The Afghanistan Quagmire Just Gets Deeper

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    All morning long and for the past week or so I’ve been reading one article after another about the Taliban gaining more control of the countryside. The latest is an article in Albawaba News titled Taliban Warns Afghan Civilians to Stay Away From 'Military Bases' in Kabul, Attacks Expected.

    I find myself asking, how does an insurgency continue to exist and exert such force after all the blood, sweat, and billions we and other countries have spent to stop such extremism from gaining power in a country with a democratically elected government?

    That’s the crux of the problem. “Democratically elected government.”

    We and the other members of the coalition continue to expect Afghanis to wish to have a democratically elected government. Our politicians seem to be unable to understand something. The majority of the 35.66 million Afghans have no idea what democracy means or even want it! They are generally uneducated and deeply indoctrinated in tribalism and Sharia Law, the mainstay of Islam. Their lives are centered around their villages, their poppy fields, and their ancestral tribal leaders. It is only a small percent of them who have advanced education and knowledge of the outside world.

    So why on earth have we been fighting there since October 2001? Nearly 18 years and the country is still torn by the horrors of war. Many reports indicate the Taliban controls almost 30% of the country. 30%! And that is only what government and coalition sources are agreeing to publicize.

    War in that country is not anything close to warfare as we westerners know it. Elders send little children wearing bombs into crowded places to blow themselves up for The Glory of Allah to slaughter all those nearby. Soldiers, supposedly loyal to the government, turn on their fellow soldiers and coalition members, civilian and military.

    How do you fight an enemy you can’t see?

    After 18 years, the Afghanis we’ve trained and supported are no better at fighting them than are we. In fact, they are as torn and bigoted as the Taliban with their deep divisions between Sunni, Shia, and Kurds. What good are our efforts if they cannot unite themselves?

    They’ve just elected an individual whose militia once fought against coalition forces to be prime minister of their government.

    What an amazing reward after 18 years of fighting!

    Is there a solution to this?

    Certainly. Let the Afghanis decide for themselves what they want and how to govern themselves. Let’s get ourselves and the coalition the hell out of there. Today! To hell with the tanks and billions worth of supply and equipment. Pack up our military and civilians and bring them home. Load them on planes and get them out of there. ASAP!!!!!

    “But what about …..?”

    Who cares? Only the politicians and CEOs running corporations making ungodly profits from or continued involvement there.

    What about you? What do you think?

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    A Cut-and-Paste Country

    We should partition Afghanistan among its neighbors, including Iran and Pashtunistan (the Taliban). Like the Hatfields and McCoys, the Muzzie hillbillies will spend the next few decades killing one another until none are left.
     
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    Afghanistan, like most of the Middle East, was fine before everybody decided to start bombing the hell out of it around 50 years ago
     
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    The former USSR helped militarized the region after they invaded and the US armed the Taliban to fight them.

    Then when they left, there was a vacuum. You had a bunch of seasoned war veterans trained by US forces and armed by them, with nothing to fight. Then they turned their eyes towards the US.

    The whole democracy thing is a sham. They don't care about that and never have cared. No, the issue is just having a presence in that region where terrorism seems to thrive. I think the thinking is, let's fight them here rather than at home.

    I'm not saying it's the right thing to do, I'm just trying to explain the method to their madness.
     
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    The only ones that want to keep the US military in the Mideast are Israel and our own neocons. our Enough is enough bring troops and equipment home. Let the arabs sort it out between themselves.
     
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    Ah yes, the only reason the US has troops in over 70 countries around the world is because of the Jews.
    Thanks for that.
     
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    Bullets don't grow on trees. I expect Mattis and Trump to say screw it and start bombing targets in Pakistan after the election.
     
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    Where the fck did I say we have troops in over 70 countries because of the Jews?
     
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    Your bigotry called for that rebuttal.
     
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    What the American people fail to comprehend is that war is the national sport of Afghanistan.

    They have been fighting invaders and occupiers for centuries. The nations oral history is centered around driving out foreigners from their land, no matter how long it takes.

    U.S. soldiers could be there 20 more years and Afghanistan would still be the same as today. ..... :cool:
     
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