The 50 most developed countries in the world and Universal Healthcare.

[U2Edge]

If there is a country with a better military than the United States military out there, name it.

That Murica can bomb the fuck out of everyone better than anyone on the globe, is irrelevant to the fact that the Pentagon is one of the most wasteful and corrupt parts of the entire Alphabet Soup Mafia....That you'd use it as a model of "success" just shows how disconnected you are from anything resembling reality...Oh, and the VA sucks donkey balls.

Its #1 at what it does and uses a fraction of the money the U.S. health care system does which is 34th in the world based on the life expectancy of its citizens.

The 34th ranking isn't based solely on life expectancy, nimrod. And life expectancy isn't determined solely by the quality of your healthcare system. After achieving a certain minimum, it's largely based on diet and habits like smoking or drinking.

Europeans smoke and drink more than Americans on average.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

False narrative. Communist Russia and Nazi Germany also had national government healthcare.

Merrucca doesn't need universal healthcare, we have god!

Naw, he was kicked out a long time ago too.

 

[2aguy]

Below are the 50 most developed countries in the world ranked according to the UN Human Development index which measures development and standard of living through estimates of GDP per capita, life expectancy, and education. There are a total of 197 countries in the world today. 193 of those countries are part of the United Nations. 45 out of the 50 most developed countries in the world below provide UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE for its citizens, essentially medicare for all. The following are the five countries from the list below that do not:

01. Cyprus
02. United Arab Emirates
03. Qatar
04. Bahrain
05. United States

Cyprus is currently In the process of moving to a Universal Healthcare system which will be completed in a few years. That will leave the United States alone with three Arab countries as being the only countries, of the 50 most developed in the world, that do not have Universal HealthCare.

Why does the United States, the wealthiest country in the world and the 3rd wealthiest per captia country, still not provide Universal Healthcare for its citizens? How could anyone say that Universal HealthCare is impossible or too expensive for the United States when nearly all of the 50 most developed countries in the world provide it for its citizens?


50 MOST DEVELOPED COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD RANKED:

01 - Norway
02 - Switzerland
03 - Australia
04 - Ireland
05 - Germany
06 - Iceland
07 - San Marino
08 - Sweden
09 - Singapore
10 - Netherlands
11 - Denmark
12 Canada
13 - United States
14 - United Kingdom
15 - Monaco
16 - Vatican City
17 - Finland
18 - New Zealand
19 - Belgium
20 - Liechtenstein
21 - Japan
22 - Austria
23 - Luxembourg
24 - Israel
25 - Taiwan
26 - South Korea
27 - France
28 - Slovenia
29 - Spain
30 - Czech Republic
31 - Italy
32 - Malta
33 - Estonia
34 - Greece
35 - Cyprus
36 - Poland
37 - United Arab Emirates
38 - Andorra
39 - Lithuania
40 - Qatar
41 - Slovakia
42 - Brunei
43 - Saudi Arabia
44 - Latvia
45 - Portugal
46 - Bahrain
47 - Chile
48 - Hungary
49 - Croatia
50 - Argentina

Yes....and the only way they can afford their health care? The United States protects them with our military...and our nation provides all the drug research and medical innovation. Without us protecting them and providing them with miracle medicine, they wouldn't have anything.....and in fact, their universal healthcare systems are still poorly run and running out of money.......there is no free lunch....but the socialists will never realize that.

If we go to Universal Healthcare without market forces.....the healthcare systems of the welfare nations will collapse.....we will no longer be able to protect them from each other, and from Russia and China....they will have to pony up for their own national defense.....and their medical systems will stagnate and never advance....

In terms of actual combat brigades on the ground in Europe, main battle tanks, artillery, helicopters, combat aircraft, European countries outnumber the total U.S. forces that are stationed in Europe. So they are actually as whole providing for most of their defense. We actually need to base more troops in Europe given Russians actions over the past few years.

What a joke...without the U.S., Europe would be speaking Russian, and Asia would be under China's boot......and they would be invading each other the way they did before the U.S. became a world power......

And again, the only reason they have the medical drugs they have is the U.S....where our drug companies spend on average 2.6 billion dollars per new drug just to get them to trial...so the welfare states can take the finished drugs and charge pennies for them in their own country, leaching off of the innovation, investment and hard work of American drug makers...

 

[bripat9643]

Well, there is a lot of capitalism among those 50 most developed countries. I mean, most Billionaires in the world live in those 50 most developed countries. Most of the large private Business's, Large corporations, multi-national corporations in the world are located in those 50 most developed countries. I would also say that most business activity in the world and most profit is made in those 50 most developed countries. With the exception of five of them, all of them provide Universal Healthcare of their citizens. Rather than being unusual, Universal Healthcare is a common feature among wealthy, developed, capitalist, democratic countries.

There are only five oddballs that don't provide among the 50:

01. Cyprus - within 5 years Cyprus will have Universal Healthcare
02. Bahrain
03. United Arab Emirates
04. Qatar
05. United States

I think the United States has a lot to learn from the other 49 most developed countries in the world.

Look no further than the VA if you want to see how "Universal Health Care" would go. Only it would be twice as bad as the VA.

Well, with Universal Healthcare in Japan, Italy and France, the people there live longer than in the United States. Works just fine, everyone is covered, and those countries only spend half of what the United States does on healthcare as a percentage of GDP.

Then move

Problem solved

I'm interested in making my country a better place to live. I wanted it to be #1 in healthcare and quality of life.

Then you want to be proactive and not reactive. We are the fattest country in the world. That is unhealthy and causes the shorter life spans. A ton of fast food and bad eats joints. Bad food costs less. Tackle that instead of universal healthcare because everyone in every party likely agrees that the country is fat

We also have a hoard of illegal immigrants who do things like get pregnant when they are 14.

 

[2aguy]

(1) The United States Constitution forbids Congress (the branch that spends money) from establishing a compulsory healthcare system. It would take a Constitutional Amendment for the U.S. to adopt universal healthcare. This is no small point; it is determinative of the issue. And given the requirements for a Constitutional Amendment, it will not happen in the next 25 years, at least.

(2) Essentially all of the "developed" countries who have adopted "universal" healthcare did so before the creation of a vast medical "industry" delivering the professional and skilled services and drugs, and utilizing the incredibly expensive diagnostic and treatment tools that exist today. In the U.S., the market has spawned and mandated a vast network of for-profit, non-profit, and charitable "industries" that deliver the necessary treatments and whatnot that are required. THEREFORE, to try to CONVERT our current healthcare delivery industry to something controlled and paid for by Government would create the WORST of ALL WORLDS. Horribly expensive care delivered by government employees. Corruption and graft, fraud, waste, and abuse at previously unheard of levels. Literally, the worst of all worlds. And not to get ethnic about, the biggest thieves and exploiters would be the foreign-born doctors, as demonstrated in the Medicare and Medicaid fraud experience currently.

(3) The vast majority of Americans are satisfied with their healthcare. They get health insurance through an employer, or they are on Medicare or Medicaid, and they pretty much get all the medical care they need. The people who are "suffering" are the outliers with crappy jobs who make "too much" for one set of benefits, but "not enough" for the care they want. But these are a small minority.

Finally (4), in spite of all the criticism, the U.S. is absolutely in the top tier of healthcare delivery in the world. Most of the complaints are based on cherry-picked statistics (e.g., infant mortality, which most countries lie about), and there is no better country in which to try to survive cancer, heart disease, stroke, and so on. No better country in which to need a transplant, elective surgery, or non-emergency surgery.

Every healthcare system has its "sweet spots" and areas where it falls short. Life has inevitable tradeoffs. Is it any wonder that Leftists are the ones constantly complaining about this sort of thing? Complain about insoluble or non-existent "problems," then blame Conservatives for impeding "progress." Constant, repetitive bullshit; that's all they are good for.

The current for profit healthcare system is bankrupting the country. We spend more per person on healthcare than any country in the world and we are at 34th in terms of life expectancy. As percentage of GDP, health care spending per year is 22%. Compare that to military spending which is only 4% of annual GDP. If your are RICH, upper middle class, you can get excellent care in the United States equal to many other countries in the world, but you'll pay twice as much for it here as you would in other countries.

Most of the U.S. population is moving towards the Democratic party when it comes to managing healthcare. You'll see more moves towards Universal Healthcare after the Democrats take back the Senate and White House in 2020. Its pathetic that the United States is one of only 5 of the 50 most developed countries in the world not to provide its citizens with Universal Healthcare. But I believe change is coming. Support for Universal healthcare in the United States is much higher today than it was 20 years ago.

Wrong......just like your cell phone, competition increases quality and lowers the price....we have too much interference in our healthcare system by the government.....

Those welfare states around the world are bankrupting their countries with their socialized medicine..without us, they can't even afford what they have...

 

[U2Edge]

If there is a country with a better military than the United States military out there, name it.

That Murica can bomb the fuck out of everyone better than anyone on the globe, is irrelevant to the fact that the Pentagon is one of the most wasteful and corrupt parts of the entire Alphabet Soup Mafia....That you'd use it as a model of "success" just shows how disconnected you are from anything resembling reality...Oh, and the VA sucks donkey balls.

Its #1 at what it does and uses a fraction of the money the U.S. health care system does which is 34th in the world based on the life expectancy of its citizens.

Irrelevant to the fact that the Pentagon is as inefficient, wasteful, and corrupt an agency that you can find....And it treats its own people -the troops- like total shit.

But I can understand why a bootlicking neocon tool like you would try to use it as evidence of "success"...You just love you some crony corporatism at home and do-gooder meddling abroad.

The Pentagon beats the U.S. private health care system in terms of performance and especially in terms of cost.

 

[Lesh]

Yea...because "god fearing" white trash girls never do that right?

Oh wait...they do. All over the place

 

[2aguy]

Below are the 50 most developed countries in the world ranked according to the UN Human Development index which measures development and standard of living through estimates of GDP per capita, life expectancy, and education. There are a total of 197 countries in the world today. 193 of those countries are part of the United Nations. 45 out of the 50 most developed countries in the world below provide UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE for its citizens, essentially medicare for all. The following are the five countries from the list below that do not:

01. Cyprus
02. United Arab Emirates
03. Qatar
04. Bahrain
05. United States

Cyprus is currently In the process of moving to a Universal Healthcare system which will be completed in a few years. That will leave the United States alone with three Arab countries as being the only countries, of the 50 most developed in the world, that do not have Universal HealthCare.

Why does the United States, the wealthiest country in the world and the 3rd wealthiest per captia country, still not provide Universal Healthcare for its citizens? How could anyone say that Universal HealthCare is impossible or too expensive for the United States when nearly all of the 50 most developed countries in the world provide it for its citizens?


50 MOST DEVELOPED COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD RANKED:

01 - Norway
02 - Switzerland
03 - Australia
04 - Ireland
05 - Germany
06 - Iceland
07 - San Marino
08 - Sweden
09 - Singapore
10 - Netherlands
11 - Denmark
12 Canada
13 - United States
14 - United Kingdom
15 - Monaco
16 - Vatican City
17 - Finland
18 - New Zealand
19 - Belgium
20 - Liechtenstein
21 - Japan
22 - Austria
23 - Luxembourg
24 - Israel
25 - Taiwan
26 - South Korea
27 - France
28 - Slovenia
29 - Spain
30 - Czech Republic
31 - Italy
32 - Malta
33 - Estonia
34 - Greece
35 - Cyprus
36 - Poland
37 - United Arab Emirates
38 - Andorra
39 - Lithuania
40 - Qatar
41 - Slovakia
42 - Brunei
43 - Saudi Arabia
44 - Latvia
45 - Portugal
46 - Bahrain
47 - Chile
48 - Hungary
49 - Croatia
50 - Argentina

Yes....and the only way they can afford their health care? The United States protects them with our military...and our nation provides all the drug research and medical innovation. Without us protecting them and providing them with miracle medicine, they wouldn't have anything.....and in fact, their universal healthcare systems are still poorly run and running out of money.......there is no free lunch....but the socialists will never realize that.

If we go to Universal Healthcare without market forces.....the healthcare systems of the welfare nations will collapse.....we will no longer be able to protect them from each other, and from Russia and China....they will have to pony up for their own national defense.....and their medical systems will stagnate and never advance....

In terms of actual combat brigades on the ground in Europe, main battle tanks, artillery, helicopters, combat aircraft, European countries outnumber the total U.S. forces that are stationed in Europe. So they are actually as whole providing for most of their defense. We actually need to base more troops in Europe given Russians actions over the past few years.

Europe can't protect itself...and it is running out of money for their welfare programs....


Ground force: Half of France's military planes 'unfit to fly'

French warplanes and helicopters may be battling jihadists in the deserts of Africa and the Middle East, but the French Air Force on the whole is in a disastrous state, with 56 per cent of all its aircraft unfit to fly at any given moment, according to a senior minister.

“If I compare the current situation … of our planes with a car, it is as if I wanted to have a car every morning that works, I would have to own four cars,” Florence Parly, the armed forces minister, said during a visit to an air base in Evreux in Normandy.

She made the remark in a scathing speech about the state of the French fleet, where aircraft availability has gone from bad to worse despite a 25 per cent boost to the maintenance budget over the past five years that brought the total to €4 billion (£3.5 billion) in 2017.

 

[bripat9643]

If there is a country with a better military than the United States military out there, name it.

That Murica can bomb the fuck out of everyone better than anyone on the globe, is irrelevant to the fact that the Pentagon is one of the most wasteful and corrupt parts of the entire Alphabet Soup Mafia....That you'd use it as a model of "success" just shows how disconnected you are from anything resembling reality...Oh, and the VA sucks donkey balls.

Its #1 at what it does and uses a fraction of the money the U.S. health care system does which is 34th in the world based on the life expectancy of its citizens.

The 34th ranking isn't based solely on life expectancy, nimrod. And life expectancy isn't determined solely by the quality of your healthcare system. After achieving a certain minimum, it's largely based on diet and habits like smoking or drinking.

Europeans smoke and drink more than Americans on average.

They are a lot skinnier than Americans, and they don't have hoards of pregnant teenage girls running around.

 

[2aguy]

If there is a country with a better military than the United States military out there, name it.

That Murica can bomb the fuck out of everyone better than anyone on the globe, is irrelevant to the fact that the Pentagon is one of the most wasteful and corrupt parts of the entire Alphabet Soup Mafia....That you'd use it as a model of "success" just shows how disconnected you are from anything resembling reality...Oh, and the VA sucks donkey balls.

Its #1 at what it does and uses a fraction of the money the U.S. health care system does which is 34th in the world based on the life expectancy of its citizens.

Irrelevant to the fact that the Pentagon is as inefficient, wasteful, and corrupt an agency that you can find....And it treats its own people -the troops- like total shit.

But I can understand why a bootlicking neocon tool like you would try to use it as evidence of "success"...You just love you some crony corporatism at home and do-gooder meddling abroad.

The Pentagon beats the U.S. private health care system in terms of performance and especially in terms of cost.

Are you nuts? The VA is one of the worst healthcare systems in the World........you have no idea what you are talking about.....

 

[danielpalos]

Look no further than the VA if you want to see how "Universal Health Care" would go. Only it would be twice as bad as the VA.

Well, with Universal Healthcare in Japan, Italy and France, the people there live longer than in the United States. Works just fine, everyone is covered, and those countries only spend half of what the United States does on healthcare as a percentage of GDP.

Then move

Problem solved

I'm interested in making my country a better place to live. I wanted it to be #1 in healthcare and quality of life.

Then you want to be proactive and not reactive. We are the fattest country in the world. That is unhealthy and causes the shorter life spans. A ton of fast food and bad eats joints. Bad food costs less. Tackle that instead of universal healthcare because everyone in every party likely agrees that the country is fat

We also have a hoard of illegal immigrants who do things like get pregnant when they are 14.

free contraception to help women Only get pregnant by mr Right, regardless of how much she tries with all of the other ones!

 

[Oddball]

Are you nuts? The VA is one of the worst healthcare systems in the World........you have no idea what you are talking about.....

And he wants to deploy more troops in Europe, to guard against RUSSIA!

He's certifiably insane.

 

[Oddball]

If there is a country with a better military than the United States military out there, name it.

That Murica can bomb the fuck out of everyone better than anyone on the globe, is irrelevant to the fact that the Pentagon is one of the most wasteful and corrupt parts of the entire Alphabet Soup Mafia....That you'd use it as a model of "success" just shows how disconnected you are from anything resembling reality...Oh, and the VA sucks donkey balls.

Its #1 at what it does and uses a fraction of the money the U.S. health care system does which is 34th in the world based on the life expectancy of its citizens.

Irrelevant to the fact that the Pentagon is as inefficient, wasteful, and corrupt an agency that you can find....And it treats its own people -the troops- like total shit.

But I can understand why a bootlicking neocon tool like you would try to use it as evidence of "success"...You just love you some crony corporatism at home and do-gooder meddling abroad.

The Pentagon beats the U.S. private health care system in terms of performance and especially in terms of cost.

Said it before, I'll say it again.

You....are.....goddamned.....insane.

 

[U2Edge]

Well, there is a lot of capitalism among those 50 most developed countries. I mean, most Billionaires in the world live in those 50 most developed countries. Most of the large private Business's, Large corporations, multi-national corporations in the world are located in those 50 most developed countries. I would also say that most business activity in the world and most profit is made in those 50 most developed countries. With the exception of five of them, all of them provide Universal Healthcare of their citizens. Rather than being unusual, Universal Healthcare is a common feature among wealthy, developed, capitalist, democratic countries.

There are only five oddballs that don't provide among the 50:

01. Cyprus - within 5 years Cyprus will have Universal Healthcare
02. Bahrain
03. United Arab Emirates
04. Qatar
05. United States

I think the United States has a lot to learn from the other 49 most developed countries in the world.

Look no further than the VA if you want to see how "Universal Health Care" would go. Only it would be twice as bad as the VA.

Well, with Universal Healthcare in Japan, Italy and France, the people there live longer than in the United States. Works just fine, everyone is covered, and those countries only spend half of what the United States does on healthcare as a percentage of GDP.

Then move

Problem solved

I'm interested in making my country a better place to live. I wanted it to be #1 in healthcare and quality of life.

Then you want to be proactive and not reactive. We are the fattest country in the world. That is unhealthy and causes the shorter life spans. A ton of fast food and bad eats joints. Bad food costs less. Tackle that instead of universal healthcare because everyone in every party likely agrees that the country is fat

Universal Healthcare is the best way to make progress on the overweight/obese issue. Most of the overweight/obese issues are with people in poverty or in the lower class with no health insurance at all.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

And yet, the U.S. is still the #1 destination of immigrants from around the world.

 

[Jitss617]

They don’t have open borders, they don’t have 22 million illegals they don’t have 350 million citizens.. advocating violence towards another posted edited out

 

[bripat9643]

Yea...because "god fearing" white trash girls never do that right?

Oh wait...they do. All over the place

 

[U2Edge]

Wtf does that even mean?

Well first it means that you are uninformed.
Secondly it is the reason Americans can't have nice things via their taxes.

All countries have dumb shit like that, yet still manage to fund healthcare for all. Except the richest country in the world.

The collapse of the housing & auto industry nearly brought our country to its knees fiscally and you want to double down on the fiscal stupidity.

Simply unreal

We got fucked by the banks. And because of that you don't want universal healthcare. Not logical.

You try to equate universal healthcare to life longevity. People around the globe lead different lifestyles and have a WIDE variety in diet and exercise. Those are the reasons for longer life.
So spare me the bullshit about me lacking logic

You cannot separate a countries health care system and the life expectancy of its people. Whether a nation is healthy is best determined by life expectancy. Healthcare plays a vital role in extending life.

 

[boedicca]

Look no further than the VA if you want to see how "Universal Health Care" would go. Only it would be twice as bad as the VA.

Well, with Universal Healthcare in Japan, Italy and France, the people there live longer than in the United States. Works just fine, everyone is covered, and those countries only spend half of what the United States does on healthcare as a percentage of GDP.

Then move

Problem solved

I'm interested in making my country a better place to live. I wanted it to be #1 in healthcare and quality of life.

Then you want to be proactive and not reactive. We are the fattest country in the world. That is unhealthy and causes the shorter life spans. A ton of fast food and bad eats joints. Bad food costs less. Tackle that instead of universal healthcare because everyone in every party likely agrees that the country is fat

Universal Healthcare is the best way to make progress on the overweight/obese issue. Most of the overweight/obese issues are with people in poverty or in the lower class with no health insurance at all.

Yes, the Universal Healthcare Overlords will deal with the obesity issue by denying health care services to the fatties, thus causing them to die off much earlier. They'll do the same to the Aged, and anyone with expensive chronic conditions.

For the Common Good, donchaknow.

 

[danielpalos]

We have a "national Uniformed Health Service". Why does the Right Wing, allege health care for the People is not an obligation for the general government of the Union.