The ACLU Defends Our Freedom to have Sex in Toilets

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    Thank God for the American Civil Liberties Union! This group of liberals is in the forefront of defending our freedoms.

    And now they have discovered a dangerous new threat: our right to homosexual contact in public toilets is under fire from vicious conservatives!

    But the ACLU is on the job.
    Full details here.
     
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    I’ll admit that sometimes the ACLU goes “over the top” with its civil liberties and privacy crusades. Yet, with all things considered, I’d rather have such a watchdog organization exist than not exist.

    Notice that the ACLU is helping a Republican.
     
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    Matt: I have no quarrel with some of what the ACLU does. In fact, before about 1970, I think it was almost 100% correct. (In fact, I was a member in the early 60s, recruited by my Sunday School teacher who was head of the ACLU in Houston.) In fairness, it should be noted that conservatives were not very good champions of free speech during the period that the ACLU was fighting for it.

    Then it changed, along with American liberalism, and became immune from common sense. It added leftist advocacy to its civil liberties positions, and began to specialize in dismantling our everything in our cultural heritage which finds expression in public institutions. A terrible degeneration!

    I will give the ACLU credit for being consistent. They will, pretty generally, defend the civil liberties of conservatives, although there is a wing of the ACLU -- I think the California bunch is like this -- which is not really happy about this.

    Since the serious Left is opposed to civil liberty, this creates a certain tension between them and the ACLU. The ACLU, for instance, does not go along with forbidding speech that hurts the feelings of favored minority groups, which the serious Left wants to do.

    Genuine liberals who do support across-the-board free speech, and who have retained their common sense -- old-fashioned pre-70s liberals as I see them -- ought to join the ACLU en masse and put it back on the right course.
     
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    1970 was 38 years ago.

    THe ACLU had its day. Now it's a mess and an embarassment, just like the UN.
     
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    That is rather funny and interesting. I have never agreed with entrapment, if something is done between consenting adults so be it. I give them credit for speaking up in this case.
     
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    I'd personally like to be able to go to the toilet without being importuned by the fellow in the next stall, and without hearing the gruntings and groanings of copulation while I'm trying to have a pee.

    At the end of the day, conservatism is 75% just the defense of common sense. All the stuff about liberty and Burke and so on is all very well, but really, it's just good old-fashioned common sense. Liberals used to have common sense (as compared to today, at least) but they suffered brain damage during the swinging sixties and have not yet recovered. Let's hope they do so soon.
     
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    You're right. We all have the right to walk down the street and use a public restroom without having to be a part of a sexual act.
     
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    blah blah liberals blah blah blah.


    I wonder if Doug could really discern the difference between groaning that stems from restroom sex or the aftermath of a chipotle burrito. Never miss a shot at talking shit about liberals though!


    Is the 30 something year old statute any less viable than when conservatives went spelunking to find a legal definition for Undercover Operative with Val. Plame? Funny how that works, Doug.


    I agree that sex in a public restroom (the death of the mile high club) is not what the assumed privacy should extend to. However, using this as one more reason to beat the dead horse of your hatred of liberals is about as funny as your performance in the last thread where I took you to task for similar liberal bashing. If the ACLU found an applicable law that is old and needs to be changed then go change it instead of crying about liberals and the ACLU. the ACLU didnt invent the fucking statute being quoted, did they? Should they ignore it's application just because you don't like how it reads or it's age? Jesus christ, the first amendment is over 200 years old. so what.
     
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    the only hate I'm seeing here is yours, Shogun.
     
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    of course! you share his opinion of liberals.


    now, lets not make this about me. Rather, tell me what kind of statue of limitation we need to apply to legal presedence, Allie. Why is it that a 30 year old definition of an undercover operative is acceptable when the above legal criteria is not? Are you telling me that you DONT expect privacy when taking a shit in a public restroom? Do you expect a saleman to knock on the door just when you sit down? While I do not agree that public restroom are places where people have the RIGHT to have sex and do agree that private businesses have every RIGHT to kick out such patrons I want to know how on earth the AGE of a valid law has anything to do with the ACLU when conservatives did the same damn thing when trying to define what an outed agent is.

    If anything, the ACLU is consistent as the day is long. If the law is bad then change the law instead of blaming the ACLU for using APPLICABLE LAW.
     

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