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An M-14 hits nearly as hard. I do love my .308's
My older brother has a Springfield Armory M-14. I think he said it's a "match grade" (I probably have the term messed up).
If it could cook, he'd marry it.
Might it be a "National Match" M-14? (They were intended for use my military marksmanship teams.) My wife's friend also has one (I do NOT want to know what that cost), and it is amazing. No semiautomatic rifle should be THAT accurate!
The Germans made the best weapons in WW2 - too many parts.
The Amis and Soviets Mass=produced - with theT34 tank and theShermans (thelatter ridiculed in Patton)
guesswho won the war?????????????????????????????????????/
The M16a1 was effective to 500 meters. I qualified on it at Pendelton at that range. Even the Army admitted it was accurate to 460 Meters. The A2 is more stable with a heavier barrel it is good to those ranges also. The claim the rifle is only effective to 300 yards is wrong. Perhaps the M4 is only good to 300 yards.
...but I've read and heard enough about it to wonder why it ever replaced the M-1 (Garand)...
It didn't. The M-14 (really just an improved Garand) replaced the Garand.
I read about the M-16 jamming and costing lives in Vietnam and I heard about it first hand from a neighbor who had it happen to him and saw it happen to others. But I've never heard of an M-1 jamming
The prototype tested version was just fine but when it was put into full production changes were made to keep down costs. The later versions were about as reliable as the AK if kept reasonably clean. The primary cause of jaming with either is dirty/damaged magazines just as would probably be the case if you shoved a clod of mud into a Garand along with the clip. Also the higher capacity the mag. the more likely to jam. We normally loaded only 18 or 19 rnds per 20 rnd. mag. to help avoid jaming.
What I like best about the M-1 is the clip-of-eight loading, which takes a trained shooter less than two seconds to do. That means a rifleman in the prone position with a few bandoliers at hand can keep shooting without significant interruption until he runs out of ammo. But the M-16 is magazine-fed and unless one is carrying a load of magazines he is out of luck if he runs out in a firefight and needs to stop to load one.
A mag. changes at least as fast as clips and holds 2 or 3 times as much ammo. In addition the mags themelves are normally loaded from stripper clips. And, yes, bandolers of 10 ea. 20rnd. mags. were carried.
The bandolers in the pic above contain loaded spare mags. for M-16s.
Sorry, America, but neither the M-14 or M-16 can hold a candle to this old war horse:
Policed the Empire in one form or another for nearly a century; and could take down anything from an elephant to a German officer. Still in use, too.
Not if it tends to malfunction if not pampered.It's the person behind the rifle that matters most...............
I beg to differ on that brother.Sorry, America, but neither the M-14 or M-16 can hold a candle to this old war horse:
Policed the Empire in one form or another for nearly a century; and could take down anything from an elephant to a German officer. Still in use, too.
Best bolt action military rifle ever fielded.
I don't know about that.Sorry, America, but neither the M-14 or M-16 can hold a candle to this old war horse:
Policed the Empire in one form or another for nearly a century; and could take down anything from an elephant to a German officer. Still in use, too.
Best bolt action military rifle ever fielded. But doesn't hold a candle to the Garand or M-14.
An M-14 hits nearly as hard. I do love my .308's
My older brother has a Springfield Armory M-14. I think he said it's a "match grade" (I probably have the term messed up).
If it could cook, he'd marry it.
Might it be a "National Match" M-14? (They were intended for use my military marksmanship teams.) My wife's friend also has one (I do NOT want to know what that cost), and it is amazing. No semiautomatic rifle should be THAT accurate
The object in combat is killing. The M16 was the right type of weapon for Vietnam.
When we went on combat operations in Northern I Corps, most of the time us grunts had to carry a 60mm mortar round on our packs. When we were humping the bush all day, a lighter rifle than a M14 made a significant difference. There were alternatives to the M16. The one that got a good field report was the Stoner Rifle System. Stoner M63 - Modular Weapons System - History, Specs and Pictures - Military, Security and Civilian Guns and Equipment
Sometime before February 1968 a newer M16 was issued to my unit. I didn't get one. Two days after they were issued, I flew to Okinawa. My tour of duty was over.
I wasn't a hero. I did what was asked of me. At 66 years of age, I am telling War Stories.
Now back to the retired life that I am enjoying in Florida.
God Bless all my bother and sister Vietnam Veterans and Semper Fi to those who served with USMC.
...but I've read and heard enough about it to wonder why it ever replaced the M-1 (Garand)...
It didn't. The M-14 (really just an improved Garand) replaced the Garand.
I read about the M-16 jamming and costing lives in Vietnam and I heard about it first hand from a neighbor who had it happen to him and saw it happen to others. But I've never heard of an M-1 jamming
The prototype tested version was just fine but when it was put into full production changes were made to keep down costs. The later versions were about as reliable as the AK if kept reasonably clean. The primary cause of jaming with either is dirty/damaged magazines just as would probably be the case if you shoved a clod of mud into a Garand along with the clip. Also the higher capacity the mag. the more likely to jam. We normally loaded only 18 or 19 rnds per 20 rnd. mag. to help avoid jaming.
What I like best about the M-1 is the clip-of-eight loading, which takes a trained shooter less than two seconds to do. That means a rifleman in the prone position with a few bandoliers at hand can keep shooting without significant interruption until he runs out of ammo. But the M-16 is magazine-fed and unless one is carrying a load of magazines he is out of luck if he runs out in a firefight and needs to stop to load one.
A mag. changes at least as fast as clips and holds 2 or 3 times as much ammo. In addition the mags themelves are normally loaded from stripper clips. And, yes, bandolers of 10 ea. 20rnd. mags. were carried.
The bandolers in the pic above contain loaded spare mags. for M-16s.
I believe those bandoliers are holding M-14 magazines. Also Garand receivers are dimensionally different from the M-14 reciever, they're close but you can't make a M-14 from a Garand receiver. The Italians however DID make their BM-59 battle rifles from Garand receivers.
The M-14 can be loaded with a 5 round stripper clip but will not accept a 8 round en-bloc clip from a Garand.
Not if it tends to malfunction if not pampered.It's the person behind the rifle that matters most...............
Bad ammo caused the problems with the M-16. A good rifleman keeps his weapon in good shape....so once again it IS the man (or woman) behind the rifle.
An interesting related story is why the US Military outsourced it's primary issue handgun. It's ironic that the FBI and other federal and state law enforcement agencies are going with the trusty old .45 for it's stopping power and reliability while the US Military is using the relatively anemic 9mm on an Italian gun maker frame. Could one of the reasons involve the democrat party's fairness policy of forcing women into combat roles? The majority of female Soldiers couldn't even hold the old Colt .45 Auto out straight with one hand much less shoot the damned thing. There is a condition in shooting called "limp wrist" where another round won't chamber if the weapon wasn't held in a solid grip. Well duh, a limp wrist comes with the female issue (and a few males who run the Country..
An interesting related story is why the US Military outsourced it's primary issue handgun. It's ironic that the FBI and other federal and state law enforcement agencies are going with the trusty old .45 for it's stopping power and reliability while the US Military is using the relatively anemic 9mm on an Italian gun maker frame. Could one of the reasons involve the democrat party's fairness policy of forcing women into combat roles? The majority of female Soldiers couldn't even hold the old Colt .45 Auto out straight with one hand much less shoot the damned thing. There is a condition in shooting called "limp wrist" where another round won't chamber if the weapon wasn't held in a solid grip. Well duh, a limp wrist comes with the female issue (and a few males who run the Country..
Ever fired the two pistols you are referring to? I have (my grandmother has a 1911, my wife has a Beretta)...and a Beretta 92 kicks just as hard as an M1911A1. The .45 round is heavier, but the 9mm round has a much higher velocity.
Not if it tends to malfunction if not pampered.
Bad ammo caused the problems with the M-16. A good rifleman keeps his weapon in good shape....so once again it IS the man (or woman) behind the rifle.
Have you ever been to Afghanistan? Because (from someone who HAS) it is IMPOSSIBLE to keep dust out of anything. 5 minutes after cleaning a rifle, it's dirty again. On a windy day, it is CAKED in grit within 12 hours.
An interesting related story is why the US Military outsourced it's primary issue handgun. It's ironic that the FBI and other federal and state law enforcement agencies are going with the trusty old .45 for it's stopping power and reliability while the US Military is using the relatively anemic 9mm on an Italian gun maker frame. Could one of the reasons involve the democrat party's fairness policy of forcing women into combat roles? The majority of female Soldiers couldn't even hold the old Colt .45 Auto out straight with one hand much less shoot the damned thing. There is a condition in shooting called "limp wrist" where another round won't chamber if the weapon wasn't held in a solid grip. Well duh, a limp wrist comes with the female issue (and a few males who run the Country..
Ever fired the two pistols you are referring to? I have (my grandmother has a 1911, my wife has a Beretta)...and a Beretta 92 kicks just as hard as an M1911A1. The .45 round is heavier, but the 9mm round has a much higher velocity.
Actually I was issued a .45 in the Marines and was taught to fire it right handed although I am left handed and I never had a problem. A 9mm doesn't kick like a .45 and it is lighter. Like I said the so-called elite law-enforcement agencies are moving back to the .45 with almost the same platform as the old 1911. Why would they do that? Better stopping power than the lighter 9mm slug. Why did the Military outsource the US primary handgun? Maybe the big shots had stock in Beretta. My guess is that the fat asses and the broad asses who run the Pentagon wanted a prettier gun that the babes could look good wearing and not walk with a limp not to mention a limp wrist.
Ever fired the two pistols you are referring to? I have (my grandmother has a 1911, my wife has a Beretta)...and a Beretta 92 kicks just as hard as an M1911A1. The .45 round is heavier, but the 9mm round has a much higher velocity.
Actually I was issued a .45 in the Marines and was taught to fire it right handed although I am left handed and I never had a problem. A 9mm doesn't kick like a .45 and it is lighter. Like I said the so-called elite law-enforcement agencies are moving back to the .45 with almost the same platform as the old 1911. Why would they do that? Better stopping power than the lighter 9mm slug. Why did the Military outsource the US primary handgun? Maybe the big shots had stock in Beretta. My guess is that the fat asses and the broad asses who run the Pentagon wanted a prettier gun that the babes could look good wearing and not walk with a limp not to mention a limp wrist.
Hardly...NATO was standardizing 9mm as a pistol caliber, no more and no less. Beretta won the contract, but other companies' pistols (including Colt and Browning) were considered. Again, having fired both, Liz's Beretta kicks as hard as my grandfather';s old Colt, especially on the last shot.
Every LEO I can think of that does not use a 9mm uses a .40 caliber or a 10mm, not a .45ACP.
MP? Communicator? Or officer?Actually I was issued a .45 in the Marines[...]
Converting .45 to 9mm for military application is highly suspicious. I can't imagine anyone who understands guns making such a decision, regardless of the extended firepower. The stopping power of the .45 more than compensates for the 15 round capacity of the Beretta 92.[...]Why did the Military outsource the US primary handgun? Maybe the big shots had stock in Beretta. My guess is that the fat asses and the broad asses who run the Pentagon wanted a prettier gun that the babes could look good wearing and not walk with a limp not to mention a limp wrist.
