The 27% problem

[loosecannon]

Ms. Tucker has just laid her finger directly on one of the two most important stories of our time; that a mass of the American public (27% of the population? 75% of the GOP? A horde perhaps the size of modern Germany?) aren’t simply mistaken or misunderstood or misled by villainous men.

They are unfit citizens. They are Bad Americans.

They are the evil gift that keeps on giving. The residue of centuries of impacted racism, Dominionism, homophobia and assorted other spices, set ablaze by to warm the electoral ambition of everyone from George Wallace to George Bush.

They are pandered to and flattered by Fox teevee and Hate Radio, and they are all gathered conspicuously together under the same political banner.

There is finally no other explanation that will bear the weight of the fact of the short, catastrophic arc of the Bush Administration and the longer, brutal malevolence of the 30 Year Long March of the Wingnut GOP.

The good men have long since fled the Party. The barely adequate men have fled the Party.

Hell, anyone who can swirl a shotglass-full of synapses and not come up with “Commie fem’nazi queers” as the punchline to every joke and the answer to every question has fled the Party.

The honest answer to the question raised by Frank Luntz – “Why do Republicans keep winning if their candidates are so shitty?” – is that the GOP base is morally subhuman at a deep and probably incurable level.

http://driftglass.blogspot.com/2007/05/27-problem_4917.html

That selling fascism to brownshirts and racism to intractable bigots is like any other kind of narcotics trafficking. Like selling hillbilly heroin to Limbaugh. Users are not necessarily going to score out loud and in public, but they don't exactly need a whole lotta persuasion to get them to buy and mainline the lethal shit the Right is slinging.

Luntz’s “solution” is the most recent GOP Talking Point being handed around the Conservative Pundit glory holes as eagerly as Hillary snuff porn anime: That Liberals need to stop being so “angry”.

When your party is led by outright lunatics and liars, traitors and thieves…

When after thirty years your base can only take nourishment suckling on the poison that oozes from Cheney’s bile sacs, Coulter’s fangs, Hannity’s tongue, O’Reilly’s wheezing pores, Falwell’s ingrown soul…

When your official cult house organs have been spewing raw hatred it the noosphere for thiry years…

...and your advice is that the other side who have finally had it with playing nice with these moral locusts are” too angry”?

It boggles the mind.

But then again, Luntz isn’t stupid; he knows perfectly well that he serves evil. He simply doesn’t care. Selling out his country is a good buck

 

[Truthmatters]

Im not ready to give up on that 27% theyare my fellow Americans.

They have brains and the live in a great country.

They are just mired in a mind set that they CAN overcome.

The truth can even reach them.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

http://driftglass.blogspot.com/2007/05/27-problem_4917.html

Ahh yes that whole " we are smarter and better than you" mentality. It IS what lets Liberals make laws that they have no intention of following themselves, of lying to the electorate ( all for our own good) And of course the chance to call anyone that doesn't bow down and worship the inherent superiority of Liberals a Nazi.

Democracy and freedom ARE threatened, but it isn't from republicans, nor the majority of voters that are uncommitted,. nor even of a lot of democrats. The threat is the people that actually think and believe this garbage. The "Intellectual" superior Liberals that actually believe that they are morally better and smarter than anyone else and that ANY means is acceptable to "just help" those of the vast Majority of society that just can't be trusted to run their affairs or that of a Country.

 

[Truthmatters]

I guess you didnt read my post huh?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I guess you didnt read my post huh?

Did I mention you by name? If you don't believe it, good for you. Doesn't change the fact that certain Liberals DO believe it. JUST the fact it is posted here PROVES that.

More to the point a large segment ( in my opinion) of the Liberal leadership of the democratic party BELIEVE it.The Republicans ran out their far right "supporters" a while back. You won't find very many Republicans that actually believe they should deny freedom to others, all of course in the guise of "helping" them. Nor do mainstream republicans routinely call Liberals Communists or Nazis. And you will find that most republicans don't think Liberals are mentally challenged, even when we call you stupid.

You won't find many mainstream Republicans making claims that Liberals are inherently evil either, nor commissioning studies to "prove" that republicans are "smarter" or more fit to run for and exersize the power of elected office.

 

[Dirt McGirt]

The fallacy here is that the other 70% (est.) who don't give Bush a favorable approval rating don't all agree with each other. I'd say of the 70% who think of Bush unfavorably, about two thirds of them are probably idiots.

 

[loosecannon]

Ahh yes that whole " we are smarter and better than you" mentality. It IS what lets Liberals make laws that they have no intention of following themselves, of lying to the electorate ( all for our own good) And of course the chance to call anyone that doesn't bow down and worship the inherent superiority of Liberals a Nazi.

Democracy and freedom ARE threatened, but it isn't from republicans, nor the majority of voters that are uncommitted,. nor even of a lot of democrats. The threat is the people that actually think and believe this garbage. The "Intellectual" superior Liberals that actually believe that they are morally better and smarter than anyone else and that ANY means is acceptable to "just help" those of the vast Majority of society that just can't be trusted to run their affairs or that of a Country.

Hate to let you in on a harsh secret RGS, but what you just described applies to a whole lot of groups from the heritage Foundation to the TriLaterals to the PNAC crew that holds the WH hostage, even to the central banks of every nation.

The elite power brokers always believe that the masses are incapable of governing themselves and must be lied to in order to provide for their "best interests". As if it was charity that mobilized their efforts.

And the large majority of those elites have been wealthy, right leaning and in this nation republicans.

Bush especially. His self proclaimed base is "the have's and the have more's".

And FWIW the educated elites are smarter. It is a qualification of the title.

 

[Dirt McGirt]

Ahh yes that whole " we are smarter and better than you" mentality...

I don't think I'm smarter than everyone else...but I have encountered a lot of people who are dumber than me.

 

[loosecannon]

I don't think I'm smarter than everyone else...but I have encountered a lot of people who are dumber than me.

Do you consider yourself either a liberal or a democrat?

 

[Dirt McGirt]

Do you consider yourself either a liberal or a democrat?

No, I lean left on some issues and right on others. But I like to sit in the middle of the road and fling shit at the nutjobs on both sides of the aisles.

 

[hjmick]

No, I lean left on some issues and right on others. But I like to sit in the middle of the road and fling shit at the nutjobs on both sides of the aisles.

Bullshit. You hate America and our freedoms.

 

[loosecannon]

Bullshit. You hate America and our freedoms.

iow he opposes bush and/or the war

 

[hjmick]

iow he opposes bush and/or the war

I'm just giving Dirt a poke. He and I go back some.

 

[Vintij]

The average IQ of americans is 98.

Its expected to be 94, by 2030.

We are not the smartest voters around are we?

Couple more decades and we will be on par with Iraq, whos average IQ is 81.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Well except for the Mensa elite that are all Liberals of course.

 

[Dirt McGirt]

iow he opposes bush and/or the war

I think Bush is doing a terrible job as President. I gave him a lot of leeway and the benefit of the doubt up until 2004. I acknowledge that he's had to face more challenges than any other President in modern times but that doesn't excuse some of his decisions and non-decisions. I don't know anyone who can say that Bush or Congress is using every resource at our disposal and doing every thing they can for the military to win this war. I think there are other Republicans, like John McCain, Jeb Bush, or Colin Powell, who could have done a much better job and gotten more from our country if they had been elected.

I don't necessarily oppose the war, so much as I object to how it's run. I was for the war in 2002-2003 based on the WMD implications. When those WMD's didn't turn up, I was upset but I was willing to move forward and concentrate on rebuilding Iraq and bringing Democracy to the people. I was for sending 100,000 more troops to Iraq two years ago, but my patience has worn thin as of late. I think we're at the point where we need to take on a secondary role, pull back to the borders, redeploy some of our forces to Afghanistan, while gradually drawing down the main force.

 

[Dirt McGirt]

I'm just giving Dirt a poke. He and I go back some.

Dude, that sounds soooo gay at first glance.

 

[hjmick]

Dude, that sounds soooo gay at first glance.

LOL. Ya think? LMAO

 

[Dirt McGirt]

LOL. Ya think? LMAO

Guinness at the Manhole on me.

 

[loosecannon]

I think Bush is doing a terrible job as President. I gave him a lot of leeway and the benefit of the doubt up until 2004. I acknowledge that he's had to face more challenges than any other President in modern times but that doesn't excuse some of his decisions and non-decisions. I don't know anyone who can say that Bush or Congress is using every resource at our disposal and doing every thing they can for the military to win this war. I think there are other Republicans, like John McCain, Jeb Bush, or Colin Powell, who could have done a much better job and gotten more from our country if they had been elected.

I don't necessarily oppose the war, so much as I object to how it's run. I was for the war in 2002-2003 based on the WMD implications. When those WMD's didn't turn up, I was upset but I was willing to move forward and concentrate on rebuilding Iraq and bringing Democracy to the people. I was for sending 100,000 more troops to Iraq two years ago, but my patience has worn thin as of late. I think we're at the point where we need to take on a secondary role, pull back to the borders, redeploy some of our forces to Afghanistan, while gradually drawing down the main force.

thanks for the reasoned response.

I knew before the war that there were no WMD. I knew we were lied to when Powell addressed the UN.

My patience is long gone.