Thanks Obamacare!

[Cuyo]

Gawd I am glad that most of America is not as smart as you. We would really be fucked.

You're an idiot - There's really not much else to say.

No really I am thankful Most Americans are not as smart as you. I am glad most have common sense and can see through your type of obama hype. Thank God for people with common sense the smart people would destroy us if we allowed them the chance.

Then surely you can show something wrong with what I've said.

Oh, wait, you can't.

 

[Greenbeard]

You're Double talking again a REGULATION is what she said and thats what it is A regulation is the dictates of what the federal government wants.

And what they want is for the states to stay at the wheel.

And this portion of the letter
In other words you will do it our way or we will put you out of busniess.

We will also keep track of insurers with a record of unjustified rate increases: those plans may be excluded from health insurance Exchanges in 2014

Exclusion decisions will be made by the state exchange itself. The law ensures that unjustified premium increases are a valid criteria for exclusion by the exchange and that state rate reviewers may weigh in (to their state's exchange) on whether an insurer has a history of unjustified rate increases, as defined by state legislation. Notice, again, the level of government with operational responsibility and authority.

Things aren't changing quite as much as you seem to believe.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You're an idiot - There's really not much else to say.

No really I am thankful Most Americans are not as smart as you. I am glad most have common sense and can see through your type of obama hype. Thank God for people with common sense the smart people would destroy us if we allowed them the chance.

Then surely you can show something wrong with what I've said.

Oh, wait, you can't.

Witrhout obamacare we would not have this directive. no wait you're to stupid to grasp that. I'll slow down if you do not understand.

 

[Trajan]

No, dingus, you're wrong. 'Obamacare' has nothing to do with WHO PAYS the premium. Yes, the HCR made it possible for people to carry their children on their policy for longer (if they CHOOSE TO, that is),

q Cuyo- why was this stipulation created to begin with?

Because mom &or dad are more likely to belong to a group rate, whereas Jr. might not have access to one, and it's an economy of scale, best I can figure.

alright so why 26? why not 30...36?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You're Double talking again a REGULATION is what she said and thats what it is A regulation is the dictates of what the federal government wants.

And what they want is for the states to stay at the wheel.

And this portion of the letter
In other words you will do it our way or we will put you out of busniess.

We will also keep track of insurers with a record of unjustified rate increases: those plans may be excluded from health insurance Exchanges in 2014

Exclusion decisions will be made by the state exchange itself. The law ensures that unjustified premium increases are a valid criteria for exclusion by the exchange and that state rate reviewers may weigh in (to their state's exchange) on whether an insurer has a history of unjustified rate increases, as defined by state legislation. Notice, again, the level of government with operational responsibility and authority.

Things aren't changing quite as much as you seem to believe.

And what they want is for the states to stay at the wheel.

IT'S A FUCKING GOVERNMENT MANDATE. The federal government is telling the states what to do.

 

[Cuyo]

No really I am thankful Most Americans are not as smart as you. I am glad most have common sense and can see through your type of obama hype. Thank God for people with common sense the smart people would destroy us if we allowed them the chance.

Then surely you can show something wrong with what I've said.

Oh, wait, you can't.

Witrhout obamacare we would not have this directive. no wait you're to stupid to grasp that. I'll slow down if you do not understand.

Hows that any different from Jr. having his own policy and mom and dad PAYING for it? Again, whether they're on a private policy or their parents' is irrelevant.

Ahh the little hamster wheel in BigRedNecks head stops and a light flickers on...

Now you can apologize.

 

[Cuyo]

q Cuyo- why was this stipulation created to begin with?

Because mom &or dad are more likely to belong to a group rate, whereas Jr. might not have access to one, and it's an economy of scale, best I can figure.

alright so why 26? why not 30...36?

Why not a public option? Why not a national group-rate-for-all? The answer - The ONLY answer - is protectionism of insurance company profits.

I'm not thrilled with HCR as I've stated repeatedly. But overall I prefer it passed than un-passed. Stalling by HCR opponents until they are back in power so they can sweep it into discretion would be unacceptable. At least now we've got a law on the books that nobody's thrilled with, so we can go about the business of making it better.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Then surely you can show something wrong with what I've said.

Oh, wait, you can't.

Witrhout obamacare we would not have this directive. no wait you're to stupid to grasp that. I'll slow down if you do not understand.

Hows that any different from Jr. having his own policy and mom and dad PAYING for it? Again, whether they're on a private policy or their parents' is irrelevant.

Ahh the little hamster wheel in BigRedNecks head stops and a light flickers on...

Now you can apologize.

Junior if it wasn't for obamacare we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

 

[Cuyo]

Witrhout obamacare we would not have this directive. no wait you're to stupid to grasp that. I'll slow down if you do not understand.

Hows that any different from Jr. having his own policy and mom and dad PAYING for it? Again, whether they're on a private policy or their parents' is irrelevant.

Ahh the little hamster wheel in BigRedNecks head stops and a light flickers on...

Now you can apologize.

Junior if it wasn't for obamacare we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

Point made. The mooching off mom and dad argument is irrelevant, UTTERLY irrelevant, to Obamacare.

Apology accepted.

 

[Trajan]

Because mom &or dad are more likely to belong to a group rate, whereas Jr. might not have access to one, and it's an economy of scale, best I can figure.

alright so why 26? why not 30...36?

Why not a public option? Why not a national group-rate-for-all?

The answer - The ONLY answer - is protectionism of insurance company profits.

I'm not thrilled with HCR as I've stated repeatedly. But overall I prefer it passed than un-passed. Stalling by HCR opponents until they are back in power so they can sweep it into discretion would be unacceptable. At least now we've got a law on the books that nobody's thrilled with, so we can go about the business of making it better.

well, I don't think that the only answer because I personally believe that insurance co's as we know them in health care are dinosaurs.

And that the mechanisms of payment or middleman being taken from their hands will EVENTUALLY create more issues than it will solve and more than the 10% profit they take away from what ostensibly could/ would be used for access and care.

This plan has failed completely and absolutely to conform to its original intent- bend the cost curve of medical care.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Hows that any different from Jr. having his own policy and mom and dad PAYING for it? Again, whether they're on a private policy or their parents' is irrelevant.

Ahh the little hamster wheel in BigRedNecks head stops and a light flickers on...

Now you can apologize.

Junior if it wasn't for obamacare we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

Point made. The mooching off mom and dad argument is irrelevant, UTTERLY irrelevant, to Obamacare.

Apology accepted.

I said nothing to apologize for but thank you for apologizing

 

[DaveakaDavid]

Well the New Year is here and I am now able to put my 23 yr old son back on my health insurance plan. Saves us $1800 a year in premiums

Those with pre-existing conditions and who are over their lifetime cap must be happy too

I don't know anyone that's happy with it, most people I know are paying thousands more per year. My son can't afford the high price of Obamacare so he has to pay a $900 a year penalty for not having health insurance.

 

[Slashsnake]

Well the New Year is here and I am now able to put my 23 yr old son back on my health insurance plan. Saves us $1800 a year in premiums

Those with pre-existing conditions and who are over their lifetime cap must be happy too

I don't know anyone that's happy with it, most people I know are paying thousands more per year. My son can't afford the high price of Obamacare so he has to pay a $900 a year penalty for not having health insurance.

A lot of people don't understand what you're saying because they're moochers who get huge breaks from the people subsidizing them with their high premiums.

 

[Slashsnake]

Well the New Year is here and I am now able to put my 23 yr old son back on my health insurance plan. Saves us $1800 a year in premiums

Those with pre-existing conditions and who are over their lifetime cap must be happy too

What do you mean by "us." Tell your 23 year old son to pay his own bills.

 

[DaveakaDavid]

Well the New Year is here and I am now able to put my 23 yr old son back on my health insurance plan. Saves us $1800 a year in premiums

Those with pre-existing conditions and who are over their lifetime cap must be happy too

I don't know anyone that's happy with it, most people I know are paying thousands more per year. My son can't afford the high price of Obamacare so he has to pay a $900 a year penalty for not having health insurance.

A lot of people don't understand what you're saying because they're moochers who get huge breaks from the people subsidizing them with their high premiums.

Yes, they think the money to provide that healthcare magically appears. Other people are paying for their kids insurance, socialism!