That Ugly "A" Word Again..."Apartheid."

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    The Palestinian Authority warned on Saturday that long-standing lack of movement toward peace with Israel was threatening the concept of a two-state solution and could lead to Palestinians being left in an Israeli-run "apartheid" state.

    "The establishment of a politically and economically viable State of Palestine is impossible without ending the Israeli occupation of the whole West Bank and Gaza Strip, including East Jerusalem," the 22-page document, published on Saturday, said.

    PA warns Israel logjam threatens statehood - Israel News, Ynetnews

    israel really is in sort of a pickle here.

    a two state solution means they have to give up certain areas that they are illegally occupying...

    or they will have to accept a one state solution, which if they wish to continue the myth of "a beacon unto the nations of the world" and "the only democracy in the mideast", means they will have to give palestinians the vote and relinquish their long held hegemony over the indigenous arab population...

    does anyone really wonder who benefits from maintaining the status quo and stalling on entering into negotiations for a solution to this conflict?

    some may seriously want to carefully read the first line of article 2 in the link below, which includes language about "national group"s...

    Convention on Genocide
     
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    The PA is not particularly honest and is certainly NOT 'objective' or 'impartial'.

    Why should any reasonable American citizen give the PA's words even the credibility they'd give Israel, which is an ally of the US?
     
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    The corrupt PA and HAMAS "leadership" - like so many other oligarchies in Arab and Muslim lands! - benefit, by the BILLIONS in their Swiss bank accounts.

    As do the corrupt "rulers" of so many Muslim-majority nations who point to Israel as the source and reason for whatever ails their lands.
     
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    "The Palestinian Authority warned on Saturday that long-standing lack of movement toward peace with Israel was threatening the concept of a two-state solution and could lead to Palestinians being left in an Israeli-run "apartheid" state."

    abbas sounds frustrated to me and wants to enter into negotiiations, and his attempts are always being rejected by israel.

    you attack the corruption of the PA. i could attack the corruption of the israeli government. certainly both governments come into play, but it is the best interest of the palestinian officials to make peace, which is what they are trying to do. i cannot say the same for the israeli officials. the two equally balanced maor parties need to court the various parties representing the settlers in order for one to come out on top.

    we could do this forever. it would lead nowhere.

    how about this. what exactly do you think a solution is that will provide for a viable palestinian state and a peace partner with israel? the issues are borders, prisoners, and reugees. otherwise, you really are faced with history calling this a genocide. do you realise how damaging that will be to israel and jews worldwide.
     
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    My personal opinion, Israel doesnt want a Palestinian state. Both the notion of giving over land and having the palestinians form a nation that will, im sure, be aided by enemies of Israel, and the idea of allowing Palestinians who despise Israel to be considered equal citizens with equal voice and vote is untenable.
     
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    what muslim maority nations point to israel as the source of all their problems?,

    but so what if it was true? israel's problem with palestine is seperate from the alleged problems you mention israel has with the muslim world. are you saying israel shouldn't negotiate with palestine because senegal has some sort of problem of another with israel.

    abbas wants to negotiate.
     
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    I seriously doubt - to say the least! - that 'history' will view this situation as a 'genocide'. Unless the Arab League plot to disenfranchise their assorted Jewish citizenry and eject them with no compensation for any of theier property or their lands is going to be viewed as the attempted genocide it was ?

    Nor is it at all sensible, IMO, to suggest that a lack of resolution would be 'damaging to....Jews worldwide'. No reasonable person or group is going to blame 'Jews worldwide' for whatever an Israeli administration fails to do.
     
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    i think that's a good opinion. i think it is a bit more complicated than that but you pretty much hit the nail on the head. there was, awhile back, an initiative/proposal that offered israel full recognition by the arab league states, the whole shebang. israel rejected that for some reason. i think it is still on the table.
     
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    It isn't a matter of 'Israel having problems with the Muslim world', Seal - it's a matter of despots like Assad and the Iranian mullahthugs making patently false and obscenely ridiculous claims that 'Israel' is attacking them.


    Let's see, a couple ofecades ago it was the Egyptian papers 'reporting' that the IDF soldiers in the Sinai were handing out chewing gum 'laden with sex hormomes' to Egyptian schoolgirls.

    That, like the "Israeli scientists invented AIDS", is obviously totally fabricated filth - but the Governments are the ones putting out this filth. And the purpose is obvious: incite the populace to focus on 'Israel' as the cause of whatever seems to be wrong, rather than realize that the government is oppressive.
     
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    Why don't you look up that 'proposal' and link to it, so we can ALL see the details?

    To date, not a single 'AL' proposal has even acknowledged the Jewish Arab refugees of '48 - some 950,000 people stripped of their citizenship as well as everything they owned simply because they were Jews in Arab nations (and Iran).

    If the 'refugee' problem is to be solved, it needs to be solved for ALL the refugees - or it isn't solved at all.
     

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