Thanks to Obama MY PAYCHECK IS LESS!!!

[healthmyths]

My health insurance just went up almost 20% as the mandates have hit sports fans.
Money for nothing and health care "for free" has us producers paying for those that do not.
Add in another year for those that sit on their ass and do not work for their unemployment "benefits".
The self employed get none of that.
America is going down the tubes. No one cares. Everyone wants a damn handout.
Medicare will end in about 10-12 years. GONE as it is a train wreck now. Friend of mine is an auditor/investigator for Medicare program and he says that fraud now is about 25-30% of all dollars spent on Medicare. Russian mafia has thousands of claims daily and nothing is done much as most get paid. Medicare pays $995 for a back brace that you can walk in the store and get one for $195.
So Medicare is gone because Americans will not want any changes.
Prescription Dope plan is a disaster. Can not change that as now Gramps and Granny are dope head pill addicts. My mother in law is 88, takes 12 medications 4 of which are mental health BS and 4 others for the side effects of the other 8.
Medicaid will be overwhelmed with the new law as all it does is dump everyone that can not "afford" health insurance into it. It will be gone in a decade.
Social Security is not so bad but we need immediate cuts, no COLA for 5 years and raise the age to 66.
Slash obsolete military bases, eliminate free lunches for kids and force the fathers to pay and the states will fund the rest, abolish the DEpt. of education and audit social security disability eliminating 60% of those on it as there is nothing wrong with them.
Ban government unions, end free perks for politicians, no block grants for the states and end food stamp distribution at the retail delivery.
Mandatory work for benefit programs.
On and on and on.

Every day a business I started helps Medicare providers 10,000 times a day find out if they are going to be paid by Medicare... SO suffice to say "I UNDERSTAND MEDICARE!!!
So now I've established my bona fides...
I've an access to a database of 6,000+ hospitals AND WHAT THEY BILLED Medicare...
ONE GLARING example:
In 2009 the University Community Hospital in Tampa sent Medicare 2,110 claims for CAT scan no contrast.

Each claim averaged: $2,635 which is what was billed by the hospital to Medicare...
Understand?? Each claim for service averaged $2,635...

But the hospital's ACTUAL COSTS to perform the CAT SCAN was $43 a mark up 6,127.91%

6,000% markup!!! All these idiots marching in the streets against Wall Street GREED????
LISTEN UP! You're local hospitals are in most cases MARKING UP their claims to Medicare/private insurance ALL because of stupid ass congress again!
1986 EMTALA law states if hospital gets Medicare money they must see uninsured patients.... all well and fine when costs were padded and passed on as they have since been done by HOSPITALS to recouped their "uninsured" patients!!!

AGAIN one of those "unintended consequences"!!!

 

[Dubya]

I get automatic deposit.
Because Obama is SO f..king Ignorant about economics having NEVER written one payroll check, having NEVER made any business decisions and because HE hates profits... THANKS to him my paycheck is less!

Taxes kicked in on ALL of us and not just those greedy wealthy 1%!

Because Obama like all of Washington THINKS when you reduce an INCREASE in say Cost of living adjustments.. THAT'S A SPENDING CUT!

NOT ONE true dime of spending cuts occurred. Simple reduction in increases! That's ALL! Except when it comes to collecting taxes!

Why don't you explain how you received a paycheck on a New Years Day that was a Tuesday at 7:30 AM containing an increase in taxes?

 

[Cammmpbell]

The Bush period was a great period. I guess people forget the Saddam threat to the US, the WMD's, the brilliant Mission-Accomplished carrier landing, Bush's two wars and to top it off a massive reduction in taxes. Could any president have given us more? Then I discover we are still paying for WWII, and it makes me appreciate Bush even more.

Bush was and is a goddam idiot. Without family influence his inept ass would have more than likely got killed in Vietnam. Without his brother and Jeb's concubine he would have never been president. Gore got half a million more votes than he did and the fracus in Florida and the U S supreme court absolutely GAVE him the election. He assumed a balanced budget with surpluses projected all the way to the outyears and immediately cut taxes....twice. He started two wars 10,000 miles from home, one totally by choice and unnecessary....then he doubled the national debt.

Brilliant???? After he left Yale the university of Texas refused his admission to law school. The reason....his grades:

 

[beagle9]

With a 1.6 trillion deficit this year and 46 cents of every dollar spent we have to borrow any lower middle class to middle class to upper middle class citizen that does not believe his tax rate will double in his life time is a DUMB ASS.

Most people's tax rates will double in their lifetimes of course. Most will more than double. An 18 year old who doesn't make more than the standard deductible will pay 0%. If he later pays any taxes at all his rate has more than doubled.

The people who have come along lately and are screaming to high heaven about government spending and debt make my arse crave lime juice. Where were they when Bush cut taxes twice, started two wars, one totally by choice then doubled the national debt?

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

Bush had the business of war on his hands unfortunately, and not by his choosing as it never is for any President serving, where as these wars were (run overs by former administrations who came before him), and he also had the fall out from the Clinton error party economics on his hands also, that led to the resession at a time when we didn't need a resession on top of those wars being fought, but we got it anyway, and this beyond Bush being able to control the fall out from it all, so when he starts to do something in emergency thinking about it as he did, he gets chastised for it big time by the dems, but when Obama runs around justifying everything that he is doing because of the resession in which was a run over from a few or more past administrations before him, and that he inherited yes (blaming everything on them), somehow that is OK ? Oh and yes he is also still dealing in Afghanistan willfully after Bin Laden is dead (finishing the so called job there eh), and uh oh don't forget about Obama also helping Libiya free itself from a dictator, in which is something that the dem's and their minions keep screaming bloody murder over when he Bush did such in the world, so lets not forget about that and the so called Arab spring debacle supported by Obama, and the Mexican Gun Running operation Fast and Furious where it got Americans killed just like in Libiya now the same.

Bush wanted to help free two nations of their bad dictators or thugs after 9-11, and he also wanted to finish the job in Iraq and Afghanistan where these dictators or thugs were in power once (securing these areas again, and this for those people whom wanted also freedom apart from the dictators & thugs they were under), yet shockingly that was all dead wrong in the thinking by the dems, but yet it is A-Ok for Barack Obama to do these very same things ? All I smell is Hypocryts smothered in onions, and so yes it is what I smell these days with these dems ((PURE HYPOCRYTS/Hypocrisy).

 

[Gadawg73]

Oh no, Obama will not raise taxes on the Middleclass-------View attachment 23507

View attachment 23508

Am watching Sugar Bowl and have had a few since yesterday at 10 am 4 bowl games ago.

going, going ........................GONE

You hit that one out of the ball park!

 

[Gadawg73]

I made a little the first few bowl games, got cocky and multiplied my bets on the nest few, lost my ass and had some luck yesterday in 2 games. Take a look at the markets today. SOME UNCERTAINTY is over and themarket was up over 300 pts most all day.
But that will end soon. Opening year rallies are common.
For us investors Obama is a loser and a bad one at that.
Great politician. Negro Huey Long.

 

[Cammmpbell]

Most people's tax rates will double in their lifetimes of course. Most will more than double. An 18 year old who doesn't make more than the standard deductible will pay 0%. If he later pays any taxes at all his rate has more than doubled.

The people who have come along lately and are screaming to high heaven about government spending and debt make my arse crave lime juice. Where were they when Bush cut taxes twice, started two wars, one totally by choice then doubled the national debt?

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

Bush had the business of war on his hands unfortunately, and not by his choosing as it never is for any President serving, where as these wars were (run overs by former administrations who came before him), and he also had the fall out from the Clinton error party economics on his hands also, that led to the resession at a time when we didn't need a resession on top of those wars being fought, but we got it anyway, and this beyond Bush being able to control the fall out from it all, so when he starts to do something in emergency thinking about it as he did, he gets chastised for it big time by the dems, but when Obama runs around justifying everything that he is doing because of the resession in which was a run over from a few or more past administrations before him, and that he inherited yes (blaming everything on them), somehow that is OK ? Oh and yes he is also still dealing in Afghanistan willfully after Bin Laden is dead (finishing the so called job there eh), and uh oh don't forget about Obama also helping Libiya free itself from a dictator, in which is something that the dem's and their minions keep screaming bloody murder over when he Bush did such in the world, so lets not forget about that and the so called Arab spring debacle supported by Obama, and the Mexican Gun Running operation Fast and Furious where it got Americans killed just like in Libiya now the same.

Bush wanted to help free two nations of their bad dictators or thugs after 9-11, and he also wanted to finish the job in Iraq and Afghanistan where these dictators or thugs were in power once (securing these areas again, and this for those people whom wanted also freedom apart from the dictators & thugs they were under), yet shockingly that was all dead wrong in the thinking by the dems, but yet it is A-Ok for Barack Obama to do these very same things ? All I smell is Hypocryts smothered in onions, and so yes it is what I smell these days with these dems ((PURE HYPOCRYTS/Hypocrisy).

Like most right wingers you just don't get it. During the second world war every able bodied man under the age of forty served and put it all on the line. After it was over tax rates on the wealthy were increased to 91% to pay off the debts.

Now the story is that a C student from Yale who used family influence to dodge the draft and stay away from Vietnam and even then didn't serve the last fourteen months of his obligation to the national guards initiates not one but two wars, one unnecessary and by choice and instead of asking his wealthy buddies to help pay for it cut taxes not once but twice to give them monetary rewards while hired peons were fighting the war. With tax rates almost as low as they've ever been in this country the Republicans still want them reduced more.

The good part....we've caught onto your selfish, greedy asses and you'll never win another presidential election and if something happens to curtail your gerrymandering maybe lose most of your congressional seats.

 

[Too Tall]

I get automatic deposit.
Because Obama is SO f..king Ignorant about economics having NEVER written one payroll check, having NEVER made any business decisions and because HE hates profits... THANKS to him my paycheck is less!

Taxes kicked in on ALL of us and not just those greedy wealthy 1%!

Because Obama like all of Washington THINKS when you reduce an INCREASE in say Cost of living adjustments.. THAT'S A SPENDING CUT!

NOT ONE true dime of spending cuts occurred. Simple reduction in increases! That's ALL! Except when it comes to collecting taxes!

such a liar.... no changes have kicked in yet.

loon.

and you sure as hell don't earn over $400,000, shill.

Social Security tax went up 2% to 6.2%.

 

[Too Tall]

The people who have come along lately and are screaming to high heaven about government spending and debt make my arse crave lime juice. Where were they when Bush cut taxes twice, started two wars, one totally by choice then doubled the national debt?

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

Bush had the business of war on his hands unfortunately, and not by his choosing as it never is for any President serving, where as these wars were (run overs by former administrations who came before him), and he also had the fall out from the Clinton error party economics on his hands also, that led to the resession at a time when we didn't need a resession on top of those wars being fought, but we got it anyway, and this beyond Bush being able to control the fall out from it all, so when he starts to do something in emergency thinking about it as he did, he gets chastised for it big time by the dems, but when Obama runs around justifying everything that he is doing because of the resession in which was a run over from a few or more past administrations before him, and that he inherited yes (blaming everything on them), somehow that is OK ? Oh and yes he is also still dealing in Afghanistan willfully after Bin Laden is dead (finishing the so called job there eh), and uh oh don't forget about Obama also helping Libiya free itself from a dictator, in which is something that the dem's and their minions keep screaming bloody murder over when he Bush did such in the world, so lets not forget about that and the so called Arab spring debacle supported by Obama, and the Mexican Gun Running operation Fast and Furious where it got Americans killed just like in Libiya now the same.

Bush wanted to help free two nations of their bad dictators or thugs after 9-11, and he also wanted to finish the job in Iraq and Afghanistan where these dictators or thugs were in power once (securing these areas again, and this for those people whom wanted also freedom apart from the dictators & thugs they were under), yet shockingly that was all dead wrong in the thinking by the dems, but yet it is A-Ok for Barack Obama to do these very same things ? All I smell is Hypocryts smothered in onions, and so yes it is what I smell these days with these dems ((PURE HYPOCRYTS/Hypocrisy).

Like most right wingers you just don't get it. During the second world war every able bodied man under the age of forty served and put it all on the line. After it was over tax rates on the wealthy were increased to 91% to pay off the debts.

Now the story is that a C student from Yale who used family influence to dodge the draft and stay away from Vietnam and even then didn't serve the last fourteen months of his obligation to the national guards initiates not one but two wars, one unnecessary and by choice and instead of asking his wealthy buddies to help pay for it cut taxes not once but twice to give them monetary rewards while hired peons were fighting the war. With tax rates almost as low as they've ever been in this country the Republicans still want them reduced more.

The good part....we've caught onto your selfish, greedy asses and you'll never win another presidential election and if something happens to curtail your gerrymandering maybe lose most of your congressional seats.

9/11 initiated the wars dumbass.

Obama signed the bill to make the Bush tax rates for 99% of the taxpayers permanent yesterday.

Gerrymandering is an equal opportunity for Democrats as well as Republicans.

 

[Cammmpbell]

Bush had the business of war on his hands unfortunately, and not by his choosing as it never is for any President serving, where as these wars were (run overs by former administrations who came before him), and he also had the fall out from the Clinton error party economics on his hands also, that led to the resession at a time when we didn't need a resession on top of those wars being fought, but we got it anyway, and this beyond Bush being able to control the fall out from it all, so when he starts to do something in emergency thinking about it as he did, he gets chastised for it big time by the dems, but when Obama runs around justifying everything that he is doing because of the resession in which was a run over from a few or more past administrations before him, and that he inherited yes (blaming everything on them), somehow that is OK ? Oh and yes he is also still dealing in Afghanistan willfully after Bin Laden is dead (finishing the so called job there eh), and uh oh don't forget about Obama also helping Libiya free itself from a dictator, in which is something that the dem's and their minions keep screaming bloody murder over when he Bush did such in the world, so lets not forget about that and the so called Arab spring debacle supported by Obama, and the Mexican Gun Running operation Fast and Furious where it got Americans killed just like in Libiya now the same.

Bush wanted to help free two nations of their bad dictators or thugs after 9-11, and he also wanted to finish the job in Iraq and Afghanistan where these dictators or thugs were in power once (securing these areas again, and this for those people whom wanted also freedom apart from the dictators & thugs they were under), yet shockingly that was all dead wrong in the thinking by the dems, but yet it is A-Ok for Barack Obama to do these very same things ? All I smell is Hypocryts smothered in onions, and so yes it is what I smell these days with these dems ((PURE HYPOCRYTS/Hypocrisy).

Like most right wingers you just don't get it. During the second world war every able bodied man under the age of forty served and put it all on the line. After it was over tax rates on the wealthy were increased to 91% to pay off the debts.

Now the story is that a C student from Yale who used family influence to dodge the draft and stay away from Vietnam and even then didn't serve the last fourteen months of his obligation to the national guards initiates not one but two wars, one unnecessary and by choice and instead of asking his wealthy buddies to help pay for it cut taxes not once but twice to give them monetary rewards while hired peons were fighting the war. With tax rates almost as low as they've ever been in this country the Republicans still want them reduced more.

The good part....we've caught onto your selfish, greedy asses and you'll never win another presidential election and if something happens to curtail your gerrymandering maybe lose most of your congressional seats.

9/11 initiated the wars dumbass.

Obama signed the bill to make the Bush tax rates for 99% of the taxpayers permanent yesterday.

Gerrymandering is an equal opportunity for Democrats as well as Republicans.

That's a lie. George W. Bush and his cabinet told nearly a thousand lies over a two or three year period before the invasion of Iraq and the only thing Saddam Hussein ever did to anybody in the United States was when he tried to assassinate Bush's daddy in 1993 and that wasn't in this country....it was in Kuwait.

Here are the lies....totally documented and referenced one by one:

Lie by Lie: A Timeline of How We Got Into Iraq | Mother Jones

 

[usmcstinger]

Happy Obama New Year nutters!

Allow me to thank you for your contribution to the President's re-election and for ensuring the slow but steady advance of progressive policies in our great nation.

Thanks in part to you and your crazed rantings......giving courage to the crazed national figures you vote for and support.....we now are closer than ever to properly redistributing the wealth of this nation, legalizing recreational drug use, freeing up those in love to marry and regulating unnecessary killing machines.

A great year....2012. A great year indeed.

2013 surprises to Obama worshipers: If you are collecting Social Security, you will be paying more for Medicare Part B to the tune of $104.90 ( 5% increase )which reduces the 1.7% COLA for 2013. Your SS increase is not keeping up with inflation.
COLUMN-Medicare premiums rising in 2013, but less than expected | Reuters

Still, Congress' deal delivered a walloping tax hike for most workers: the end of a two-year Social Security tax cut. The tax is rising back up to 6.2 percent from 4.2 percent. The increase will cost someone making $50,000 about $1,000 a year and a household with two high-paid workers up to $4,500
Fiscal-cliff deal no recipe for a robust economy | General Headlines | Comcast

 

[uscitizen]

And maybe you could explain to all of us how wars are paid for ? This ought to be good...Oh and lets see now, it's 2013 and still blaming Bush eh ?

Shockingly, I'm still blaming Hitler for the Holocaust too.

Comparing G. W. Bush to Hitler is just like comparing Obama to Idi Amin.
The only difference is that Obama is not President for Life until 2016.

He was not comparing Bush to Hitler.
Just saying that if someone is responsible for something they are responsible for it no matter how much time passes.

Or to use your illogic are you saying that Hitler was not responsible for the holocaust?

 

[chikenwing]

The people who have come along lately and are screaming to high heaven about government spending and debt make my arse crave lime juice. Where were they when Bush cut taxes twice, started two wars, one totally by choice then doubled the national debt?

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

Bush had the business of war on his hands unfortunately, and not by his choosing as it never is for any President serving, where as these wars were (run overs by former administrations who came before him), and he also had the fall out from the Clinton error party economics on his hands also, that led to the resession at a time when we didn't need a resession on top of those wars being fought, but we got it anyway, and this beyond Bush being able to control the fall out from it all, so when he starts to do something in emergency thinking about it as he did, he gets chastised for it big time by the dems, but when Obama runs around justifying everything that he is doing because of the resession in which was a run over from a few or more past administrations before him, and that he inherited yes (blaming everything on them), somehow that is OK ? Oh and yes he is also still dealing in Afghanistan willfully after Bin Laden is dead (finishing the so called job there eh), and uh oh don't forget about Obama also helping Libiya free itself from a dictator, in which is something that the dem's and their minions keep screaming bloody murder over when he Bush did such in the world, so lets not forget about that and the so called Arab spring debacle supported by Obama, and the Mexican Gun Running operation Fast and Furious where it got Americans killed just like in Libiya now the same.

Bush wanted to help free two nations of their bad dictators or thugs after 9-11, and he also wanted to finish the job in Iraq and Afghanistan where these dictators or thugs were in power once (securing these areas again, and this for those people whom wanted also freedom apart from the dictators & thugs they were under), yet shockingly that was all dead wrong in the thinking by the dems, but yet it is A-Ok for Barack Obama to do these very same things ? All I smell is Hypocryts smothered in onions, and so yes it is what I smell these days with these dems ((PURE HYPOCRYTS/Hypocrisy).

Like most right wingers you just don't get it. During the second world war every able bodied man under the age of forty served and put it all on the line. After it was over tax rates on the wealthy were increased to 91% to pay off the debts.

Now the story is that a C student from Yale who used family influence to dodge the draft and stay away from Vietnam and even then didn't serve the last fourteen months of his obligation to the national guards initiates not one but two wars, one unnecessary and by choice and instead of asking his wealthy buddies to help pay for it cut taxes not once but twice to give them monetary rewards while hired peons were fighting the war. With tax rates almost as low as they've ever been in this country the Republicans still want them reduced more.

The good part....we've caught onto your selfish, greedy asses and you'll never win another presidential election and if something happens to curtail your gerrymandering maybe lose most of your congressional seats.

Yep and there was not a single Democrat to be found anywhere in DC at the time right??

dems lined right up and voted yes,then turned on their country for political expediency.
undermining the effort of the kids doing the fighting.

Willfully ignorant is so becoming.

 

[healthmyths]

The people who have come along lately and are screaming to high heaven about government spending and debt make my arse crave lime juice. Where were they when Bush cut taxes twice, started two wars, one totally by choice then doubled the national debt?

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

Bush had the business of war on his hands unfortunately, and not by his choosing as it never is for any President serving, where as these wars were (run overs by former administrations who came before him), and he also had the fall out from the Clinton error party economics on his hands also, that led to the resession at a time when we didn't need a resession on top of those wars being fought, but we got it anyway, and this beyond Bush being able to control the fall out from it all, so when he starts to do something in emergency thinking about it as he did, he gets chastised for it big time by the dems, but when Obama runs around justifying everything that he is doing because of the resession in which was a run over from a few or more past administrations before him, and that he inherited yes (blaming everything on them), somehow that is OK ? Oh and yes he is also still dealing in Afghanistan willfully after Bin Laden is dead (finishing the so called job there eh), and uh oh don't forget about Obama also helping Libiya free itself from a dictator, in which is something that the dem's and their minions keep screaming bloody murder over when he Bush did such in the world, so lets not forget about that and the so called Arab spring debacle supported by Obama, and the Mexican Gun Running operation Fast and Furious where it got Americans killed just like in Libiya now the same.

Bush wanted to help free two nations of their bad dictators or thugs after 9-11, and he also wanted to finish the job in Iraq and Afghanistan where these dictators or thugs were in power once (securing these areas again, and this for those people whom wanted also freedom apart from the dictators & thugs they were under), yet shockingly that was all dead wrong in the thinking by the dems, but yet it is A-Ok for Barack Obama to do these very same things ? All I smell is Hypocryts smothered in onions, and so yes it is what I smell these days with these dems ((PURE HYPOCRYTS/Hypocrisy).

Like most right wingers you just don't get it. During the second world war every able bodied man under the age of forty served and put it all on the line. After it was over tax rates on the wealthy were increased to 91% to pay off the debts.

Now the story is that a C student from Yale who used family influence to dodge the draft and stay away from Vietnam and even then didn't serve the last fourteen months of his obligation to the national guards initiates not one but two wars, one unnecessary and by choice and instead of asking his wealthy buddies to help pay for it cut taxes not once but twice to give them monetary rewards while hired peons were fighting the war. With tax rates almost as low as they've ever been in this country the Republicans still want them reduced more.

The good part....we've caught onto your selfish, greedy asses and you'll never win another presidential election and if something happens to curtail your gerrymandering maybe lose most of your congressional seats.

Why are you so f...king dumb to make wild Ass unsubstantiated statements like:
"after it was over rates increased to 91%" when ALL any semi-intelligent literate person needs to do to SHOW YOUR LIMP PHALLACIES (mispelled intentionally) is use the internet !

FACTS
The Individual Income Tax Act of 1944, Pub. L. No. 315, Ch. 210, 58 Stat. 231 (May 29, 1944), raised individual income tax rates in the United States[1] and repealed the 3% Victory Tax.[2]
The Act also amended section 22 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1939 to provide a definition for "adjusted gross income".[3]
It standardized the value of personal exemptions at $500 per person for those with adjusted gross income of $5,000 or more.[4]
The provisions of the Act were generally effective for tax years that began after December 31, 1943.[5]
THE WAR ENDED 1945! Individual Income Tax Act of 1944 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

History of income tax rates adjusted for inflation (1913-2010)[40]
YOUR great hero JFK Lowered the highest rates to 77% in 1961 BECAUSE THERE WAS A RECESSION going on dumb. f....K!

AGAIN THE FACTS!!
1960 Recession Starting in April 1960, the recession lasted 10 months. GDP was -1.9% (-2%) in Q2 and -5% (-5.1%) in Q4. Unemployment reached a peak of 7.1% in May 1961.
History of US Economic Recessions

And then you stupidly say "With tax rates almost as low as they've ever been "
History of income tax rates adjusted for inflation (1913-2010) Income tax in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1988 highest tax rate of 28%!!! IDIOT

But the dumbest comment.."initiates not one but two wars, one unnecessary"

Dumb fu...K EVER HEAR of the 1991 CEASE FIRE??? Of course someone as irresponsible as YOU that never gives a damn when signing agreements (Like Saddam who signed the Cease Fire because his armies were getting their butts kicked in 1991 Desert Storm) you idiots don't ever think of CONSEQUENCES!!
Clinton and THESE 32 quotes from Democrats show how f..king DUMB you are!!!

BEFORE BUSH ... When CLINTON was President...
"..deny Iraq the capacity to develop WMD".Bill Clinton,1998
"..most brutal dictators of Century", Biden,1998
"Iraq compliance with Resolution 687 becomes shell game"..Daschle 1998
"He will use those WMDs again,as he has ten times since 1983" ..Berger- Clinton National. Security. Advisor 1998
"posed by Iraq's refusal to end its WMD programs" Levin 1998
"Saddam has been engaged in development of WMDs which is a threat.."Pelosi 1998
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building WMDS.."Albright 1999

"Saddam to refine delivery systems, that will threaten the US..."Graham 2001
"Saddam has ignored the mandate of the UN and is building WMDs and the means to deliver.." Levin 2002
"Iraq's search for WMDs ...will continue as long as Saddam's in power"..Gore 2002
"Saddam retains stockpiles of WMDS.."Byrd 2002
"give President authority to use force..to disarm Saddam because an arsenal of WMDs.threat our security".Kerry 2002
"..Unmistakable evidence Saddam developing nuclear weapons next 5 years.."Rockefeller 2002
"Violated over 11 years every UN resolution demanding disarming WMDs.."Waxman 2002
"He's given aid,comfort & sanctuary to al Qaeda members..and keep developing WMDs"..Hillary 2002
"Compelling evidence Saddam has WMDs production storage capacity.." Graham 2002

WHERE in the above QUOTES BY DEMOCRATS do you see the same dumb f...k response like you did: "initiates not one but two wars, one unnecessary and by choice"

90% of the country approved of GWB after 9/11 but of course YOU were still crapping in your diapers/or depends!

 

[jillian]

Bush had the business of war on his hands unfortunately, and not by his choosing as it never is for any President serving, where as these wars were (run overs by former administrations who came before him), and he also had the fall out from the Clinton error party economics on his hands also, that led to the resession at a time when we didn't need a resession on top of those wars being fought, but we got it anyway, and this beyond Bush being able to control the fall out from it all, so when he starts to do something in emergency thinking about it as he did, he gets chastised for it big time by the dems, but when Obama runs around justifying everything that he is doing because of the resession in which was a run over from a few or more past administrations before him, and that he inherited yes (blaming everything on them), somehow that is OK ? Oh and yes he is also still dealing in Afghanistan willfully after Bin Laden is dead (finishing the so called job there eh), and uh oh don't forget about Obama also helping Libiya free itself from a dictator, in which is something that the dem's and their minions keep screaming bloody murder over when he Bush did such in the world, so lets not forget about that and the so called Arab spring debacle supported by Obama, and the Mexican Gun Running operation Fast and Furious where it got Americans killed just like in Libiya now the same.

Bush wanted to help free two nations of their bad dictators or thugs after 9-11, and he also wanted to finish the job in Iraq and Afghanistan where these dictators or thugs were in power once (securing these areas again, and this for those people whom wanted also freedom apart from the dictators & thugs they were under), yet shockingly that was all dead wrong in the thinking by the dems, but yet it is A-Ok for Barack Obama to do these very same things ? All I smell is Hypocryts smothered in onions, and so yes it is what I smell these days with these dems ((PURE HYPOCRYTS/Hypocrisy).

Like most right wingers you just don't get it. During the second world war every able bodied man under the age of forty served and put it all on the line. After it was over tax rates on the wealthy were increased to 91% to pay off the debts.

Now the story is that a C student from Yale who used family influence to dodge the draft and stay away from Vietnam and even then didn't serve the last fourteen months of his obligation to the national guards initiates not one but two wars, one unnecessary and by choice and instead of asking his wealthy buddies to help pay for it cut taxes not once but twice to give them monetary rewards while hired peons were fighting the war. With tax rates almost as low as they've ever been in this country the Republicans still want them reduced more.

The good part....we've caught onto your selfish, greedy asses and you'll never win another presidential election and if something happens to curtail your gerrymandering maybe lose most of your congressional seats.

Why are you so f...king dumb to make wild Ass unsubstantiated statements like:
"after it was over rates increased to 91%" when ALL any semi-intelligent literate person needs to do to SHOW YOUR LIMP PHALLACIES (mispelled intentionally) is use the internet !

FACTS
The Individual Income Tax Act of 1944, Pub. L. No. 315, Ch. 210, 58 Stat. 231 (May 29, 1944), raised individual income tax rates in the United States[1] and repealed the 3% Victory Tax.[2]
The Act also amended section 22 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1939 to provide a definition for "adjusted gross income".[3]
It standardized the value of personal exemptions at $500 per person for those with adjusted gross income of $5,000 or more.[4]
The provisions of the Act were generally effective for tax years that began after December 31, 1943.[5]
THE WAR ENDED 1945! Individual Income Tax Act of 1944 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

History of income tax rates adjusted for inflation (1913-2010)[40]
YOUR great hero JFK Lowered the highest rates to 77% in 1961 BECAUSE THEIR WAS A RECESSION going on dumb. f....K!

AGAIN THE FACTS!!
1960 Recession Starting in April 1960, the recession lasted 10 months. GDP was -1.9% (-2%) in Q2 and -5% (-5.1%) in Q4. Unemployment reached a peak of 7.1% in May 1961.
History of US Economic Recessions

And then you stupidly say "With tax rates almost as low as they've ever been "
History of income tax rates adjusted for inflation (1913-2010) Income tax in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1988 highest tax rate of 28%!!! IDIOT

But the dumbest comment.."initiates not one but two wars, one unnecessary"

Dumb fu...K EVER HEAR of the 1991 CEASE FIRE??? Of course someone as irresponsible as YOU that never gives a damn when signing agreements (Like Saddam who signed the Cease Fire because his armies were getting their butts kicked in 1991 Desert Storm) you idiots don't ever think of CONSEQUENCES!!
Clinton and THESE 32 quotes from Democrats show how f..king DUMB you are!!!

BEFORE BUSH ... When CLINTON was President...
"..deny Iraq the capacity to develop WMD".Bill Clinton,1998
"..most brutal dictators of Century", Biden,1998
"Iraq compliance with Resolution 687 becomes shell game"..Daschle 1998
"He will use those WMDs again,as he has ten times since 1983" ..Berger- Clinton National. Security. Advisor 1998
"posed by Iraq's refusal to end its WMD programs" Levin 1998
"Saddam has been engaged in development of WMDs which is a threat.."Pelosi 1998
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building WMDS.."Albright 1999

"Saddam to refine delivery systems, that will threaten the US..."Graham 2001
"Saddam has ignored the mandate of the UN and is building WMDs and the means to deliver.." Levin 2002
"Iraq's search for WMDs ...will continue as long as Saddam's in power"..Gore 2002
"Saddam retains stockpiles of WMDS.."Byrd 2002
"give President authority to use force..to disarm Saddam because an arsenal of WMDs.threat our security".Kerry 2002
"..Unmistakable evidence Saddam developing nuclear weapons next 5 years.."Rockefeller 2002
"Violated over 11 years every UN resolution demanding disarming WMDs.."Waxman 2002
"He's given aid,comfort & sanctuary to al Qaeda members..and keep developing WMDs"..Hillary 2002
"Compelling evidence Saddam has WMDs production storage capacity.." Graham 2002

WHERE in the above QUOTES BY DEMOCRATS do you see the same dumb f...k response like you did: "initiates not one but two wars, one unnecessary and by choice"

90% of the country approved of GWB after 9/11 but of course YOU were still crapping in your diapers/or depends!

you've got an awfully big mouth for someone who wasn't anywhere near ground zero. but then again, you're a lying shill anyway.

p.s. yes, after 9.11, the country rallied behind bush (unlike you rightwingnut freaks with this president, despite the fact that there wasn't a thing we agreed with him about).

and then he lied....

and started two unnecessary wars...

while cutting taxes for his buddies so those wars had to be run on china's credit card...

and appointed incompetent cronies to key positions like FEMA...

and helped crash the economy

 

[zeke]

Hey healthmiths. Guess what? You know how you fuking asshole rehtugs don't care what Bush did to the economy? You know how you blame all the debt on Obama?

Guess what again. NO one (but your kind) give a flying fuk what a democratic anything said about saddam. GEORGE BUSH WAS THE PRESIDENT WHEN HE TOOK US TO WAR. Not Clinton. Gore or any other Dem you want to name.

Did I yell that loud enough? It is George Bush's Iraqi war. Period. He did the lying, the selling and made the decision. End of story.

WTF is wrong with you people (rethugs) that you can't accept responsibility for your actions?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

I made a little the first few bowl games, got cocky and multiplied my bets on the nest few, lost my ass and had some luck yesterday in 2 games. Take a look at the markets today. SOME UNCERTAINTY is over and themarket was up over 300 pts most all day.
But that will end soon. Opening year rallies are common.
For us investors Obama is a loser and a bad one at that.
Great politician. Negro Huey Long.

Huey Long, who ruined the state of Louisiana by paving roads and getting books for school children.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

1) Recession starting under Clinton official started 3/2001...

Clinton wasn't President in 3/2001 you FUCKING MORON.

AND YOU idiot! Do you think that someone somewhere switches ON/OFF the economy?

Do you think the recession started under Clinton and that it started 3/2001?

1) Recession starting under Clinton official started 3/2001...

Why yes, yes you do.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

With a 1.6 trillion deficit this year and 46 cents of every dollar spent we have to borrow any lower middle class to middle class to upper middle class citizen that does not believe his tax rate will double in his life time is a DUMB ASS.

Most people's tax rates will double in their lifetimes of course. Most will more than double. An 18 year old who doesn't make more than the standard deductible will pay 0%. If he later pays any taxes at all his rate has more than doubled.

No they will not.

Yes they will

Most go down when they retire.

Nothing I said contradicts that.

An 18 year old has NO tax rate. He pays NO taxes.

Usually. That's exactly what I said.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Most people's tax rates will double in their lifetimes of course. Most will more than double. An 18 year old who doesn't make more than the standard deductible will pay 0%. If he later pays any taxes at all his rate has more than doubled.

No they will not. Most go down when they retire.
But not under this regime.
Within 30 years we will be a 3rd world nation because of spending too much on unproductive "citizens".
An 18 year old has NO tax rate. He pays NO taxes.

I paid taxes when I was 18; I worked my way through school.

OK. Would you like some sort of congratulations? What are you looking for?