CDZ The 2nd Amendment

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    Found this....

    The Second Amendment was based partially on the right to keep and bear arms in English common law and was influenced by the English Bill of Rights of 1689. Sir William Blackstone described this right as an auxiliary right, supporting the natural rights of self-defense and resistance to oppression, and the civic duty to act in concert in defense of the state.[9]

    Wikipedia of all places!!

    Second Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

    Armed Americans are free Americans. Don't let anyone tell you different.
     
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    No matter how many times they keep repeating it, I guess so they don't forget...??
     
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    Not a fan of the 'natural rights' rubbish, no such thing, and as far as the Constitution goes, states' rights reflect original intent, and the individual states could and did pass laws restricting ownership of firearms, just as they did laws giving preferences and taxing powers to specific religious denominations. I'm not now or ever was personally a fan of the 'states' rights' legal status, but that was the way it was set up, and some consistency is needed in legal precedents, otherwise one ends up with what we have now, rule by judicial whim and fiat, i.e. a lot of political hack appointees with mental illnesses, and assorted fetishists, and half-wits with high esteem making unilateral proclamations, not a functioning legal system.

    There is no rule of law, even in lower courts, for most Americans now, so also no respect for government functions and no binding obligations or support for laws any more.

    Congratulations on the Third World corruption levels and two Parties run by vile traitors who can't gets themselves enough of Red China and it's 'capitalist system'(snicker); you think Venezuela is bad, do you? ....
     
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    Are you saying you don't have a right to live?
     
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    Are you trying to be clever? If so, come up with better strawmen.

    The 'natural rights' rubbish is an 'Enlightenment' era fiction dreamed up to avoid giving credit to the long march of pagan Greeks and their philosophies, through the Greek influence on Judaism, from there through the long rise of Christian influences on law, culture, traditions, and society. It's just that simple. No such thing as 'Natural Rights', it's just some rubbish sophistry invented by Catholic bashers, trying to peddle moral relativism and other stupid regressive concepts as 'valid'. All the silly fad of 'rationalism' has managed to produce is mass murderers like Hitler, Mao, and Stalin.
     
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    Do you know about the English Bill of Rights? It didn't apply to most English people. Just the rich.

    "Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law;"

    Yes, Protestants, not anyone else, may have arms for their defence "as allowed by law", so, if the law said "you can't have arms", then the right meant nothing.
     
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    The Courts Have Decided Along The Way
    They Have Jurisdiction To Rule On Anything
    The Precedent Becomes The Law Everywhere

    The Courts Have Become Our Mullas
    Declaring Law By Decree
    Sam Alito Insinuated That In His Dissent With The ACA Ruling
     
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    And get Congress has the ability to change those laws.

    It's how the separation of powers work.
     
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    You have a natural right to life, but you are saying you don't have a right to live
     
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    The Constitution Is Real Easy To Just Change Through The Legislatures

    That's Why Radicals Need The Courts

    SCOTUS Has Said There Are Penumbras Within Our Constitution

    That's How Roe v Wade
    Was Found Within The Constitution

    And The Legislature Doesn't Have Time
    To Scribble Up New Legislation
    To Over-Turn Precedent Rulings
    To The Satisfaction Of The Courts That Set Them

    Pretty Simplistic Assertion, fridgid....
     

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