The 10th Amendment

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    It seems that you contradict yourself in the post. The original intent was the constitution. Yet only recently has SCOTUS begin to interpret laws. So the design was changed by SCOTUS, long after the founders design.
     
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    Still waiting for you to cite the clause in the Constitution that gives Congress the power to enact legislation involving health care.
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    Agreed.

    But that means that the SCOTUS could have also said there was nothing for them to rule against and just leave it alone. At that point, each state could have essentially killed it with other laws and the SCOTUS again would have left it alone.

    Roe is certainly a place where the SCOTUS stepped into something it had no place in. Abortion had been the purview of the states for over a century.

    And let's not get started with the MoFo's that FDR appointed so his precious depression extending "New Screw (of the people)" could be kept in statue.
     
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    I was just reading some stuff on the Supremacy Clause. I was wondering if the left utilized this gem as justification ?
     
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    Um... how so?
     
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    You won't get it because he has already provided it MANY pages ago. The core problem is not that he does not have the clause but that he reads the constitution in a warped and incorrect manner. The left in general views the constitution as a document outlining what the government cannot do - a correct reading of the BoR but NOT the articles -rather than what the government CAN do. IOW, the left bellies the government can do anything that it wants as long as it is not specifically denied that power. Unfortunately, that earnestly means that the constitution is meanings as that interpretation gives the government ultimate power.

    The moss of thing about it is that the one area where that is a valid concept (the BoR), that thought process is abandoned.

    It is the problem that most of these debates have - we are speaking two different languages.
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    Okay maybe without professional derail the train trolls less active, we can refocus on an interesting topic?

    It is a fact that both TR Roosevelt and FDR packed the courts with administration friendly judges who would reward those appointments by giving the President what he wanted from them. And of course what both wanted was to change the most important thing the Constitution and the 10th Amendment were intended to do: limit the size and scope of the federal goverment.

    TRR stood the Constitution on his head when, with the assistance of those judges, he declared that the federal government was not restricted by what the Constitution allowed it to do, but was restricted only by what the Constitution specifically forbade it to do. That in effect did away with the 10th Amendment. And TRR was so personally popular, that even those who were frightened by this power grab were afraid to strongly oppose him.

    That is what started the snowball rolling, small and unalarming at first. It got a huge shove with FDR's new deal and has been picking up size and speed ever since until it has become this enormous, ever expanding, unfathomable, and unmanageable, and apparently unstoppable monstrosity of a government that we now have.
     
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    I guess that was the point of the OP, Fox. Will Republicans start acting like the 10th means anything. If they do, it will have to be at a local level.
     
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    The Republicans are as corrupt as the Democrats so far as looking to their own self interest--their power, prestige, influence, longevity that produces massive wealth, etc.--as are the Democrats. This is not a partisan issue and I lose respect for anybody who tries to make it a partisan issue. This is an American issue. A freedom issue. And if the 10th is to mean anything, it has to be we the people using what very little power is left to us who demands that it be restored as intended. As long as we try to blame the other guy and make excuses while demonizing this group or that group and don't assume the responsibility the Constitution tried to give us, we are screwed.
     
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    This. It is what I was stating way earlier - the Republican party as a whole simply is no better. They have defended big government cronyism almost as fervently as the democrats. There is where change needs to start, within the party or with a new one. Yes, the local level is also where you stay this but the running theme grip the OP has been how republicans change this and I think that unfortunately the republicans are part of the problem.

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