The allies biggest mistake

But you did end up having much of that technology anyway, the Russians only got some of it much later then what the American's did, i mean, it was America who dropped the first a-bomb and the Russians only got that technology when it was smuggled to them (if memory serves).

Yes we did end up having much of that technology by inventing it ourselves wich took time, time in wich the scientists could have been inventing something else. And if they captured Nazi scientists then they could have had both inventions for the same amount of time. You see it is not about having the technology, because 50 years later we probably would have invented it ourselves anyway.

It is about the time we loose and Russia gained in advancing through technology. The time we gained by having Nazi rocket scientists is the reason why there was an american flag on the moon before there was a Russian flag, it would have been a russian flag first if it wasn't for that group of Nazi rocket scientists.

That is why these scientists were and are so significant to us:
AmericanHeritage.com / The Nazi Scientists of America

The Germans back then were in terms of technological advancement as much ahead of the rest of the world as the US is now.

"And they weren’t the first. The ink was barely dry on the surrender documents before a German missile expert was working 12-hour days under military guard in Washington, D.C. He was followed in the coming decades by as many as 1,600 experts in biological and chemical warfare, submarines, rockets, and aviation. These men and women were in essence spoils of war, taken by the victor to benefit from the vanquished foe’s history of scientific achievement. The majority of Nobel prizes up to 1939 had gone to Germans, and Hitler had been quick to exploit his talented countrymen. He conceived of a military-industrial complex while Eisenhower was still a lieutenant colonel, and by the war’s opening salvos, German ordnance was superior to the Allies’ almost across the board. Their tanks were more impenetrable, their planes flew faster, their bombs fell surer, and their guns shot farther. By the time Germany’s V1 and V2 rockets began raining down on London, Allied leaders realized that technical espionage might not only boost their own scientific capabilities but also help them predict where the Germans would strike next."

"The scientists drew little attention from the American press or public until October 4, 1957, when the Soviets launched Sputnik. Suddenly all eyes were on our rocket team. The assertion that “their Germans are better than our Germans” (variously attributed to Bob Hope, Lyndon Johnson, and myriad presidential advisers) summed up the public’s attitude at the beginning of the decade-long space race. “Our” Germans, led by Wernher von Braun, put a satellite into orbit three months later and of course ultimately triumphed with the moon landing in July 1969.They also made less famous but equally significant contributions to American jet technology, optics, and electronics."

Both Russia and the US took advantage of this, the whole technology race during the cold war was won by the US only thx to the german scientists. And the fact that the russians could keep up so well was thx to the german scientists that they captured. At the time WWII began they were hardly capable of making a plane, the same can be said about the US on other areas in science when you compared them with the Germans.

The reason why we are inventing the things we are inventing now is because of the technology we captured back then. The allies made a mistake by letting the russians capture so much German technology and scientists, because they are the reason why the US is now inventing stuff they would already have invented earlier because of more rapid technological development. As a result the US would be even more technological advanced now and the Russians would be even less technological advanced now. And the technology race during the cold war would have been won even much more significantly by the allies and earlier.

Even in battles we were victorious we can make mistakes, but I think this mistake has cost us dearly in our technological advancement and in the time the cold war lasted.
 
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This thread presumes that we could have taken all of Germany.

That would have been rather difficult since the Russians already occupied it.
 
This thread presumes that we could have taken all of Germany.

That would have been rather difficult since the Russians already occupied it.

No it is based upon the facts that US troops were ordered to wait, to let the russians take the rest of Germany.

"General Eisenhower's Armies were facing resistance that varied from almost non-existent to fanatical[3] as they advanced towards Berlin, which was located 200 kilometers from their positions in early April 1945. Britain's Prime Minister, Winston Churchill, urged Eisenhower to continue the advance towards Berlin by the 21st Army Group, under the command of Field Marshal Montgomery with the intention of capturing the city. Even General Patton agreed with Churchill that he should order the attack on the city since Montgomery' troops could reach Berlin within 3 days.[4] However, by mid-April, Eisenhower ordered all armies to halt when they reached the Elbe and Mulde Rivers, thus immobilizing these spearheads while the war continued for three more weeks. 21st Army Group was then instead ordered to move northeast toward Bremen and Hamburg. While the U.S. 9th and 1st Armies held their ground from Magdeburg through Leipzig to western Czechoslovakia, Eisenhower ordered three Allied field armies (1st French, and the U.S. 7th and 3rd Armies) into southeastern Germany and Austria. Advancing from northern Italy, the British 8th Army[5] pushed to the borders of Slovenia to defeat the remaining Wehrmacht elements there.[4] This later caused some friction with the Yugoslav forces, notably around Trieste."

Race to Berlin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The allies deliberately slowed there advance into Germany.
 
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General Eisenhower's Armies were facing resistance that varied from almost non-existent to fanatical[3] as they advanced towards Berlin, which was located 200 kilometers from their positions in early April 1945.

I'll say it again...the Russians were ALREADY well entrenched in Germany in April 1945.

The battle of Berlin STARTED in Jan 1945 and ended in May 1945.

I believe in Jan 1945 the Americans were fighting far to the east in the Ardennes.

On 25 April 1945, American and Soviet troops linked up at Torgau on the Elbe, north-east of Leipzig.

FYI, Liepzig is about 50 miles or so WEST of Berlin.

What I am attempting to point out to you is that Americans never reached BERLIN except to bomb the crap out of it to help the RUSSIANS take the capital.
 
General Eisenhower's Armies were facing resistance that varied from almost non-existent to fanatical[3] as they advanced towards Berlin, which was located 200 kilometers from their positions in early April 1945.

I'll say it again...the Russians were ALREADY well entrenched in Germany in April 1945.

The battle of Berlin STARTED in Jan 1945 and ended in May 1945.

I believe in Jan 1945 the Americans were fighting far to the east in the Ardennes.

On 25 April 1945, American and Soviet troops linked up at Torgau on the Elbe, north-east of Leipzig.

FYI, Liepzig is about 50 miles or so WEST of Berlin.

What I am attempting to point out to you is that Americans never reached BERLIN except to bomb the crap out of it to help the RUSSIANS take the capital.

Well partly you are right some of the territory that was taken by the russians could not be avoided, but the weak position of the allies in the Yalta agreements are responsible for a big part of Germany that was simply given to the russians for free.

Jan of 1945 marked the end of the ardennes offensive and the Russians only reached the outskirts of Berlin (they were only fighting in the outskirts not in the city itself), the germans took a gamble by throwing everything they had on the allied forces. It nearly succeeded but they gambled wrong, US forces had a clear road to Berlin. After the Ardennes offensive the Allies didn't have any major German obstacles.

Here you have the map of the situation on 15 april:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/1945-04-15GerWW2BattlefrontAtlas.jpg

The Russians were almost as far from Berlin as the Allies were. On the picture you can clearly see the result of the German gamble (the ardennes offensive) that completely broke their lines (the black arrows are the German divisions).

Also from many german soldiers who later testified said that they were willing to surrender to the allies and that most Germans were fighting so the Allied forces could take Berlin and not the russian soldiers.
 
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