The 10 Year Tax Lie

[Murf76]

The point is that Barack Obama has no ability to LEAD, no influence, no leadership skills. Then again, he never ran so much as a hot dog stand or worked a real job, so no one is much surprised.

you keep saying that, but it flies in the face of facts - such as the fact that he has fostered more legislation and more initiatives through congress than any president in the modern era.

And no... Obama didn't "sit down to negotiate" in any sort of honest fashion. He handed it off to Nancy Pelosi and her comrades in the House. He's thumbed his nose at the notion of bipartisanship at every turn, and then has the unmitigated gall to whine like a child because Republicans aren't falling on their knees to lick his socialist ass and support his efforts to "fundamentally transform" America.

So all those Republican measures added to the bill after meetings at the White House - he didn't play any part in those ?

Lol. OK then.

In reference to your insistence that our unfunded liabilities don't exist... well, that's why people don't actually expect your party to get off its commie ass and actually do anything to preserve the entitlements you purport to believe in. Don't be surprised when we're swearing in President Romney in January... because he DOES recognize the need to repair our broken safety net and he DOES understand how to implement leadership, as witnessed by his governorship in Massachusetts with an 85% Democrat legislature and by his leadership at the fiscally successful Salt Lake Olympics.

Yes, in Massachusetts he almost led the nation among the worst job creation numbers and he passed a healthcare plan that he now vehemently opposes.

And in Salt Lake, he got a huge government bailout to save the games. Nice work!

So where the hell is his budget then? Great leader like him... why weren't these tax increases on the so-called "rich" passed when he had majorities in Congress? Where are the reforms of our broken entitlements?

You people are totally full of shit... because you simply CAN'T answer those questions. How's he supposed to fix our economy with a paltry 28 billion dollars per year, particularly when the taking of it further demoralizes small business? Where did all that "hope and change" go?

Just admit that all you've got is class warfare and political division for the sake of Obama's personal ambitions, and this bullshit about Mitt Romney's tax returns are just a vehicle to that end. He's the WORST president we've ever had... the most selfish and mean-spirited, the most thin-skinned, inept, and lacking in leadership.

Don't you people ever just get TIRED of defending his mess? I'd be exhausted by now if I had to find daily excuses to explain this guy. Hell, you excuse his lack of leadership by pointing out that he has no authority to control the Congress, all the while forgetting that he can't even run the Executive branch effectively. He's armed Mexican drug cartels, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of Mexican citizens and at least one border guard. He's unilaterally changed immigration policy without legislative approval. He picks and chooses which laws he'll enforce, has undone the legacy of Bill Clinton on welfare to work, and seized our medical records. He whacks people with drones, including American citizens without due process, and causes little grannies and children to be felt-up in airports.
And that's just the tip of the iceberg. What the hell to you people see in this guy?! He's more George Bush than Bush himself, doubling, tripling, quadrupling down on everything you complained about. But... he's a Democrat, so it's all good, right?

 

[Murf76]

Huh? He has moved more major legislation in 3.5 years than any other president in the modern era.



Ha! Of course...and then you wonder why Democrats accuse Republicans of being obstructionist. It's because....watch it now....

Republicans ARE obstructionists, and they wear it proudly.



You're right, after rounds of compromise with Republicans that produces a stimulus bill with 40% of its expense coming from TAX CUTS, Republicans turned around and voted against the very bill many of them helped negotiate. Because they are obstructionists, and proudly so.



No, that's not a different way of saying future liability. Words have meanings and you can't change the meaning to suit your fancy.

Well, you can - you do it all the time. But it just makes your argument look stupid.

More legislation? The only way he got his crappy Obamacare mess through was through the use of political bribes and twisting legislative procedure like a pretzel. And what he did manage to pass cost Democrats the House in 2010, that's how unpopular it is. Meanwhile back at the ranch... WHERE IS THE BUDGET??? And why didn't he get his tax hikes on the so-called rich while Democrats had super-majorities? To listen to him talk, that 28 billion per year is the panacea which will solve ALL the nation's problems, so where is it?

And where's the unity he promised? He came right out of the box combative with Republicans and that, after all his rhetoric on the campaign trail. Now, having proved himself a thin-skinned, authoritarian socialist, he whines like a little boy about "obstruction". Too right he's going to be obstructed. He LIED to America's face about his true political nature. Republicans shouldn't just be saying 'no' to Obama's collectivist view of American, they should be saying 'fuck no'. Why the hell do you think there's a Tea Party caucus now and there wasn't one before? It's because he's a goddamned socialist who thinks he can subvert our Constitution... and has.

All he's done is hand us MORE broken entitlements instead of repairing the ones we already have which are demonstrably in trouble. And you can deny all you want that we've got 222 trillion in promises we can never keep, but that won't change the fact that we do.

What is crappy about "Obamacare"?

You make numerous allegations, none new and all previously stated by other partisans and never have points and authorities been cited to make the case. My guess is you've never read the Constitution cover to cover, never taken ConLaw to aid you in understanding and never once looked up legitimate sources in an effort to understand constitutional issues.

You rant, but rants are never convincing of anything but the emotions being exposed. You expose your emotions but never provide any evidence of having taken and passed a course in Civics or US History.

What?... Are you a college student or something? You keep insisting that other people haven't read the U.S. Constitution and don't understand the law, civics, or history. But you sound like a whiny, perpetual student who's never lived outside the classroom. Here's a little free advice.. Don't believe everything you hear from pony-tailed, liberal professors, who likewise haven't lived out of arm's reach of the chalkboard. Think for yourself.

You want to know what's wrong with Obamcare? Try EVERYTHING. It's a stupid gimmicky, camel's-nose-under-the-tent proposition designed to lead to single payer, socialist medicine. It does literally NOTHING to control the spiraling costs of healthcare, raises premiums as it frontloads mandated and arbitrarily selected care, abrogates the rights of citizens to choose the coverage they want, need, or desire, increases the costs of medication and medical supplies, raises taxes by a trillion dollars, costs 3 times what we were told it would, etc. We can go on and on and on. It's an unsustainable disaster waiting to happen.

 

[8537]

Murf, you sound really angry. You should consider finding a hobby. In the meantime:

So where the hell is his budget then?

I'm going to try this one more time. If you fail to grasp it this time I'll be left to assume you can't read: The Constitution is very clear about spending bills. They can not originate in the Executive branch. Budgets necessarily originate in the house. We've got a pretty little piece of paper from 223 years ago that makes this very clear.

Don't you people ever just get TIRED of defending his mess?

No, I never tire of laughing at people who have become completely unhinged because Obama is actually doing what he said he'd do if elected.

 

[8537]

You want to know what's wrong with Obamcare? Try EVERYTHING. It's a stupid gimmicky, camel's-nose-under-the-tent proposition designed to lead to single payer, socialist medicine. It does literally NOTHING to control the spiraling costs of healthcare, raises premiums as it frontloads mandated and arbitrarily selected care, abrogates the rights of citizens to choose the coverage they want, need, or desire, increases the costs of medication and medical supplies, raises taxes by a trillion dollars, costs 3 times what we were told it would, etc. We can go on and on and on. It's an unsustainable disaster waiting to happen.

The Heritage Foundation, Bob Dole, Newt Gingrich and the current Republican nominee for President would be very upset to hear you describe their health care reform ideas in this manner.

 

[Murf76]

Murf, you sound really angry. You should consider finding a hobby. In the meantime:

So where the hell is his budget then?

I'm going to try this one more time. If you fail to grasp it this time I'll be left to assume you can't read: The Constitution is very clear about spending bills. They can not originate in the Executive branch. Budgets necessarily originate in the house. We've got a pretty little piece of paper from 223 years ago that makes this very clear.

Don't you people ever just get TIRED of defending his mess?

No, I never tire of laughing at people who have become completely unhinged because Obama is actually doing what he said he'd do if elected.

So... once again... you admit that Obama doesn't have the leadership skills necessary to get a budget out of Congress. You know, as governor, Mitt Romney dealt with an 85% Democrat legislature, and somehow, still managed to get budgets out of them. Obama couldn't even get it done sitting on super-majorites of his own affiliation.

And yeah... I might sound angry, if you're reading it with that sort of tone in mind. But in actuality, I'm making a relatively dispassionate list of your candidate's many flaws, and a partial list at that.

 

[Murf76]

You want to know what's wrong with Obamcare? Try EVERYTHING. It's a stupid gimmicky, camel's-nose-under-the-tent proposition designed to lead to single payer, socialist medicine. It does literally NOTHING to control the spiraling costs of healthcare, raises premiums as it frontloads mandated and arbitrarily selected care, abrogates the rights of citizens to choose the coverage they want, need, or desire, increases the costs of medication and medical supplies, raises taxes by a trillion dollars, costs 3 times what we were told it would, etc. We can go on and on and on. It's an unsustainable disaster waiting to happen.

The Heritage Foundation, Bob Dole, Newt Gingrich and the current Republican nominee for President would be very upset to hear you describe their health care reform ideas in this manner.

Nope. That's a myth. The Heritage Foundation has addressed it:
Don't Blame Heritage for ObamaCare Mandate

 

[Wry Catcher]

The point is that Barack Obama has no ability to LEAD, no influence, no leadership skills. Then again, he never ran so much as a hot dog stand or worked a real job, so no one is much surprised.

you keep saying that, but it flies in the face of facts - such as the fact that he has fostered more legislation and more initiatives through congress than any president in the modern era.



So all those Republican measures added to the bill after meetings at the White House - he didn't play any part in those ?

Lol. OK then.

In reference to your insistence that our unfunded liabilities don't exist... well, that's why people don't actually expect your party to get off its commie ass and actually do anything to preserve the entitlements you purport to believe in. Don't be surprised when we're swearing in President Romney in January... because he DOES recognize the need to repair our broken safety net and he DOES understand how to implement leadership, as witnessed by his governorship in Massachusetts with an 85% Democrat legislature and by his leadership at the fiscally successful Salt Lake Olympics.

Yes, in Massachusetts he almost led the nation among the worst job creation numbers and he passed a healthcare plan that he now vehemently opposes.

And in Salt Lake, he got a huge government bailout to save the games. Nice work!

So where the hell is his budget then? Great leader like him... why weren't these tax increases on the so-called "rich" passed when he had majorities in Congress? Where are the reforms of our broken entitlements?

You people are totally full of shit... because you simply CAN'T answer those questions. How's he supposed to fix our economy with a paltry 28 billion dollars per year, particularly when the taking of it further demoralizes small business? Where did all that "hope and change" go?

Just admit that all you've got is class warfare and political division for the sake of Obama's personal ambitions, and this bullshit about Mitt Romney's tax returns are just a vehicle to that end. He's the WORST president we've ever had... the most selfish and mean-spirited, the most thin-skinned, inept, and lacking in leadership.

Don't you people ever just get TIRED of defending his mess? I'd be exhausted by now if I had to find daily excuses to explain this guy. Hell, you excuse his lack of leadership by pointing out that he has no authority to control the Congress, all the while forgetting that he can't even run the Executive branch effectively. He's armed Mexican drug cartels, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of Mexican citizens and at least one border guard. He's unilaterally changed immigration policy without legislative approval. He picks and chooses which laws he'll enforce, has undone the legacy of Bill Clinton on welfare to work, and seized our medical records. He whacks people with drones, including American citizens without due process, and causes little grannies and children to be felt-up in airports.
And that's just the tip of the iceberg. What the hell to you people see in this guy?! He's more George Bush than Bush himself, doubling, tripling, quadrupling down on everything you complained about. But... he's a Democrat, so it's all good, right?

Yada rant, Yada, Yada rant rant. Post facts; your opinions are fully partisan and rather silly.

 

[Murf76]

you keep saying that, but it flies in the face of facts - such as the fact that he has fostered more legislation and more initiatives through congress than any president in the modern era.



So all those Republican measures added to the bill after meetings at the White House - he didn't play any part in those ?

Lol. OK then.



Yes, in Massachusetts he almost led the nation among the worst job creation numbers and he passed a healthcare plan that he now vehemently opposes.

And in Salt Lake, he got a huge government bailout to save the games. Nice work!

So where the hell is his budget then? Great leader like him... why weren't these tax increases on the so-called "rich" passed when he had majorities in Congress? Where are the reforms of our broken entitlements?

You people are totally full of shit... because you simply CAN'T answer those questions. How's he supposed to fix our economy with a paltry 28 billion dollars per year, particularly when the taking of it further demoralizes small business? Where did all that "hope and change" go?

Just admit that all you've got is class warfare and political division for the sake of Obama's personal ambitions, and this bullshit about Mitt Romney's tax returns are just a vehicle to that end. He's the WORST president we've ever had... the most selfish and mean-spirited, the most thin-skinned, inept, and lacking in leadership.

Don't you people ever just get TIRED of defending his mess? I'd be exhausted by now if I had to find daily excuses to explain this guy. Hell, you excuse his lack of leadership by pointing out that he has no authority to control the Congress, all the while forgetting that he can't even run the Executive branch effectively. He's armed Mexican drug cartels, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of Mexican citizens and at least one border guard. He's unilaterally changed immigration policy without legislative approval. He picks and chooses which laws he'll enforce, has undone the legacy of Bill Clinton on welfare to work, and seized our medical records. He whacks people with drones, including American citizens without due process, and causes little grannies and children to be felt-up in airports.
And that's just the tip of the iceberg. What the hell to you people see in this guy?! He's more George Bush than Bush himself, doubling, tripling, quadrupling down on everything you complained about. But... he's a Democrat, so it's all good, right?

Yada rant, Yada, Yada rant rant. Post facts; your opinions are fully partisan and rather silly.

And there's the comprehensive answer I was expecting to my many pertinent questions today. Awesome.

 

[zonly1]

The Obama campaign and their lapdog media cohorts have concocted the 10 years of taxes nonsense. Other than Obama, no other president released multiple years of tax returns prior to taking office. Can this president be honest about anything? See for yourself at the link.

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Tax History Project: Presidential Tax Returns

What did president Obama lie about exactly?

that he would cut the deficient in have when in fact has increased the debt by 50%, carbuncle.
that he would improve race relationships in this country......the black unemployment is higher now then when occupied the WH?

 

[8537]

You want to know what's wrong with Obamcare? Try EVERYTHING. It's a stupid gimmicky, camel's-nose-under-the-tent proposition designed to lead to single payer, socialist medicine. It does literally NOTHING to control the spiraling costs of healthcare, raises premiums as it frontloads mandated and arbitrarily selected care, abrogates the rights of citizens to choose the coverage they want, need, or desire, increases the costs of medication and medical supplies, raises taxes by a trillion dollars, costs 3 times what we were told it would, etc. We can go on and on and on. It's an unsustainable disaster waiting to happen.

The Heritage Foundation, Bob Dole, Newt Gingrich and the current Republican nominee for President would be very upset to hear you describe their health care reform ideas in this manner.

Nope. That's a myth. The Heritage Foundation has addressed it:
Don't Blame Heritage for ObamaCare Mandate

I love that! You turn to the Heritage foundation, which has run away from it's own proposal like it's poison.

The fact is that the Heritage foundation supported a public mandate, as did Mr Gingrich, Mr Dole and others.

Of course they run from it and lie about it now! Afterall, Obama recommended it and they have to obstruct.

 

[8537]

The Obama campaign and their lapdog media cohorts have concocted the 10 years of taxes nonsense. Other than Obama, no other president released multiple years of tax returns prior to taking office. Can this president be honest about anything? See for yourself at the link.

******************************************************
Tax History Project: Presidential Tax Returns

What did president Obama lie about exactly?

that he would cut the deficient in have when in fact has increased the debt by 50%, carbuncle.
that he would improve race relationships in this country......the black unemployment is higher now then when occupied the WH?

Can someone please translate the above into sober-persons English? kthx.

 

[Conservadude]

If the Governor paid a tax rate of X, he can't ask others to pay greater than X unless he's also willing to blow up the rules that resulted in him paying that rate.

All indications from the stealth-like Romney campaign is that he likes the low tax rates he and other millionaires pay. Which is why the Senate passed the tax relief bill for those making less than $250K and the GOP quickly did nothing about it.

Taxes are a taxing problem for the GOP.

Really, so why do democrats not pay taxes? They advocate higher taxes, yet people like you, NEVER call them on it...interesting
Atleast Republicans are honest and say taxes suck and we dont want to pay them.

I'm an independent; not a democrat. But I do know that democrats do pay taxes.

Democrats are asking those making $250K+ to pay what, 1% more?

Meanwhile, the GOP has come out firmly in the pockets of those making $250K+ and are holding the middle income tax relief bill hostage on purely political reasons. And of course there is Governor Romney's insistence on not releasing his tax returns which continues to overshadow his fledgling campaign.

Yes, Taxes are a taxing problem for the GOP.

There's an address for ANY rich Democrat that wants to pay more in taxes..

Gifts to the United States
U.S. Department of the Treasury
Credit Accounting Branch
3700 East-West Highway, Room 622D
Hyattsville, MD 20782

 

[zonly1]

What did president Obama lie about exactly?

that he would cut the deficient in have when in fact has increased the debt by 50%, carbuncle.
that he would improve race relationships in this country......the black unemployment is higher now then when occupied the WH?

Can someone please translate the above into sober-persons English? kthx.

That wouldn't matter because u can't add and have amnesia. Furthermore, u wouldn't know an ambush if it hit u upside the head.

Thanks for bieng annnnnnnn obtuse moron.

If you have something to give, then by all means step up to the plate.