Thanks Be to Al Gore...Planet is Cooling!

[indago]

RetiredGySgt wrote:
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Because a MAJORITY of scientists do NOT in fact agree to your claim. We had this little fight a few months back and the end result was maybe 40 percent could be counted if you assumed a lot of stuff, as supporting man made Global warming. And a Majority do not agree that it is STILL warming.
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Yes, and we had this chart to go by also...

We better keep the "greenhouse gases". I'm not looking forward to another "ice age" a thousand years from now...



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[Chris]

Because a MAJORITY of scientists do NOT in fact agree to your claim. We had this little fight a few months back and the end result was maybe 40 percent could be counted if you assumed a lot of stuff, as supporting man made Global warming. And a Majority do not agree that it is STILL warming.

But hey nice try.

Now do like Kirk and claim because some science board or Academy said it that means EVERY scientist in that Country believes it.

IPCC is not alone in its conclusions. In recent years, all major scientific bodies in the United States whose members' expertise bears directly on the matter have issued similar statements. For example, the National Academy of Sciences report, Climate Change Science: An Analysis of Some Key Questions, begins: "Greenhouse gases are accumulating in Earth's atmosphere as a result of human activities, causing surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures to rise" [p. 1 in (5)]. The report explicitly asks whether the IPCC assessment is a fair summary of professional scientific thinking, and answers yes: "The IPCC's conclusion that most of the observed warming of the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations accurately reflects the current thinking of the scientific community on this issue" [p. 3 in (5)].

Others agree. The American Meteorological Society (6), the American Geophysical Union (7), and the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) all have issued statements in recent years concluding that the evidence for human modification of climate is compelling (8).

The drafting of such reports and statements involves many opportunities for comment, criticism, and revision, and it is not likely that they would diverge greatly from the opinions of the societies' members. Nevertheless, they might downplay legitimate dissenting opinions. That hypothesis was tested by analyzing 928 abstracts, published in refereed scientific journals between 1993 and 2003, and listed in the ISI database with the keywords "climate change" (9).

The 928 papers were divided into six categories: explicit endorsement of the consensus position, evaluation of impacts, mitigation proposals, methods, paleoclimate analysis, and rejection of the consensus position. Of all the papers, 75% fell into the first three categories, either explicitly or implicitly accepting the consensus view; 25% dealt with methods or paleoclimate, taking no position on current anthropogenic climate change. Remarkably, none of the papers disagreed with the consensus position.

Admittedly, authors evaluating impacts, developing methods, or studying paleoclimatic change might believe that current climate change is natural. However, none of these papers argued that point.

This analysis shows that scientists publishing in the peer-reviewed literature agree with IPCC, the National Academy of Sciences, and the public statements of their professional societies. Politicians, economists, journalists, and others may have the impression of confusion, disagreement, or discord among climate scientists, but that impression is incorrect.

The scientific consensus might, of course, be wrong. If the history of science teaches anything, it is humility, and no one can be faulted for failing to act on what is not known. But our grandchildren will surely blame us if they find that we understood the reality of anthropogenic climate change and failed to do anything about it.



BEYOND THE IVORY TOWER: The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change -- Oreskes 306 (5702): 1686 -- Science

 

[indago]

Journalist Thomas L. Friedman wrote for the New York Times 3 August 2008:
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Jorgen Peder Steffensen made me an offer I couldn't refuse: "If you come to Copenhagen, I will show you a Christmas snow — a real Christmas snow, the snow that fell between 1 B.C. and 1 A.D."

Now that's an offer you don't get every day! But then I don't go to the Arctic Circle every day. "I can also show you a sample of the very last snow that fell right at the end of the last ice age, which was 11,700 years ago," said Steffensen. Or, he asked me, "How would you like to see the air samples that contain the sulfuric traces of the Mount Vesuvius volcanic eruption" that buried Pompeii in A.D. 79?

Steffensen is an ice specialist and curator of the world's most comprehensive collection of ice core samples, a kind of atmospheric DNA drilled out of the glaciers of Greenland and now preserved in refrigerated vaults in the Danish capital. The more and deeper scientists can drill the ice, the better the picture they can give of the climate in previous eras — and therefore the more we will understand about climate change.

Each layer of ice contains water and air bubbles that were trapped in the snow, which, when analyzed by expert scientists, reveal in great detail the temperature, the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, the amount and origins of volcanic dust, and even the amount of sea salt in the air and therefore how close the glacier was to the ocean.

Imagine for a moment a freezer filled with such revealing ice cubes. Each ice cube represents one year's atmospheric data beginning 150,000 years ago, which is how far back the current Greenland icecap dates. Well, Steffensen, his wife, Dorthe Dahl-Jensen, both of the Centre for Ice and Climate at the Niels Bohr Institute of the University of Copenhagen, and a team of international experts are assembling precisely that kind of freezer from ice cores drilled here in the far north of Greenland in the Arctic Circle.

I traveled to their newest camp with a group of experts led by Denmark's minister of climate and energy, Connie Hedegaard, and including Rajendra Pachauri, the chairman of the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which shared last year's Nobel Peace Prize with Al Gore. We flew in on a U.S. Air Force National Guard C-130, which landed on skis — not wheels — since the landing strip was just a plowed strip of ice and snow.

This is surely one of the most remarkable and isolated research stations in the world. Everywhere you look, you see a perfectly flat expanse of snow and ice stretching to the horizon. In fact, you can see so far in every direction that it feels as though you can see the curvature of the earth. The camp consists of a heated geodesic dome where the scientists eat, a dozen barely heated tents where they (and guests) sleep in insulated sleeping bags and an underground research laboratory, carved out of the ice, where they are installing the drill and ice lab equipment. Over the next three "summers," they will unearth ice core samples all the way down to Greenland's bedrock — roughly 1.5 miles, or the equivalent of 150,000 years of accumulated ice layers.

Their objective is to do something never done before: project a complete picture of the Greenland climate, from the ice age that lasted from 200,000 to 130,000 years ago, through the warming period known as the Eemian that lasted from 130,000 to 115,000 years ago, through the last ice age from 115,000 to 11,703 years ago, right up to the present warming period we've been in since. (Remember: the Earth is usually an ice ball; the warm interglacial periods are the exceptions.)

Their last drilling project here, which was completed in 2004, focused on the layers 14,500 to 11,000 years ago. That project is already causing a stir in the climate community. In an article just published in the journal Science Express, Dahl-Jensen's team wrote about how it had discovered from the ice cores that the atmospheric circulation in the Northern Hemisphere over Greenland "changed abruptly" just as the last ice age ended around 11,700 years ago.

It seems to have been driven by a sudden change in monsoons in the tropics. The change was so abrupt that it warmed the Northern Hemisphere over Greenland by 10 degrees Celsius in just 50 years — a dramatic increase.

"It shows that our climate system has the ability to make very abrupt changes all by itself," said Dahl-Jensen.

Some climate-change deniers would say that this proves that mankind is not important in changing the climate. Climate change experts, like Dahl-Jensen, say it's not so simple: The climate is always changing, sometimes very abruptly, so the last thing that mankind should be doing is adding its own forcing actions — like pumping unprecedented amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. Because you never know — you never know — what will tip the balance and send us hurdling into another abrupt change ... and into another era.
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[Gunny]

The Southern Oscillation and the solar cycle have significant effects on year-to-year global temperature change. Because both of these natural effects were in their cool phases in 2007, the unusual warmth of 2007 is all the more notable. It is apparent that there is no letup in the steep global warming trend of the past 30 years (see 5-year mean curve in Figure 1a).

"Global warming stopped in 1998," has become a recent mantra of those who wish to deny the reality of human-caused global warming. The continued rapid increase of the five-year running mean temperature exposes this assertion as nonsense. In reality, global temperature jumped two standard deviations above the trend line in 1998 because the "El Niño of the century" coincided with the calendar year, but there has been no lessening of the underlying warming trend.

Data @ NASA GISS: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis: 2007 Summation

Sure thing. Now provide some evidence that global warming is caused by humans. And don't bother with some crap theory supported by bots who get paid to pass that theory as fact. I mean some real, hard evidence.

Oh that's right ... there isn't any. Too bad for you and your delusional argument, huh?

 

[Zoomie1980]

I think I'll wait to see scientific data from an unbiased source before I take the word of Assemblyman Michael Doherty(R) who doesn't cite any particular source to back up his claim.

I believe the melting ice cap is more of an indication of rising temperatures than what sun spot activity will be doing over the next 20 years.

No the melting ice cap has more to do with effects of Arctic volcanic activity and Russian pollution settling out as soot on the cap, darkening it and causing it to absorb more solar energy, thus quickening it's melting.

 

[Zoomie1980]

The Southern Oscillation and the solar cycle have significant effects on year-to-year global temperature change. Because both of these natural effects were in their cool phases in 2007, the unusual warmth of 2007 is all the more notable. It is apparent that there is no letup in the steep global warming trend of the past 30 years (see 5-year mean curve in Figure 1a).

"Global warming stopped in 1998," has become a recent mantra of those who wish to deny the reality of human-caused global warming. The continued rapid increase of the five-year running mean temperature exposes this assertion as nonsense. In reality, global temperature jumped two standard deviations above the trend line in 1998 because the "El Niño of the century" coincided with the calendar year, but there has been no lessening of the underlying warming trend.

Data @ NASA GISS: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis: 2007 Summation

If the coldest winter in the North America since 1977-1978 and the coldest winter in east Asia since 1966, the Snowiest winter in the Northern Hemisphere since 1966 is "unusual warmth" I'd like to see a normal year. The upper Midwest this was the seventh COLDEST year in recorded history.

It took 100 years for average glocal temps to warm .7 deg. .63 have been lost in only TWO YEARS, thus WIPING OUT 100 years of warming in only TWO.

Try again, loon.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

RetiredGySgt wrote:
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Because a MAJORITY of scientists do NOT in fact agree to your claim. We had this little fight a few months back and the end result was maybe 40 percent could be counted if you assumed a lot of stuff, as supporting man made Global warming. And a Majority do not agree that it is STILL warming.
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Yes, and we had this chart to go by also...

We better keep the "greenhouse gases". I'm not looking forward to another "ice age" a thousand years from now...



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Look at the chart. It shows we are in a decline in temperature just like I said.

Further look at the pattern. It is clear as a bell, the pattern is cyclic and pretty damn consistant.

 

[Chris]

Sure thing. Now provide some evidence that global warming is caused by humans. And don't bother with some crap theory supported by bots who get paid to pass that theory as fact. I mean some real, hard evidence.

Oh that's right ... there isn't any. Too bad for you and your delusional argument, huh?

CO2 warms the earth. No one disputes that. We have increased the level of CO2 in the atmosphere by 39% in the last 200 years. Therefore, we have warmed the earth.

The level of CO2 increase is accelerating. 8 billion metric tons a year and climbing. If you read the link provided the NASA scientists, whose job it is to study climate, provide the hard evidence. You cannot accept it.

 

[dilloduck]

CO2 warms the earth. No one disputes that. We have increased the level of CO2 in the atmosphere by 39% in the last 200 years. Therefore, we have warmed the earth.

The level of CO2 increase is accelerating. 8 billion metric tons a year and climbing. If you read the link provided the NASA scientists, whose job it is to study climate, provide the hard evidence. You cannot accept it.

Who cares ?

 

[Chris]

Look at the chart. It shows we are in a decline in temperature just like I said.

Further look at the pattern. It is clear as a bell, the pattern is cyclic and pretty damn consistant.

Wow, a chart with no link.

Impressive....

 

[Red Dawn]

Look at the chart. It shows we are in a decline in temperature just like I said.

Further look at the pattern. It is clear as a bell, the pattern is cyclic and pretty damn consistant.

Look, you probably don't have any science background, and the last exposure you had to science was cutting a frog open in tenth grade biology class.

The chart your citing is completely useless for shorter term climate fluctuations. The scale on the chart must be 5,000 years to every millimeter. It's impossible to analyze short term flucuations on that chart

This is from the NASA website



Frankly, your opinion doesn't matter. You can play armchair scientist all you want, but you aren't a scientist, and I doubt you have any formal education in science.

All the leaders of the world, including McCain, Bush, and Obama recognize that climate change is real, and is being accelerated by human activities. The vast, overwhelming majority of actual research climate scientists have concluded the same thing.

You can remain a member of the flat earth society. Frankly, it doesn't matter. Science, the world, and the Leaders of the world have moved way past you.

 

[dilloduck]

Look, you probably don't have any science background, and the last exposure you had to science was cutting a frog open in tenth grade biology class.

The chart your citing is completely useless for shorter term climate fluctuations. The scale on the chart must be 5,000 years to every millimeter. It's impossible to analyze short term flucuations on that chart

This is from the NASA website



Frankly, your opinion doesn't matter. You can play armchair scientist all you want, but you aren't a scientist, and I doubt you have any formal education in science.

All the leaders of the world, including McCain, Bush, and Obama recognize that climate change is real, and is being accelerated by human activities. The vast, overwhelming majority of actual research climate scientists have concluded the same thing.

You can remain a member of the flat earth society. Frankly, it doesn't matter. Science, the world, and the Leaders of the world have moved way past you.

Well great---get them to do something about it. Exactly what is it that you want me to do about it anyway? Pay Al Gore for mowing my lawn ???

 

[indago]

Christopher Monckton wrote for Greeley Tribune 3 April 2008:
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Climate alarmists are alarmed, scaremongers scared, for their predictions of catastrophe are not coming true. "Global warming" has stopped. For 10 years, average temperatures on earth have not risen. For seven years, the trend has been downward. The fall between January 2007 and January 2008 was the biggest since records began in 1880.

Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the UN's climate panel, says it had better find out where it got its sums wrong. Lord Lawson, a former UK Treasury Secretary, says the panel should be scrapped.

Polls reveal that voters worldwide, bored with wolf-crying scientists, see "global warming" as just another pretext for more tax, regulation and empire-building. So the tiny clique of politicized scientists driving the scare are desperate to revive fear of doom. Otherwise, the multibillion-dollar climate-change industry is headed straight down the pan.

A favorite tactic is to blame any passing extreme-weather event on "global warming." This just in: "A 5,282-square-mile ice shelf has begun to collapse because of rapid climate change in the Antarctic Peninsula. The Wilkins is one of a string of ice shelves that have collapsed in the past 30 years. Larsen B disappeared in one month in 2002. Six similar collapses underscore the region's unprecedented warming."

Blood-curdling, but false. The Wilkins Ice Shelf, like its vanished neighbors, was not there in the medieval warm period, or in the 2,000-year-long Holocene Climate Optimum, when global temperatures were above today's.

Ted Scambos of the National Snow and Ice Data Center, who first spotted the disintegration in March, says the Wilkins has been in place for a few centuries. So it was not there before.

The Antarctic Peninsula represents just 2 percent of the continent, and still less of its ice mass. The vanished ice shelves covered a combined area just 1/55 the size of Texas. Massive chunks break away from Antarctica all the time, to re-grow in colder times. Whalers' logs going back centuries report sightings of vast icebergs hundreds of miles long.

Since regular temperature records were first kept 50 years ago, most of the continent has been cooling. The Antarctic peninsula is an exception. Local undersea volcanic activity may be partly to blame.

Another factor is the warming effect of the recently ended 70-year Solar Grand Maximum, when the sun was more active, and for longer, than at almost any similar period in the past 11,400 years. Long-term ocean changes have also contributed.

In the Arctic, the media reported less summer sea ice than at any time since records began. Most did not report that records began only 30 years ago; that at both Poles there is more sea ice now than ever since records began; that there are five times more polar bears today than 50 years ago; that the Arctic was warmer in the 1940s than today; or that the average thickness of the vast Greenland ice sheet grew by 2 inches yearly from 1993-2003.

Even the UN's climate panel says melting ice will not raise sea level by Al Gore's imagined 20 feet for several millennia, largely through natural causes.

Back in the Antarctic, winter has come, so ice-shelf disintegration has stopped. Even if Wilkins collapses altogether, melting ice shelves add not a millimeter to sea level: the ice is already floating. Niklas Moerner, who has spent his entire 30-year career studying sea level, says sea level will rise this century by little more than the 8 inches observed in the 20th century. Just 3 inches of that rise will come from ice-melt. "Global warming" profiteers had better start looking for another job -- or another scare.

Christopher Monckton was policy adviser to Margaret Thatcher as UK Prime Minister and has lectured on climate at university physics departments and at corporate meetings.
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[Chris]

The Southern Oscillation and the solar cycle have significant effects on year-to-year global temperature change. Because both of these natural effects were in their cool phases in 2007, the unusual warmth of 2007 is all the more notable. It is apparent that there is no letup in the steep global warming trend of the past 30 years (see 5-year mean curve in Figure 1a).

"Global warming stopped in 1998," has become a recent mantra of those who wish to deny the reality of human-caused global warming. The continued rapid increase of the five-year running mean temperature exposes this assertion as nonsense. In reality, global temperature jumped two standard deviations above the trend line in 1998 because the "El Niño of the century" coincided with the calendar year, but there has been no lessening of the underlying warming trend.

Data @ NASA GISS: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis: 2007 Summation

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

The sequell will be out shortly: Inconvenient Truth 2 -- The Cooling Earth

I believe that is more likely than you might think.

When I was in Middle School we were indoctrinated to believe that science had proven that the earth was cooling and that by 2000 most of North America and Europe would be covered in permanent
Ice.

Of course it was the fossil fuels and industry causing it.

Of course we know today that it was the socialism causing it!