove that Liberty is advocating a society based on a handful of corrupt individuals fucking over the masses and using them as slaves. Otherwise, we're going to have to go with the idea that Liberty is advocating exactly what his post indicates: capitalism and a free-market society, which most assuredly does NOT deny opportunity to most people.

    Don't blame me or Liberty if a society that has winners and losers rather than mindless, artificially-equalized drones on the dole doesn't happen to include you in the "winners" category. That's your problem.

    Actually, many people ARE mediocre and part of the herd. Some of them simply don't have the capacity to become exceptional, and some choose not to take the risk. The first is the injustice of the cosmos and outside anyone's ability to change, and the second is their personal choice and no reason to begrudge or deprive me of the rewards of choosing to take that risk.

    Excepting people with mental illnesses, there's no such thing as "homeless through no fault of their own".
     
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    The American Dream is being lived by millions of americans. If it is beyond your reach, it is your fault

    In the real America (not the depressing dystopia you blame for your lack of acheivement) atheletes like Tiger Woods, A-Rod, etc make the big bucks, and the losers get no trophy.

    So man up, and take responsibility for your pitiful inability to succeed
     
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    Interesting, so do these mediocre people tend to be black or perhaps hispanic? do they lack this ability from birth, and if we can detect such...sub humans (?) should we abort them to enhance the population...do you see where I'm coming from?

    You must be doing well cecilie, I hope for you sake you dont fall through the cracks in your philosophy, in the US of great inequality you will have a long way to fall and few if any ways out of your dilemma.
     
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    Today unfortunately all too often, the American system rewards vice and punishes virtue.
    This is done on many levels.
    Working hard, paying your debts faithfully, living within your means, saving money for the future etc. etc. is great. But unfortunately in today's system - you will find all those who did none of these things - got many of the same things you worked for - but got it on your dime.
     
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    Your racism is your problem, not mine. Please don't project it onto me, or attempt to shoehorn it into conversations with me.

    I'm very sorry if it's a newsflash to you that some people in the world are born with substandard intelligence, and I'm very, VERY sorry if your natural, liberal crassness leads you to assume that such people - or any person - could be categorized as a "subhuman". You make me very glad that I'm a conservative and thus don't devalue basic humanity the way you do.

    I am doing quite well. I haven't always been, and I can assure you that my philosophy has no "cracks" for me to fall through, because unlike whining victims like you and those you prattle about, I do not simply sit around and let life happen to me willy-nilly. That is the difference between temporary setbacks and outright failure.

    The only inequality I can see in the US is an uneven distribution of character and moxie.
     
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    That's what the failures always say. "The game is rigged!!!"

    Meanwhile, millions of law abiding Americans prosper
     

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